This is an honest question, I don't know what kind of testing takes place. Is it pretty much up to the school to enforce it? Are there random NCAA drug tests? It seems like this should be a problem in college football, much like in minor league baseball, because college football is basically the minor leagues of the NFL, where guys either make it or don't. Yet I can't recall ever hearing much about steroids and college FB. Does this stuff go on?
What prevents college athletes from taking steroids?
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you're right. You never hear a thing about steriods in college football. Let's say that the NCAA did test for weed (they do) and for other drugs .... when you hear the word "Red Week" from coaches or training staff (or more likely a GA) a smart kid would lay down the pipe. And you can cycle outta the juice if you know what you're doing. And by the way, who would know more about that kind of thing but a .....uhhhh...ahhhhmmmm Strength Coach or Position Coach a well informed student athlete.
However, I find it most interesting that the HUGE leap in size comes from NCAA College ball to the NFL. Do it or go home (beaten out by someone who does it.)
(Proviso: Sheer personal opnion) There is **** out there that we don't even have a whiff of...and we are just on the cusp of some genetic manipulation that will rock sports as we know it. If you can afford it, you can get it (hmm, most individuals can't come up with the cash, only a well financed major source of cash generation could put something like that together.) I like to compare it to CIA or military development, we get to hear about stuff that is provable and testable only after 15 to 20 years after they are developed. College is cleaner because of finances...they will test for what they know and most universities will not invest in a systematic "weight gain" program because of cash outlay and liability. All bets are off after individuals get to the NFL and want to get or protect a Million(s) dollars contract.
However, I find it most interesting that the HUGE leap in size comes from NCAA College ball to the NFL. Do it or go home (beaten out by someone who does it.)
(Proviso: Sheer personal opnion) There is **** out there that we don't even have a whiff of...and we are just on the cusp of some genetic manipulation that will rock sports as we know it. If you can afford it, you can get it (hmm, most individuals can't come up with the cash, only a well financed major source of cash generation could put something like that together.) I like to compare it to CIA or military development, we get to hear about stuff that is provable and testable only after 15 to 20 years after they are developed. College is cleaner because of finances...they will test for what they know and most universities will not invest in a systematic "weight gain" program because of cash outlay and liability. All bets are off after individuals get to the NFL and want to get or protect a Million(s) dollars contract.
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It's mandated, but I think the way it works is that it's only random guys on the team that are actually tested. The way it worked at a smaller school I was at a while back was that everyone had to go in and pee in a cup, but that only certain samples were actually tested (supposedly at random.) This was due to the costs at the time of testing that many samples.
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but don't you think that some of that huge weight gain is in part because once these guys finally make it to the NFL, they don't have to worry about their sociology class and study hall, and therefore have more time to work out, and at that point they can afford their own personal trainer that can work individually with them?
I'm not saying that steroids aren't a part of NCAA football or the NFL and that the players are totally innocent, but there are probably some other factors besides performance ehancing drugs.
I'm not saying that steroids aren't a part of NCAA football or the NFL and that the players are totally innocent, but there are probably some other factors besides performance ehancing drugs.
to a point. How can an athlete or trainer attest for more than 5 or 10lbs of weight gain and proportional strength gains from end of senior season to training camp?? Hard work and dedication...you are right, they have more time and do not have to worry about class or other required time diversions.
But if you honestly believe that every athlete going into the NFL is that dedicated to quality personal speed and size developent, I could agree with you. Unfortunately, the stark gain in size and strength dictate a much deeper examination that what is given today. It's a well know secret. The athletes know, the agents know, the personal trainers know (paid on production) and MOST of all the NFL knows. The players' union is very strong. Its a win situation for all involved,
But if you honestly believe that every athlete going into the NFL is that dedicated to quality personal speed and size developent, I could agree with you. Unfortunately, the stark gain in size and strength dictate a much deeper examination that what is given today. It's a well know secret. The athletes know, the agents know, the personal trainers know (paid on production) and MOST of all the NFL knows. The players' union is very strong. Its a win situation for all involved,
black helicopters aside, you don't think it's a widespread problem in college? I find the financial reason a little hard to believe.. juice isn't that expensive, for the multi-million-dollar athletic budgets found today. And it's not like the "college" is investing in it, the money would come from the same place that the money that pays athletes comes from. I had heard before that they do testing, but it's pretty much a joke. I don't really see "morals" as a good reason why it wouldn't go on, because there are plenty of college coaches out there who would do whatever it takes to win. So either it goes on, or there's another good reason why it doesn't. Anybody got any (D-1, Coach) experience with this?
