When Does Ray Get Credit?

[Cocky Hobbit]

1. Nearly everyone said he was lazy and cheap for choosing Beamer.

2. Nearly everyone wanted Kingston gone — yet Ray has stuck with him for 5 years. The baseball team is now clearly in the top 3 in the country.

3. He let Frank go and has brought in someone who will build a foundation with the right culture to make basketball truly competitive on a consistent basis. (This is another long term work in progress).

4. Women’s basketball is truly elite.

5. Facilities in virtually all sports are among the best in the country.

6. USC has won Palmetto Trophy five years in a row.

7. Attendance at all sporting events is sky high.

8. USC is finally becoming a national brand — “2001”, “Sandstorm”, “Williams Brice — Loudest Stadium in America”;

9. Top 5 in recruiting for football

10. Landing 5 star recruits

11. Recruiting is now coast to coast

12. Large number of alums doing well in all the professional leagues

13. Justin King Media gives USC the best media presence in the country

14. We are out-recruiting (on occasion) Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State

15. We now own recruiting in the Palmetto State

I for one am thankful that we have Ray Tanner as the AD.

 

[Viennacock]

1. Nearly everyone said he was lazy and cheap for choosing Beamer.

2. Nearly everyone wanted Kingston gone — yet Ray has stuck with him for 5 years. The baseball team is now clearly in the top 3 in the country.

3. He let Frank go and has brought in someone who will build a foundation with the right culture to make basketball truly competitive on a consistent basis. (This is another long term work in progress).

4. Women’s basketball is truly elite.

5. Facilities in virtually all sports are among the best in the country.

6. USC has won Palmetto Trophy five years in a row.

7. Attendance at all sporting events is sky high.

8. USC is finally becoming a national brand — “2001”, “Sandstorm”, “Williams Brice — Loudest Stadium in America”;

9. Top 5 in recruiting for football

10. Landing 5 star recruits

11. Recruiting is now coast to coast

12. Large number of alums doing well in all the professional leagues

13. Justin King Media gives USC the best media presence in the country

14. We are out-recruiting (on occasion) Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State

15. We now own recruiting in the Palmetto State

I for one am thankful that we have Ray Tanner as the AD.

He has made some mistakes but has made a lot more good decisions than bad. Muschamp was his biggest mistake. The jury is out on his choice for Basketball but I'm hopeful.

He's a good AD and good for the university. I'm with you.

 

[Atlanta Cock]

Why bring this up? I think he’s terrible, and there’s nothing you can point to that would ever change my mind. At best, he’s executing the last guy’s plan, and the cash cones from being in the SEC. At worst, he’s come up with zero new plans, ideas or concepts. Beamer hasn’t done anything yet. Neither has Kingston. Everyone else was hired by others.

Show me where he’s improved gameday atmosphere or experience at any venue, but especially W-B and the basketball arena. Concessions are the same. Bathrooms are the same. Not knocking them, but there’s nothing unique about either when compared to competitors who often boast of better concessions and cool attractions and exhibits to visit in addition to seeing the game.

He’s the Pete Buttigieg of ADs with a worse accent.

 

[Whatever1]

Why bring this up? I think he’s terrible, and there’s nothing you can point to that would ever change my mind. At best, he’s executing the last guy’s plan, and the cash cones from being in the SEC. At worst, he’s come up with zero new plans, ideas or concepts. Beamer hasn’t done anything yet. Neither has Kingston. Everyone else was hired by others.

Show me where he’s improved gameday atmosphere or experience at any venue, but especially W-B and the basketball arena. Concessions are the same. Bathrooms are the same. Not knocking them, but there’s nothing unique about either when compared to competitors who often boast of better concessions and cool attractions and exhibits to visit in addition to seeing the game.

Why bring this up? We could ask you fools who create threads trashing him constantly the same thing...

 

[atl-cock]

When discussing men's basketball. state men's basketball, not just "basketball."

And no, when just stating "basketball," I make no assumptions on the gender, but instead ask for the poster to specify the gender.

