When's the last time a player was cut due to performance?

[18IsTheMan]

Does it happen? Seems players come in on scholarship and, even if they're terrible, hang around for the full 4 or 5 years and get their free education. With all that's going on with the portal and NIL stuff, it seems that teams should be given some power to control their roster instead of being wholly at the mercy of the whims of the players.

Better yet, coaches should have the freedom to say "Sorry, we've got to let you go. We've got a 5* coming in at your position and we need to make room on the roster." Why should only the players have the option to pursue what they think is a better opportunity? If they can do it, teams should be able to do it as well.

It's not something I would have previously considered, but with all the power given to players to hang coaches and teams out to dry, I think it's only fair for it work both ways.

 

[Spinal Tap]

I believe we have quietly told some players to seek opportunities elsewhere. You've been following our team a long time and we've had
players leave, mostly reserves, who we'd have thought would stay even if they weren't seeing the field just to finish out. Some disappeared and
I never saw any news on where they landed.

And yes, schools need some leverage to protect themselves from continual churn.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I believe we have quietly told some players to seek opportunities elsewhere. You've been following our team a long time and we've had
players leave, mostly reserves, who we'd have thought would stay even if they weren't seeing the field just to finish out. Some disappeared and
I never saw any news on where they landed.

And yes, schools need some leverage to protect themselves from continual churn.

True. Some guys are passively cut.

I just think if things are simply gonna be cutthroat, then it needs to be cutthroat for all parties involved.

 

[Prestonyte]

True. Some guys are passively cut.

I just think if things are simply gonna be cutthroat, then it needs to be cutthroat for all parties involved.

Yep, needs to cut both ways.
Or scholarships need to be 4 yr contractual obligations which benefit both parties and cuts out the easy transfer portal crap where players walk away without penalty. Any transfer would have to be a contract negotiated deal.

 

[Viennacock]

I believe we have quietly told some players to seek opportunities elsewhere. You've been following our team a long time and we've had
players leave, mostly reserves, who we'd have thought would stay even if they weren't seeing the field just to finish out. Some disappeared and
I never saw any news on where they landed.

And yes, schools need some leverage to protect themselves from continual churn.

This is the best approach. Once you tell a kid he'll never see the field, they'll go on their own or take a big step forward. SOS sent a handful of Holtz's players packing when he came in. Much easier to do it when they aren't your recruits.

 

[The Reel Ess]

I seem to recall Spurrier suggesting a few players transfer. I guess that's a strong hint they won't have a schollie renewed. It probably seemed like a win-win to him. Use the schollie on someone else and the player moves down to a level where they're more likely to stand see the field. Some of those players are insistent they play a position they aren't best suited for. IDK what would happen if they didn't take the hint. As for during the season, you'd just get benched or find yourself in the permanently in the coach's doghouse.

 

[Maxcy]

Happens on an annual basis in the December player/coach meetings.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Happens on an annual basis in the December player/coach meetings.

No, I mean flat-out cut. I know how those meetings go, as discussed above.

Also, to my second question, coaches should be able to cut someone loose bc they have a better player coming in.

None of this suggestion stuff. “Sorry, your done. Pack your locker and leave..”

 

[Cocky99]

I don’t know all that works. I don’t foresee a university pulling an athletic scholarship once realized that the player isn’t going to live up to expectations. As far as I could tell they just saw very limited playing time.
Deon Sanders went nuclear on Colorado when he first took over. straight up said that I’m bringing in a new QB and other playersand that those who aren’t salvageable or want to be there, then hit the portal.
I imagine these guys options are to either hit the portal and hope someone selects you. Ride the bench. Or stop football and just be a student.

 

[81 Alumnus]

Don't mean to insert facts into a classic GC circle jerk, but all scholarships at all NCAA schools are 4 year commitments as of 5-6 years ago. Of course, that doesn't mean that schools don't find ways to push kids out the door behind the scenes. But you haven't been able to decline to renew a kid's scholly for some time.

We now return to your regularly scheduled debate over how many angels can dance on the head of pin

 

[Cluster Cock]

Does it happen? Seems players come in on scholarship and, even if they're terrible, hang around for the full 4 or 5 years and get their free education. With all that's going on with the portal and NIL stuff, it seems that teams should be given some power to control their roster instead of being wholly at the mercy of the whims of the players.

Better yet, coaches should have the freedom to say "Sorry, we've got to let you go. We've got a 5* coming in at your position and we need to make room on the roster." Why should only the players have the option to pursue what they think is a better opportunity? If they can do it, teams should be able to do it as well.

It's not something I would have previously considered, but with all the power given to players to hang coaches and teams out to dry, I think it's only fair for it work both ways.

Players aren't cut, they're told honestly where they are on the depth chart and what their playing time will be next season. The coaches will tell the player they'll do all they can to help them find a school they can be successful at. For example, EJ Jenkins after the spring game.

 

[ToddFlanders]

Don't mean to insert facts into a classic GC circle jerk, but all scholarships at all NCAA schools are 4 year commitments as of 5-6 years ago. Of course, that doesn't mean that schools don't find ways to push kids out the door behind the scenes. But you haven't been able to decline to renew a kid's scholly for some time.

We now return to your regularly scheduled debate over how many angels can dance on the head of pin

No.

