When June Raines was forced out in 1996, for how many years had that decision been coming.

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I didn't start following Gamecock baseball until a couple or so years into Ray Tanner's tenure(I was still a yong kid back in 1996). I know Raines was here 20 years, still has the school record for wins with 763 (Tanner had 738 in 16 years). Raines' time from what I understand started out with a bang, but seemed to fizzle out after we joined the SEC in 1992. Also adding to everything in 1996 was that the Taters started to emerge as a title contender for the first time under JackLegg(guess who's a national seed this year while we're still stuck in neutral).

My question is how long was the fanbase grumbling before Mike McGee let it be known to Raines that the school was looking to move in a different direction, Because it feels like our baseball program is at the same crossroads now it was then.
 

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IIRC we hadn't been very good during the last 10 or so years before Raines was let go. And McGee got turned down by his top 4 candidates before Tanner took the job.
 

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IIRC we hadn't been very good during the last 10 or so years before Raines was let go. And McGee got turned down by his top 4 candidates before Tanner took the job.
One of those was the then coach at Tennessee if I'm not mistaken, who was later fired in 2007. I think I also read that Tanner was coaching for team USA in the summer Olympics that summer as well.
 
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One of those was the then coach at Tennessee if I'm not mistaken, who was later fired in 2007.
Yep....the other two were the HCs at Long Beach State and Miami.

And we almost had to go to our 5th choice because McGee refused to pay Tanner's buyout and left it to Tanner to negotiate his own buyout and pay for it....the terms were never disclosed.
 
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Yep....the other two were the HCs at Long Beach State and Miami.

And we almost had to go to our 5th choice because McGee refused to pay Tanner's buyout and left it to Tanner to negotiate his own buyout and pay for it....the terms were never disclosed.
Did not know that on the buyout issue. I didn't follow Carolina as closely until Tanner was hired. I do recall the head coach search being a mess IMO.
 

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At that time N.C. State did not take baseball seriously. They did not want to put in lights and support the baseball program like they do now. So basically the buyouts back then were really not much so Ray negotiated the buyout and came to USC where Mike McGee told him they would give him the financial support he needed to win at a high level. On June Raines there are so many story lines to where people wondered why it took so long to make a change. I will leave it at that. One thing that hurt June was back then USC didn't even support the baseball coach with a pitching coach. I could go on and on about other issues but it probably is best to leave it alone.
 
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Before people discussed coaches on the internet were talk shows and the media, mostly newspapers. With the advent of internet discussion boards came more talking about our coaches.
 

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At that time N.C. State did not take baseball seriously. They did not want to put in lights and support the baseball program like they do now. So basically the buyouts back then were really not much so Ray negotiated the buyout and came to USC where Mike McGee told him they would give him the financial support he needed to win at a high level. On June Raines there are so many story lines to where people wondered why it took so long to make a change. I will leave it at that. One thing that hurt June was back then USC didn't even support the baseball coach with a pitching coach. I could go on and on about other issues but it probably is best to leave it alone.
I read that at the time our baseball facilities were so bad the only SEC school that was considered to have worse facilities was Vanderbilt(this was before Tim Corbin came along), but even at that N.C. State's were in even worse shape(Tanner himself had to spearhead a fundraising campaign to get lights installed at N.C. State's baseball stadium sometime around 1995) Tanner had his eye on the head coaching position here for quite some time before he was hired, his wife being an Alum possibly having much to do with that.
 
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I read that at the time our baseball facilities were so bad the only SEC school that was considered to have worse facilities was Vanderbilt(this was before Tim Corbin came along), but even at that N.C. State's were in even worse shape(Tanner himself had to spearhead a fundraising campaign to get lights installed at N.C. State's baseball stadium sometime around 1995) Tanner had his eye on the head coaching position here for quite some time before he was hired, his wife being an Alum possibly having much to do with that.
I graduated in 69. When I first started going to games at what became Sarge Frye Field there were a couple of sets of wooden bleachers on the hill along the third base line, a portable concession stand, and the right field line was a big clay “cliff area” with grass at the top where you could also sit on the ground. That was it. A string of coaches including Dick Weldon from Bamberg.

Hiring of Bobby Richardson was a tremendous uplift. Whe he retired June took over and immediately went to the World Series twice and finished runner-up both times. Great moments and our pitchers pitched five complete games in a row in the second one (Jim Lewis, Tim Lewis, Ray Lavigne, and can’t remember the others) a record still unmatched.