One could easily refer to it as "basketball," and men's basketball.

Seems more respectful of each team to specify the gender.

 

[bucocky]

Tanner's job is to put our coaches and programs in a position to succeed. And he has done a fantastic job with that. His job is not to win games. Fans have the luxury to sit back and always be right. When our programs stink he gets the blame, but when they succeed he should get credit too. He deserves credit. I like that he has been steady in holding the long-term vision of our athletics department.

Fans got upset with Tanner because he isn't quick on the trigger to fire coaches. I am okay with that. Blowing up a program to ground zero is often not a good thing, just look at Tennessee and Auburn. Rinse and repeat. There's no guarantee that the next coach is going to do better. Some people on this board want our coaches fired on a game to game basis. They get so upset that they can't even wait to see the big picture.

During our slump last year, some fans on this board who would never admit to it today, were saying that Beamer just doesn't have what it takes. Where are they now? There will probably be more hiccups next year, and then they will lurch back out briefly, continually flip flopping, blowing with the wind, on a win or lose game to game basis.

And the Muschamp buyout. However, Muschamp inherited a 3-9 team, went 6-7 and then 9-4 in his second year. At the same time recruiting was picking up. We were getting guys like Hilinksi, Lloyd, Pickens, and Burch. So I see why we made that mistake with the buyout when you have the fear that he could be poached by another program. Would I support Beamer getting that kind of buyout right now? Yes, I would. But I'm glad I'm not an AD.

 

[athenscock3]

Never. Some diehards would never give one ounce of credit and relish the chance to trash Tanner in every thread his name comes up in. It was the same way with with just about every ad, coach, or player we have ever had. There are still posters who blast away at a former ad's wife for supposedly mandating a class for USC football players when she had nothing to do with the class. It was an SEC mandated class and our low life qb showed his *** again and the posters piled on in his defense blasting the ad and his wife. For some once you are on the sh** list nothing gets you off.

 

[Prestonyte]

When discussing men's basketball. state men's basketball, not just "basketball."

And no, when just stating "basketball," I make no assumptions on the gender, but instead ask for the poster to specify the gender.

One could easily refer to it as "basketball," and men's basketball.

Seems more respectful of each team to specify the gender.

The difference is obviously stated between #3 and #4 (Frank was men's basketball coach and #4 is clear as can be).

#3 is questionable, with no substance to back it up for sure, and could have been left out completely!

 

[Blues man]

I get the need for some who have been itching to post I told you so threads wanting to do so, but still seems a little premature to me.
Baseball is much improved but seems a bit fragile when you think one guy seems to have made the difference. Can we keep him?
Mens basketball looks to be headed toward a rebuild every year.
Football went 4-4 in conference last year. Although good, how much celebrating are we willing to do for being middle of the pack?
How about we hold off on the victory laps for the time being.

 

[Slim Chickens Gamecock]

1. Nearly everyone said he was lazy and cheap for choosing Beamer.

2. Nearly everyone wanted Kingston gone — yet Ray has stuck with him for 5 years. The baseball team is now clearly in the top 3 in the country.

3. He let Frank go and has brought in someone who will build a foundation with the right culture to make basketball truly competitive on a consistent basis. (This is another long term work in progress).

4. Women’s basketball is truly elite.

5. Facilities in virtually all sports are among the best in the country.

6. USC has won Palmetto Trophy five years in a row.

7. Attendance at all sporting events is sky high.

8. USC is finally becoming a national brand — “2001”, “Sandstorm”, “Williams Brice — Loudest Stadium in America”;

9. Top 5 in recruiting for football

10. Landing 5 star recruits

11. Recruiting is now coast to coast

12. Large number of alums doing well in all the professional leagues

13. Justin King Media gives USC the best media presence in the country

14. We are out-recruiting (on occasion) Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State

15. We now own recruiting in the Palmetto State

I for one am thankful that we have Ray Tanner as the AD.

Gotta win a few SEC championships in Men's Football. Recruiting does seem to be strong but that has to translate into wins. MBB has been a mess. Need 2 more years under the belt to determine if that is going in the right direction.

