Whatever idiot paid Tolu…should’ve been required

[SouthFarmchicken]

he shot 70% plus from free throws to receive 75% of whatever his package was. And don’t give me that ******** that it can’t be connected to performance. We all know that’s garbage.

Hubbard should get whatever amount he wants PLUS an additional 250k per year for any player on the team that shoots 75% plus free throws.

 

[PBDog]

yea - i actually like murphy better down low

 

[DAWGSANDSAINTS]

I’ll be 17-ing glad when Tofu Smith is GONE!!

 

[PBDog]

I’ll be 17-ing glad when Tofu Smith is GONE!!

hes a 4 playing a 5

 

[8dog]

We would be nowhere without Tolu this season.

 

[SouthFarmchicken]

We would be nowhere without Tolu this season.

We played our best basketball without him. We also had our worst loss without him.

Anderson Garcia is outplaying him tonight. It’s scary. We have the same team as last year with a true freshman en fuego, and we can’t beat an NIT team.

 

[8dog]

lol. He averages 17 and 8.5 and didn’t get to play some cupcakes. He draws all of the attention along with Hub. Garcia isn’t outplaying him. We can’t even get him a touch. They are doubling him before the entry. That’s how much Buzz thinks of him.

 

[SouthFarmchicken]

lol. He averages 17 and 8.5 and didn’t get to play some cupcakes. He draws all of the attention along with Hub. Garcia isn’t outplaying him. We can’t even get him a touch. They are doubling him before the entry. That’s how much Buzz thinks of him.

More points, more rebounds, more assists, and less turnovers. What other stat would you like to compare? Hustle? Basketball IQ? Garcia wins that too. Loved his game when he was at State and love his game now. He and Cam on the Court would be hell.

 

[8dog]

More points, more rebounds, more assists, and less turnovers. What other stat would you like to compare? Hustle? Basketball IQ? Garcia wins that too. Loved his game when he was at State and love his game now. He and Cam on the Court would be hell.

If we doubled Anderson Garcia he wouldn’t have a single point. I never thought I’d find a guy who thinks Tolu is worthless and also a guy who thinks Hub is average.

regardless of tonight Tolu and Hub are a two man team. Lose either one and we aren’t on the bubble

 

[HuntDawg]

Tulo is the only big in the league with his skill set, and it’s a skill set that is no longer successful in CBB. It gets numbers like you mentioned, but unless the post player is very very special. It doesn’t win. Tulo isn’t special

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

If we doubled Anderson Garcia he wouldn’t have a single point. I never thought I’d find a guy who thinks Tolu is worthless and also a guy who thinks Hub is average.

regardless of tonight Tolu and Hub are a two man team. Lose either one and we aren’t on the bubble

Texas A&M had four fouls in the second half. How many times did they go to the line?

 

[olblue]

If we doubled Anderson Garcia he wouldn’t have a single point. I never thought I’d find a guy who thinks Tolu is worthless and also a guy who thinks Hub is average.

regardless of tonight Tolu and Hub are a two man team. Lose either one and we aren’t on the bubble

Correct on all accounts

 

[olblue]

Tulo isn’t special

 

[SouthFarmchicken]

If we doubled Anderson Garcia he wouldn’t have a single point. I never thought I’d find a guy who thinks Tolu is worthless and also a guy who thinks Hub is average.

regardless of tonight Tolu and Hub are a two man team. Lose either one and we aren’t on the bubble

Hubbard is going to break every scoring record at State. Never for one second said he was average. He’s elite now and is only going to get better when he learns a little better shot selection.

Tolu is a bull in a china shop who can’t make free throws. He can’t defend anyone, can’t shoot, can’t make layups. He’s lazy. He has a NBA level low post game, but it doesn’t matter. He is not good enough to finish against above average bigs and again, can’t shoot free throws. The reason why we suck in close games? Because he misses so many damn free throws and other teams know that.

We have been so damn bad in basketball for so damn long…people think Tolu is something special. He’s not. He’s the best big we have. That’s it. Reggie Perry, Renardo Sidney, Gavin Ware…those guys are just in the last decade. Trade them out for Tolu and you wouldn’t notice. Hell, you might get more effort from Sidney…he averaged 14 and 8 his sophomore year.

 

[8dog]

Hubbard is going to break every scoring record at State. Never for one second said he was average. He’s elite now and is only going to get better when he learns a little better shot selection.