Seems like things went slowly downhill and eventually I assume June “retired”.

Sarge Frye got built out and would have overflow crowds for big games. In those days The first Cocky (John Roush was the first and maybe the best still ever) and it was a hoot. He’d get out on the field and drive his little cart around during the seventh inning stretch.

Remember him coming out with a three legged stool and a water rubber bottle and “milking a cow” at home plate against Clemson. Somehow one time he went over and picked up a Clemson batgirl and bringing her to the USC dugout. Wilhelm hated him.

He also hated the Third Base Hecklers, who were a hoot and then some, They would always pick one opposing player and cheer for him. They were never hostile but totally funny. The other teams got into it. Used to do do silly things like call out “left,right,left whenever the opposing coach would visit the mound. “Don’t step on the line”, and some other things I can’t remember now. It was priceless and it was a tragedy the “whoever” broke them up. Don’t remember the AD.

I have seen June in the last few years. Cool guy, stands tall and straight and looks great. Great sense of humor and personality.

Anybody with corrections or additions…I would love to hear them!
 
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I graduated in 69. When I first started going to games at what became Sarge Frye Field there were a couple of sets of wooden bleachers on the hill along the third base line, a portable concession stand, and the right field line was a big clay “cliff area” with grass at the top where you could also sit on the ground. That was it. A string of coaches including Dick Weldon from Bamberg.

Hiring of Bobby Richardson was a tremendous uplift. Whe he retired June took over and immediately went to the World Series twice and finished runner-up both times. Great moments and our pitchers pitched five complete games in a row in the second one (Jim Lewis, Tim Lewis, Ray Lavigne, and can’t remember the others) a record still unmatched.

Seems like things went slowly downhill and eventually I assume June “retired”.

Sarge Frye got built out and would have overflow crowds for big games. In those days The first Cocky (John Roush was the first and maybe the best still ever) and it was a hoot. He’d get out on the field and drive his little cart around during the seventh inning stretch.

Remember him coming out with a three legged stool and a water rubber bottle and “milking a cow” at home plate against Clemson. Somehow one time he went over and picked up a Clemson batgirl and bringing her to the USC dugout. Wilhelm hated him.

He also hated the Third Base Hecklers, who were a hoot and then some, They would always pick one opposing player and cheer for him. They were never hostile but totally funny. The other teams got into it. Used to do do silly things like call out “left,right,left whenever the opposing coach would visit the mound. “Don’t step on the line”, and some other things I can’t remember now. It was priceless and it was a tragedy the “whoever” broke them up. Don’t remember the AD.

I have seen June in the last few years. Cool guy, stands tall and straight and looks great. Great sense of humor and personality.

Anybody with corrections or additions…I would love to hear them!

Richardson was coach on the first College World Series team in 1975. Raines first season in 1977 was also a College World Series runner up.
 

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Richardson was coach on the first College World Series team in 1975. Raines first season in 1977 was also a College World Series runner up.
Yup. Sure was. Lost to Texas in the first one pitching Earl Bass on like two days rest. Lost it like 6-1. Lost the second one when June coached I think to Arizona State in a close game. They brought in this wild man reliever who stomped and strutted around the mound. He struck Mookie out swinging at pitches over his head. That one was tough.

There was something strange about that one with the scheduling and although we were the last team with a loss we had to play an elimination game even though ASU had already lost one already. I’m am not sure about the details on that but there was something that kind pissed everybody off. I’m probably screwing that story up. Tom Price would know, rest his soul.
 

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June got to the point where he let the asst coaches do the recruiting. Sometimes he wouldn.t even show up for practice
 

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I read something about an assistant coach who he hired in 1993 that didn't cut it and that ended up being the beginning of the end for him.
 

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Yep....the other two were the HCs at Long Beach State and Miami.

And we almost had to go to our 5th choice because McGee refused to pay Tanner's buyout and left it to Tanner to negotiate his own buyout and pay for it....the terms were never disclosed.
I wonder if McGee stated "we'll build you a replacement for The Sarge, but won't buy out your NCSU contract."
 

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I wonder if McGee stated "we'll build you a replacement for The Sarge, but won't buy out your NCSU contract."
If he did I never read it or heard of it. And it took a looong time to get built.
 