 

[Cocky99]

double post…….

 

[winloseortie]

Why bring this up? I think he’s terrible, and there’s nothing you can point to that would ever change my mind. At best, he’s executing the last guy’s plan, and the cash cones from being in the SEC. At worst, he’s come up with zero new plans, ideas or concepts. Beamer hasn’t done anything yet. Neither has Kingston. Everyone else was hired by others.

Show me where he’s improved gameday atmosphere or experience at any venue, but especially W-B and the basketball arena. Concessions are the same. Bathrooms are the same. Not knocking them, but there’s nothing unique about either when compared to competitors who often boast of better concessions and cool attractions and exhibits to visit in addition to seeing the game.

He’s the Pete Buttigieg of ADs with a worse accent.

Ambrose Bierce in his classic, The Devil’s Dictionary defined critic as

n. A person who declares himself impossible to please and then sets out to prove it.

 

[Cocky99]

Currently things in sports are looking good all around. But I’m still not sold on Ray Tanner. The previous football hire didn’t do him any favors. Things need to continue improving

 

[atl-cock]

The difference is obviously stated between #3 and #4 (Frank was men's basketball coach and #4 is clear as can be).

#3 is questionable, with no substance to back it up for sure, and could have been left out completely!

#3 could have made clearer and more respectful.

 

[atl-cock]

Tanner's job is to put our coaches and programs in a position to succeed. And he has done a fantastic job with that. His job is not to win games. Fans have the luxury to sit back and always be right. When our programs stink he gets the blame, but when they succeed he should get credit too. He deserves credit. I like that he has been steady in holding the long-term vision of our athletics department.

Fans got upset with Tanner because he isn't quick on the trigger to fire coaches. I am okay with that. Blowing up a program to ground zero is often not a good thing, just look at Tennessee and Auburn. Rinse and repeat. There's no guarantee that the next coach is going to do better. Some people on this board want our coaches fired on a game to game basis. They get so upset that they can't even wait to see the big picture. During our slump last year, some fans on this board who would never admit to it today, were saying that Beamer just doesn't have what it takes. Where are they now? There will probably be more hiccups next year, and then they will lurch back out briefly, continually flip flopping, blowing with the wind, on a win or lose game to game basis.

And the Muschamp buyout. However, Muschamp inherited a 3-9 team, went 6-7 and then 9-4 in his second year. So I see why we went that direction when you have the fear that he is going to be poached by another program. Would I support Beamer getting that kind of buyout right now? Yes, I would. But I'm glad I'm not an AD.

Tanner's other major responsibility is to hobnob and raise $$$ for the Athletic Department.

 

[bucocky]

Tanner's other major responsibility is to hobnob and raise $$$ for the Athletic Department.

Like I said, put our coaches and programs in a position to succeed.

 

[Spurman54]

Why bring this up? I think he’s terrible, and there’s nothing you can point to that would ever change my mind. At best, he’s executing the last guy’s plan, and the cash cones from being in the SEC. At worst, he’s come up with zero new plans, ideas or concepts. Beamer hasn’t done anything yet. Neither has Kingston. Everyone else was hired by others.

Show me where he’s improved gameday atmosphere or experience at any venue, but especially W-B and the basketball arena. Concessions are the same. Bathrooms are the same. Not knocking them, but there’s nothing unique about either when compared to competitors who often boast of better concessions and cool attractions and exhibits to visit in addition to seeing the game.

He’s the Pete Buttigieg of ADs with a worse accent.

Ladies and Gentlemen this is a Clemson troller in disguise. Do not be fooled by those fools at deadvalley U

 

[Cocky Hobbit]

Why bring this up? I think he’s terrible, and there’s nothing you can point to that would ever change my mind. At best, he’s executing the last guy’s plan, and the cash cones from being in the SEC. At worst, he’s come up with zero new plans, ideas or concepts. Beamer hasn’t done anything yet. Neither has Kingston. Everyone else was hired by others.