Tolu is a bull in a china shop who can’t make free throws. He can’t defend anyone, can’t shoot, can’t make layups. He’s lazy. He has a NBA level low post game, but it doesn’t matter. He is not good enough to finish against above average bigs and again, can’t shoot free throws. The reason why we suck in close games? Because he misses so many damn free throws and other teams know that.

We have been so damn bad in basketball for so damn long…people think Tolu is something special. He’s not. He’s the best big we have. That’s it. Reggie Perry, Renardo Sidney, Gavin Ware,

Rate him however you want but he is incredibly damn important to this team and 1 of 2 reasons it has a chance to go dancing. And every coach in the sec would agree. Defense was the biggest issue tonight but not being able to get him touches near the paint was a huge problem

 

[mstateglfr]

Tolu is a bull in a china shop who can’t make free throws. He can’t defend anyone, can’t shoot, can’t make layups. He’s lazy. He has a NBA level low post game, but it doesn’t matter.,

 

[SouthFarmchicken]

Yea. He has elite footwork, elite post move and elite quickness for a big. That is what makes him good. But he struggles to finish and free throws. We have all seen it. It makes close games impossible if he is shooting late instead of Hubbard.

 

[HuntDawg]

Our offense tonight was watch Hubbard shoot low% 3 pointers. best find a way to get the big guy involved in some way. Hubbard shooting 18 threes isn’t going to beat anyone.

 

[kired]

Hubbard is going to break every scoring record at State. Never for one second said he was average. He’s elite now and is only going to get better when he learns a little better shot selection.

You really think he’ll be here that long? I’ll be surprised if we get another year. He’s going to be recruited hard

 

[Mayor of Little London]

You really think he’ll be here that long? I’ll be surprised if we get another year. He’s going to be recruited hard

 

[SouthFarmchicken]

You really think he’ll be here that long? I’ll be surprised if we get another year. He’s going to be recruited hard

If our dumbass fanbase tries to fire Jans he won’t be. Otherwise, he’s staying.

 

[StateCollege]

And don’t give me that ******** that it can’t be connected to performance. We all know that’s garbage.

When people say things like this, it’s very clear they don’t understand how NIL works.

It’s not that it “can’t” be connected to performance because of some rule. It’s that players would never accept compensation based on performance and risk not getting paid. They would just say no and go to the next offer that doesn’t have stipulations. It’s pretty simple.

 

[tcdog70]

basketball IQ is low in this thread. Tolu is why we might make the Dance. When he is doubled someone else has to step up. He was getting fouled and Doug Shows and his Clowns wouldn't call it but They didn't mind putitng out 2 best players in immediate foul trouble. 4 fouls in a half that is pitiful. Andy fell down and Tolu gets a 4th foul. if we zone them in first half we might have won. DJ did a great job and was a factor in our run. Cam was awful in first half. we had a chance to win but Hub went cold. Live by the 3 die by the 3. The reason Rams was getting open looks was because they we doubling Tolu. Tolu is elite but not Superman.
also A&M has more quad 1 wins than anyone in SEC..

 

[HuntDawg]

basketball IQ is low in this thread. Tolu is why we might make the Dance. When he is doubled someone else has to step up. He was getting fouled and Doug Shows and his Clowns wouldn't call it but They didn't mind putitng out 2 best players in immediate foul trouble. 4 fouls in a half that is pitiful. Andy fell down and Tolu gets a 4th foul. if we zone them in first half we might have won. DJ did a great job and was a factor in our run. Cam was awful in first half. we had a chance to win but Hub went cold. Live by the 3 die by the 3. The reason Rams was getting open looks was because they we doubling Tolu. Tolu is elite but not Superman.
also A&M has more quad 1 wins than anyone in SEC..

People dont understand the advantage that Tolu and Hubbard give us on the offense end.. is the same DISADVANTAGE they give us on the defense end.

TxAm went right after hubbard. There wasnt a bad foul call. Then in the second half after getting his 3rd. He basically played 0 defense. NONE. LIke would back away from players in the lane after getting blown by.

Same with Tulo. He is poor defensively. Struggles the defend the post. Cant defend on the perimeter against stretch forwards or big men.. and offers zero rim protection.

Both players we consider elite, but in reality, they arent very good at the all around game. They have 1 elite skill, which for hubbard is his shot, and Tulo is scoring ability on the block. Every other thing those guys do is average to below average for whats expected out of their position. Which is why we struggle when things dont go perfectly for us.