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Yup. Sure was. Lost to Texas in the first one pitching Earl Bass on like two days rest. Lost it like 6-1. Lost the second one when June coached I think to Arizona State in a close game. They brought in this wild man reliever who stomped and strutted around the mound. He struck Mookie out swinging at pitches over his head. That one was tough.

There was something strange about that one with the scheduling and although we were the last team with a loss we had to play an elimination game even though ASU had already lost one already. I’m am not sure about the details on that but there was something that kind pissed everybody off. I’m probably screwing that story up. Tom Price would know, rest his soul.
This was before the CWS got divvied up into 2 4-team double elimination tournaments, with the winner of each playing in a championship game on CBS. After CBS dropped it, the NCAA kept it at 2-4-team tournaments, with the winners of each playing in a best of three, which is in essence a two-team double elimination event.

Back then, it was a whole 8-team affair, not 2 4-team affairs.

8-team double elimination bracket layout.
 
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I was looking back thru some online newspaper articles from that era(1996-1998) and found out something I hadn't known about before. I never knew our Softball program went 63-5 in 1997 and went to the WCWS for the third time in their history that year. I always thought that our Softball program was average year in and out with no WCWS appearances and occasional NCAA tournament trips. Apparently they got some history of their own.
 

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I was looking back thru some online newspaper articles from that era(1996-1998) and found out something I hadn't known about before. I never knew our Softball program went 63-5 in 1997 and went to the WCWS for the third time in their history that year. I always thought that our Softball program was average year in and out with no WCWS appearances and occasional NCAA tournament trips. Apparently they got some history of their own.
We had a super whiz bang pitcher. Don’t remember her name.
 
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This was before the CWS got divvied up into 2 4-team double elimination tournaments, with the winner of each playing in a championship game on CBS. After CBS dropped it, the NCAA kept it at 2-4-team tournaments, with the winners of each playing in a best of three, which is in essence a two-team double elimination event.

Back then, it was a whole 8-team affair, not 2 4-team affairs.

8-team double elimination bracket layout.
Do you remember anything about the final part of the bracket and games leading to the final? There was something odd about it that did not go in USC’s favor.
 

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Do you remember anything about the final part of the bracket and games leading to the final? There was something odd about it that did not go in USC’s favor.
When it's down to three teams, they draw to determine who gets the bye. I believe it wasn't us.
 

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When it's down to three teams, they draw to determine who gets the bye. I believe it wasn't us.
Okay. That’s what I remember. Did we all have one loss at the time. I would imagine so. Just seemed as if there was a coin toss or something. Thank you.
 

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Yup. Sure was. Lost to Texas in the first one pitching Earl Bass on like two days rest. Lost it like 6-1. Lost the second one when June coached I think to Arizona State in a close game. They brought in this wild man reliever who stomped and strutted around the mound. He struck Mookie out swinging at pitches over his head. That one was tough.

There was something strange about that one with the scheduling and although we were the last team with a loss we had to play an elimination game even though ASU had already lost one already. I’m am not sure about the details on that but there was something that kind pissed everybody off. I’m probably screwing that story up. Tom Price would know, rest his soul.
If you're talking about 1975, they put three envelopes in front of the three head coaches, if I remember correctly, I believe Richardson picked first, and the contents said "play" or whatever. He picked the envelope to his left. If he had picked the one in front of him, it said "bye".
 
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If you're talking about 1975, they put three envelopes in front of the three head coaches, if I remember correctly, I believe Richardson picked first, and the contents said "play" or whatever. He picked the envelope to his left. If he had picked the one in front of him, it said "bye".
Wow! Thank you so much. I knew there was something.
I liked June. Know him personally. See him every now and then at the games.
I see him too. Tall, stands up straight very personable. Used to see him at FriarsGate and a long time ago Seven Oaks Park. My son and grandson played at Chapin with his June’s brother Eddie’s ( son and grandson). He is a great guy. They are a great family.
 

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Wow! Thank you so much. I knew there was something.

I see him too. Tall, stands up straight very personable. Used to see him at FriarsGate and a long time ago Seven Oaks Park. My son and grandson played at Chapin with his June’s brother Eddie’s ( son and grandson). He is a great guy. They are a great family.
I really think 1 of Kingston downfall was he was not personable. June was and Tanner
 
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