In our first team meeting, we were given a booklet of the "rules and regulations" of the NCAA. After that, everyone got their physical and continued onto the field to do their 40 time, vertical, etc. No one got drug tested and I knew of plenty guys that were juicing. Surely a linebacker at a lowly D-III school that could bench 315 lbs 14 times wasn't on something right? I guarantee it still goes on at all levels of college sports because there are so many ways of passing the tests these days. There are pills, shampoos, mechanisms, etc that one can use and pass a drug test with flying colors.</p>
using steroids they shouldn't give them 48 hour notice even if they are selected for a random test, which is what I think they do. The athlete can flush that stuff or at least dilute the urine enough with water to give a bad sample. Then if that comes back as a bad sample it might be a week before they are required to give another. By that time the tests aren't going to pick it up anyway.
If someone is doing it then they are idiots to get caught and even more of a moron to do it during the actual season and take the risk. I assume a much larger percentage use before reporting to school and never chance testing positive at all.
If someone is doing it then they are idiots to get caught and even more of a moron to do it during the actual season and take the risk. I assume a much larger percentage use before reporting to school and never chance testing positive at all.
before Congress decides to "look into this" and try to "fix it" while the rest of the country is going straight to hell. Economy? We need to fix NCAA football first.
Hey, if you can play a sport and you're a politician, you can STILL MAKE AN IMPACT by passing legislation against steroids in that sport.
Although, as a baseball fan, I do realize that they went after baseball so hard because there really wasn't much of a plan in place as far as detecting steroids. Apparently, all MLB had to do was put in a half assed plan that's easy for their players to cover while making it look like they are "strict". Maybe they have caught on by now.
Hey, if you can play a sport and you're a politician, you can STILL MAKE AN IMPACT by passing legislation against steroids in that sport.
Although, as a baseball fan, I do realize that they went after baseball so hard because there really wasn't much of a plan in place as far as detecting steroids. Apparently, all MLB had to do was put in a half assed plan that's easy for their players to cover while making it look like they are "strict". Maybe they have caught on by now.
the ones that use know when they are going to be tested weeks in advance.......this according to several former players from Croom's 2004 team (my last semester in starkville)
is that the results and/or punishment is usually handled in house. Unless it is the player's umpteenth fail, you rarely hear about it. I worked with the athletic department in a hands on role while at Ole Miss, and players were given notice to be present for testing at 5am the next morning. All athletes were tested at the beginning of season, then random throughout. Does steroid abuse happen in college? Absolutely, but you are more likely to hear of someone getting popped for weed rather than roids.
is listen. The word will get out as to when testing is to be done. When the words "red week" were tossed around, it was time to clean up and watch out. Coaches and players knew when it was coming and it was no "surprise."
To add to what Coach34 just said, that jucos don't test because of cost. Very True....and further, which test do the D1's use? There are as many different levels of testing as there are ways to beat it. Most tests are good for finding weed for a couple of days. You want to test for weed/roids 2 or 3 weeks back -- you just tripled the testing cost. And so it goes. Reliability is a cost function. (If you want to test for appearance sake, you use the low-cost kit and don't test all the samples. Imagine the possibilities.)
To add to what Coach34 just said, that jucos don't test because of cost. Very True....and further, which test do the D1's use? There are as many different levels of testing as there are ways to beat it. Most tests are good for finding weed for a couple of days. You want to test for weed/roids 2 or 3 weeks back -- you just tripled the testing cost. And so it goes. Reliability is a cost function. (If you want to test for appearance sake, you use the low-cost kit and don't test all the samples. Imagine the possibilities.)