 

[knock him out john]

Hubbard is going to break every scoring record at State. Never for one second said he was average. He’s elite now and is only going to get better when he learns a little better shot selection.

Tolu is a bull in a china shop who can’t make free throws. He can’t defend anyone, can’t shoot, can’t make layups. He’s lazy. He has a NBA level low post game, but it doesn’t matter. He is not good enough to finish against above average bigs and again, can’t shoot free throws. The reason why we suck in close games? Because he misses so many damn free throws and other teams know that.

We have been so damn bad in basketball for so damn long…people think Tolu is something special. He’s not. He’s the best big we have. That’s it. Reggie Perry, Renardo Sidney, Gavin Ware…those guys are just in the last decade. Trade them out for Tolu and you wouldn’t notice. Hell, you might get more effort from Sidney…he averaged 14 and 8 his sophomore year.

Hubbard is going to break every scoring record at State. Never for one second said he was average. He’s elite now and is only going to get better when he learns a little better shot selection.

Tolu is a bull in a china shop who can’t make free throws. He can’t defend anyone, can’t shoot, can’t make layups. He’s lazy. He has a NBA level low post game, but it doesn’t matter. He is not good enough to finish against above average bigs and again, can’t shoot free throws. The reason why we suck in close games? Because he misses so many damn free throws and other teams know that.

We have been so damn bad in basketball for so damn long…people think Tolu is something special. He’s not. He’s the best big we have. That’s it. Reggie Perry, Renardo Sidney, Gavin Ware…those guys are just in the last decade. Trade them out for Tolu and you wouldn’t notice. Hell, you might get more effort from Sidney…he averaged 14 and 8 his sophomore year.

Tolu can't be a bull in a china shop because he plays too soft. Reggie Perry was better offensively all day long.

 

[HuntDawg]

To further my example from above:

Last night, Hubbard's shot wasnt falling. Sure he scored 24, but took 23 shots which is asburdly bad.. but OK. No problem. Lets do other things to help us win, Lets create for others, lets defend, lets rebound. Lets get to the line.

0 rebounds, 0 steals, 3 assists, 1 free throw taken

Last night, Tolu getting double teamed and cant get into a groove offensive. OK, lets get on the boards, lets get some O-boards and put backs, lets block some shots, lets defend

4 rebounds, 1 offensive board, 0 steals, 0 blocks

Guys are 1 trick ponies, and when the one trick isnt working, they dont have another way to effect the game.

Tolu is what he is at this point. Hubbard i hope improves

 

[The Peeper]

We would be nowhere without Tolu this season.

That may be where we are w/ him too if we lose Saturday......

 

[L4Dawg]

he shot 70% plus from free throws to receive 75% of whatever his package was. And don’t give me that ******** that it can’t be connected to performance. We all know that’s garbage.

Hubbard should get whatever amount he wants PLUS an additional 250k per year for any player on the team that shoots 75% plus free throws.

You know as much about basketball as I do about quantum physics.

 

[travis.sixpack]

You really think he’ll be here that long? I’ll be surprised if we get another year. He’s going to be recruited hard

Can we trade Hubbard for a starting DE or cornerback?

 

[SouthFarmchicken]

To further my example from above:

Last night, Hubbard's shot wasnt falling. Sure he scored 24, but took 23 shots which is asburdly bad.. but OK. No problem. Lets do other things to help us win, Lets create for others, lets defend, lets rebound. Lets get to the line.

0 rebounds, 0 steals, 3 assists, 1 free throw taken

Last night, Tolu getting double teamed and cant get into a groove offensive. OK, lets get on the boards, lets get some O-boards and put backs, lets block some shots, lets defend

4 rebounds, 1 offensive board, 0 steals, 0 blocks

Guys are 1 trick ponies, and when the one trick isnt working, they dont have another way to effect the game.

Tolu is what he is at this point. Hubbard i hope improves

You’re just wrong.

Hubbard was 9 of 20 at one point. I’ll take 45% all day from him, every day.

Hubbard is an elite offensive talent. Opens up everything on the offensive end moreso than Tolu. He’s not good defensively but is far from the liability that Tolu is. Hubbard also has the ability to be a pretty good defender. His size limits him of course. But, he will get there. He’s a true freshman. We forget.

Now, Hubbard started jacking those last three threes to try to will us to a win. They were bad shots, but no one else was stepping up. He did the same against Kentucky and they went in.