Show me where he’s improved gameday atmosphere or experience at any venue, but especially W-B and the basketball arena. Concessions are the same. Bathrooms are the same. Not knocking them, but there’s nothing unique about either when compared to competitors who often boast of better concessions and cool attractions and exhibits to visit in addition to seeing the game.

He’s the Pete Buttigieg of ADs with a worse accent.

Your attitude says it all.

 

[Cocky Hobbit]

When discussing men's basketball. state men's basketball, not just "basketball."

And no, when just stating "basketball," I make no assumptions on the gender, but instead ask for the poster to specify the gender.

One could easily refer to it as "basketball," and men's basketball.

Seems more respectful of each team to specify the gender.

I state women’s basketball in #4.

 

[KingWard]

His luck changed; it's as simple as that. As with all things related to luck, it could change again. What he had on his side was time. Our board didn't know how to do any better when they needed to be doing better.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Why bring this up? I think he’s terrible, and there’s nothing you can point to that would ever change my mind. At best, he’s executing the last guy’s plan, and the cash cones from being in the SEC. At worst, he’s come up with zero new plans, ideas or concepts. Beamer hasn’t done anything yet. Neither has Kingston. Everyone else was hired by others.

Show me where he’s improved gameday atmosphere or experience at any venue, but especially W-B and the basketball arena. Concessions are the same. Bathrooms are the same. Not knocking them, but there’s nothing unique about either when compared to competitors who often boast of better concessions and cool attractions and exhibits to visit in addition to seeing the game.

He’s the Pete Buttigieg of ADs with a worse accent.

ROTFLMAO.....DA post, again.

 

[ToddFlanders]

Tanner’s relatives really need to stop posting on message boards.

when it’s time to celebrate Tanner - I fully look forward to it. But much like any season, overreacting to a good (or bad) stretch is pointless - and the season will eventually be judged by the totality.

Tanner (and USC) is in a great stretch, but the “season” isn’t over and started as a dumpster fire. He should be judged when he calls it quits. If it ended today, I believe he’d be judged as a failed experiment (hiring a coach as an AD in a time of professional AD’s). Hopefully the upward trend continues. If Tanner is eventually celebrated as a genius, then USC is going to be in a very good place across the board.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Tanner’s relatives really need to stop posting on message boards.

when it’s time to celebrate Tanner - I fully look forward to it. But much like any season, overreacting to a good (or bad) stretch is pointless - and the season will eventually be judged by the totality.

Tanner (and USC) is in a great stretch, but the “season” isn’t over and started as a dumpster fire. He should be judged when he calls it quits. If it ended today, I believe he’d be judged as a failed experiment (hiring a coach as an AD in a time of professional AD’s). Hopefully the upward trend continues. If Tanner is eventually celebrated as a genius, then USC is going to be in a very good place across the board.

And exactly how have those "professional ADs" done in hiring coaches. UFs went through three football coaches without finding success. Clemson's AD has just retained a basketball coach who has been there about 13 years with little success. UTjrs' AD made a total mess of their last several hirings of football coaches.....and then hired one that has them in a little hot water with the NCAA. Nope, if that's what a "professional AD" will get you.....I'll keep the "non-professional" Tanner, who keeps our big donors happy, gives coaches time and the support they need, and doesn't interfere in the way coaches coach.

Not to mention, both Texas and TAMU and their football coaching carousels under "professional ADs".

 

[Cocky Hobbit]

And exactly how have those "professional ADs" done in hiring coaches. UFs went through three football coaches without finding success. Clemson's AD has just retained a basketball coach who has been there about 13 years with little success. UTjrs' AD made a total mess of their last several hirings of football coaches.....and then hired one that has them in a little hot water with the NCAA. Nope, if that's what a "professional AD" will get you.....I'll keep Tanner.

It seems that some on here refuse to give Ray any credit under any circumstance. It’s mind boggling, except for the ones that are trolls.