 

[HuntDawg]

You’re just wrong.

Hubbard was 9 of 20 at one point. I’ll take 45% all day from him, every day.

Hubbard is an elite offensive talent. Opens up everything on the offensive end moreso than Tolu. He’s not good defensively but is far from the liability that Tolu is. Hubbard also has the ability to be a pretty good defender. His size limits him of course. But, he will get there. He’s a true freshman. We forget.

Now, Hubbard started jacking those last three threes to try to will us to a win. They were bad shots, but no one else was stepping up. He did the same against Kentucky and they went in.

So the last shots of the game dont count? Sure he was 9 for 20 at one point, he was also 3 for 5 at one point too! He finished 5 for 18 from 3, and 9 for 23 from the field. You counted the last minute heaves agaisnt kentucky didnt you? Should we go back and see what the numbers are before then? He was 8 for 21 vs Kentucky before the last minute. So we cant pick and choose.

Tolu opens more up than Hubbard does. This really isnt even arguable. Tolu gets doubled every play. Whens the last time Hubbard got doubled? Tolu's ability last night inside got multiple open 3 point looks, even a few for hubbard. Did hubbard stretching the floor get Tolu any good looks on the block?

To date, Hubbard has been very poor defensively. He was brutal last night. You cant even argue that. Yes he's a freshman, hence my line I hope he improves. But he's yet to show the ability to be a "good defender" or heck even an average one at this point.

The shots hubbard jacked up last night. 3 consecutive trips up the floor. All 3 early in the shot clock. None after any offense was ran... Didnt exactly give anyone the chance to step up....

 

[olblue]

People dont understand the advantage that Tolu and Hubbard give us on the offense end.. is the same DISADVANTAGE they give us on the defense end.

TxAm went right after hubbard. There wasnt a bad foul call. Then in the second half after getting his 3rd. He basically played 0 defense. NONE. LIke would back away from players in the lane after getting blown by.

Same with Tulo. He is poor defensively. Struggles the defend the post. Cant defend on the perimeter against stretch forwards or big men.. and offers zero rim protection.

Both players we consider elite, but in reality, they arent very good at the all around game. They have 1 elite skill, which for hubbard is his shot, and Tulo is scoring ability on the block. Every other thing those guys do is average to below average for whats expected out of their position. Which is why we struggle when things dont go perfectly for us.

 

[CoastRat.sixpack]

hes a 4 playing a 5

He is neither of those. Just soft, and a turnover machine.

 

[pmack3641]

You’re just wrong.

Hubbard was 9 of 20 at one point. I’ll take 45% all day from him, every day.

Hubbard is an elite offensive talent. Opens up everything on the offensive end moreso than Tolu. He’s not good defensively but is far from the liability that Tolu is. Hubbard also has the ability to be a pretty good defender. His size limits him of course. But, he will get there. He’s a true freshman. We forget.

Now, Hubbard started jacking those last three threes to try to will us to a win. They were bad shots, but no one else was stepping up. He did the same against Kentucky and they went in.

It’s amazing how 1 poster dislikes Tolus game and the other dislikes Hubbard game yet both are the leading scorers on the team and without them we’d suck monkey balls as a team.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

To further my example from above:

Last night, Hubbard's shot wasnt falling. Sure he scored 24, but took 23 shots which is asburdly bad.. but OK. No problem. Lets do other things to help us win, Lets create for others, lets defend, lets rebound. Lets get to the line.

You've used this to repeatedly bash Hubbard and yet there are zero players able or willing to step up and "do other things". At any one time we can have 3 offensive liabilities on the floor.

Shak could have been that create off the dribble guy last night but for the most part everyone was playing like they were saving energy for something else.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

It’s amazing how 1 poster dislikes Tolus game and the other dislikes Hubbard game yet both are the leading scorers on the team and without them we’d suck monkey balls as a team.

 

[HuntDawg]

You've used this to repeatedly bash Hubbard and yet there are zero players able or willing to step up and "do other things". At any one time we can have 3 offensive liabilities on the floor.

Shak could have been that create off the dribble guy last night but for the most part everyone was playing like they were saving energy for something else.

Chicken or the egg argument. Its easy to say others aren’t stepping up… but at the same time its hard for others to step up when the offense isn’t being ran….Tolu had 5 shots…. That’s an issue.

in order to be good your best players have to make the players around them better. Cant play hero ball and expect to win games against good teams.

it’s not bashing. It’s fact.