 

[Cocky Hobbit]

Tanner's job is to put our coaches and programs in a position to succeed. And he has done a fantastic job with that. His job is not to win games. Fans have the luxury to sit back and always be right. When our programs stink he gets the blame, but when they succeed he should get credit too. He deserves credit. I like that he has been steady in holding the long-term vision of our athletics department.

Fans got upset with Tanner because he isn't quick on the trigger to fire coaches. I am okay with that. Blowing up a program to ground zero is often not a good thing, just look at Tennessee and Auburn. Rinse and repeat. There's no guarantee that the next coach is going to do better. Some people on this board want our coaches fired on a game to game basis. They get so upset that they can't even wait to see the big picture. During our slump last year, some fans on this board who would never admit to it today, were saying that Beamer just doesn't have what it takes. Where are they now? There will probably be more hiccups next year, and then they will lurch back out briefly, continually flip flopping, blowing with the wind, on a win or lose game to game basis.

And the Muschamp buyout. However, Muschamp inherited a 3-9 team, went 6-7 and then 9-4 in his second year. So I see why we went that direction when you have the fear that he is going to be poached by another program. Would I support Beamer getting that kind of buyout right now? Yes, I would. But I'm glad I'm not an AD.

Well thought-out commentary.

 

[Atlanta Cock]

Why bring this up? We could ask you fools who create threads trashing him constantly the same thing...

My response is your screen name.

 

[ToddFlanders]

And exactly how have those "professional ADs" done in hiring coaches. UFs went through three football coaches without finding success. Clemson's AD has just retained a basketball coach who has been there about 13 years with little success. UTjrs' AD made a total mess of their last several hirings of football coaches.....and then hired one that has them in a little hot water with the NCAA. Nope, if that's what a "professional AD" will get you.....I'll keep the "non-professional" Tanner, who keeps our big donors happy, gives coaches time and the support they need, and doesn't interfere in the way coaches coach.

Not to mention, both Texas and TAMU and their football coaching carousels under "professional ADs".

Just because you get a job it doesn’t mean you’re qualified for it. Which is why we see tremendous turnover in the coaching ranks, and soon to be the AD ranks. So yes, there are a lot of professional AD’s that stink at their job. And I believe if Tanner wasn’t who he is to USC, he would have been fired right after Muschamp. And rightfully so. And if he were to quit today, he’d be considered a failed experiment.

However, I definitely appreciate the upward swing the department is going through and look forward to him being celebrated as a great AD when he retires if this swing continues.

 

[Atlanta Cock]

Well thought-out commentary.

I agree that it’s the AD’s job to create the atmosphere and facilities for success. I simply disagree Tanner has done anything. We could do much better at the AD position.

 

[Whatever1]

My response is your screen name.

Shocker, that's all you can reply with. ******* moron

 

[Rogue Cock]

I agree that it’s the AD’s job to create the atmosphere and facilities for success. I simply disagree Tanner has done anything. We could do much better at the AD position.

Whom? Name one. If they have any experience, I’ll guarantee that they have missed on a hire or two or more.

And Tanner has done a lot. Tour our facilities and you will be impressed. If it weren’t for Tanner’s ability to raise funding, we likely wouldn’t have them.

 

[KingWard]

Everything we have now results from certain facility improvements and funding initiatives (unpopular at the time) that gave us a chance to be competitive in the SEC in terms of infrastructure and brought the university's athletic department into the 21st Century. These were the work of a proven professional athletic administrator, Eric Hyman.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Everything we have now results from certain facility improvements and funding initiatives (unpopular at the time) that gave us a chance to be competitive in the SEC in terms of infrastructure and brought the university's athletic department into the 21st Century. These were the work of a proven professional athletic administrator, Eric Hyman.

Yes, those changes allowed us to be able to service the debt we incurred when we built those facilities, but the person who actually went to the big donors and the legislature to get initial funding and approval for the bond financing, respectively, was Tanner. Both were necessary to get what we have now.

 

[KingWard]

Yes, those changes allowed us to be able to service the debt we incurred when we built those facilities, but the person who actually went to the big donors and the legislature to get initial funding and approval for the bond financing, respectively, was Tanner. Both were necessary to get what we have now.

Hyman had already done a masterful job fashioning a modern program at TCU. I posit that Tanner wouldn't have known how to do what Hyman did, even if he had the fortitude to do it.

It took ruthlessness to enact the reforms Hyman brought about, and he got it done despite opposition from the fanbase, reservation from the administration, and exasperation some legislators.

 

[Atlanta Cock]

Everything we have now results from certain facility improvements and funding initiatives (unpopular at the time) that gave us a chance to be competitive in the SEC in terms of infrastructure and brought the university's athletic department into the 21st Century. These were the work of a proven professional athletic administrator, Eric Hyman.

This.

 

[Atlanta Cock]

Hyman had already done a masterful job fashioning a modern program at TCU. I posit that Tanner wouldn't have known how to do what Hyman did, even if he had the fortitude to do it.

It took ruthlessness to enact the reforms Hyman brought about, and he got it done despite opposition from the fanbase, reservation from the administration, and exasperation some legislators.

This too.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Hyman had already done a masterful job fashioning a modern program at TCU. I posit that Tanner wouldn't have known how to do what Hyman did, even if he had the fortitude to do it.

It took ruthlessness to enact the reforms Hyman brought about, and he got it done despite opposition from the fanbase, reservation from the administration, and exasperation some legislators.

Two different personalities. And Hyman couldn’t do what Tanner did…..go to the the large donors and convince them to provide initial funding for facility projects and then go to the BOT and the Legislature for bond funding. Hyman proved he couldn’t do that at TAMU….definitely couldn’t do it at USC.

 

[KingWard]

Two different personalities. And Hyman couldn’t do what Tanner did…..go to the the large donors and convince them to provide initial funding for facility projects and then go to the BOT and the Legislature for bond funding. Hyman proved he couldn’t do that at TAMU….definitely couldn’t do it at USC.

He proved just the opposite at TAMU. He's the one that got that stadium expanded and refurbished (more than $450 million) by raising the money through donations and the sale of seat licences (sound familiar?) He wasn't let go because he failed to do what was prioritized when he went there.

 

[BoydCreekCock]

Why bring this up? I think he’s terrible, and there’s nothing you can point to that would ever change my mind. At best, he’s executing the last guy’s plan, and the cash cones from being in the SEC. At worst, he’s come up with zero new plans, ideas or concepts. Beamer hasn’t done anything yet. Neither has Kingston. Everyone else was hired by others.

Show me where he’s improved gameday atmosphere or experience at any venue, but especially W-B and the basketball arena. Concessions are the same. Bathrooms are the same. Not knocking them, but there’s nothing unique about either when compared to competitors who often boast of better concessions and cool attractions and exhibits to visit in addition to seeing the game.

He’s the Pete Buttigieg of ADs with a worse accent.

My, my, somebody needs a nap!

 

[Rogue Cock]

Then

He proved just the opposite at TAMU. He's the one that got that stadium expanded and refurbished (more than $450 million) by raising the money through donations and the sale of seat licences (sound familiar?) He wasn't let go because he failed to do what was prioritized when he went there.

Then why was he fired? My understanding was that it was because he didn’t do the job he was hired to do….which is usually why you get fired. I know he didn’t have a warm and fuzzy relationship with some of our big donors and with a few Board members. He was good at some things but not so much at building relationships.

 

[KingWard]

Then

Then why was he fired? My understanding was that it was because he didn’t do the job he was hired to do….which is usually why you get fired. I know he didn’t have a warm and fuzzy relationship with some of our big donors and with a few Board members. He was good at some things but not so much at building relationships.

No, I tried to link an article from that time in Bleacher Report, but it was put up as media and so wouldn't link here. It had more to do with interpersonal relationships, even at the fan level, than anything else. Sumlin swooned also after Manziel left. That didn't help. But the inability to raise money or to set a strategic course to advance the program was not among the grievances - at least in that article. Bleacher Report - 1/5/16