 

[Prestonyte]

Don't mean to insert facts into a classic GC circle jerk, but all scholarships at all NCAA schools are 4 year commitments as of 5-6 years ago. Of course, that doesn't mean that schools don't find ways to push kids out the door behind the scenes. But you haven't been able to decline to renew a kid's scholly for some time.

We now return to your regularly scheduled debate over how many angels can dance on the head of pin

One sided 4 yr commitments with no teeth protecting the supplier of the scholarship. Which is why we have out of control free agency, without penalty, at the college level and the NFL does not.

 

[DarkCock]

I seem to recall Spurrier suggesting a few players transfer. I guess that's a strong hint they won't have a schollie renewed. It probably seemed like a win-win to him. Use the schollie on someone else and the player moves down to a level where they're more likely to stand see the field. Some of those players are insistent they play a position they aren't best suited for. IDK what would happen if they didn't take the hint. As for during the season, you'd just get benched or find yourself in the permanently in the coach's doghouse.

Yes, one kid was from Irmo, the other from Pageland. It was a big stink at the time.

 

[81 Alumnus]

No.

https://informedathlete.com/the-facts-about-guaranteed-multi-year-ncaa-di-scholarships/
"In 2015, the NCAA Division I “Power 5” Schools implemented a rule that has the effect of “protecting” Division I student-athletes from having their athletic scholarship cancelled or not renewed for any athletics reason. Quite simply, a coach cannot take away a scholarship for poor athletic performance.
Here are several facts about this rule:
– This new rule was voted in by the universities of the “Power 5” conferences – the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, PAC-12, and SEC, as well as Notre Dame. This rule must be followed by these 65 universities.
In 2015, the NCAA Division I “Power 5” Schools implemented a rule that has the effect of “protecting” Division I student-athletes from having their athletic scholarship cancelled or not renewed for any athletics reason."


But I'm sure you can find some guy on Truth Social who says otherwise. And as a free thinker, you're rolling with that

 

[18IsTheMan]

Players aren't cut, they're told honestly where they are on the depth chart and what their playing time will be next season. The coaches will tell the player they'll do all they can to help them find a school they can be successful at. For example, EJ Jenkins after the spring game.

Yes, exactly. I’m talking about the straight up cutting a guy. “You’re not getting it done. We need to make room on the roster. Clean your locker out you’re done.”

if players can do it, why shouldn’t coaches?

 

[18IsTheMan]

One sided 4 yr commitments with no teeth protecting the supplier of the scholarship. Which is why we have out of control free agency, without penalty, at the college level and the NFL does not.

Uh, yeah, not much of a “contract” when one side can break the contract at any time, for any reason and with no penalty.

 

[The Reel Ess]

Yes, one kid was from Irmo, the other from Pageland. It was a big stink at the time.

Yeah, I recall some HS coaches saying we weren't welcome at their school anymore.

 

[Viennacock]

Uh, yeah, not much of a “contract” when one side can break the contract at any time, for any reason and with no penalty.

Most players attend a particular school because of the current coaching staff. Coached leave all the time with little to no penalty. The playing field had been leveled.

 

[Maxcy]

No, I mean flat-out cut. I know how those meetings go, as discussed above.

Also, to my second question, coaches should be able to cut someone loose bc they have a better player coming in.

None of this suggestion stuff. “Sorry, your done. Pack your locker and leave..”

The language may not be so harsh, but it doesn't have to be. Most players understand that the suggestion is essentially a directive. They are being counseled out, and off they go.

Do you want them to instead request a last meal before they face the firing squad?

 

[winloseortie]

How players are cut

Coach: So where are you planning on playing next season?

 

[Surfcock]

I seem to recall Spurrier suggesting a few players transfer. I guess that's a strong hint they won't have a schollie renewed. It probably seemed like a win-win to him. Use the schollie on someone else and the player moves down to a level where they're more likely to stand see the field. Some of those players are insistent they play a position they aren't best suited for. IDK what would happen if they didn't take the hint. As for during the season, you'd just get benched or find yourself in the permanently in the coach's doghouse.

From what I recall about Spurrier, the guys he cut had major attitude issues, stealing and other things happening off the field

One guy and his dad I remember made a big stink about it. Went somewhere else and got in more trouble, proving Spurrier was right

When Spurrier came in the program was in bad shape since Holtz didn’t do anything with the bad seeds he had brought in. I think the RB Summers had failed 3 or 4 drug tests before he “had” to let him go

Not a fan of Deon but sometimes you have to shock the whole team to get it back on course

 

[The Reel Ess]

From what I recall about Spurrier, the guys he cut had major attitude issues, stealing and other things happening off the field

One guy and his dad I remember made a big stink about it. Went somewhere else and got in more trouble, proving Spurrier was right

When Spurrier came in the program was in bad shape since Holtz didn’t do anything with the bad seeds he had brought in. I think the RB Summers had failed 3 or 4 drug tests before he “had” to let him go

Not a fan of Deon but sometimes you have to shock the whole team to get it back on course

I remember him sending some troublemakers packing right off the bat. But I'm talking about later on in his tenure here.

 

[WARCOCKS]

Does it happen? Seems players come in on scholarship and, even if they're terrible, hang around for the full 4 or 5 years and get their free education. With all that's going on with the portal and NIL stuff, it seems that teams should be given some power to control their roster instead of being wholly at the mercy of the whims of the players.

Better yet, coaches should have the freedom to say "Sorry, we've got to let you go. We've got a 5* coming in at your position and we need to make room on the roster." Why should only the players have the option to pursue what they think is a better opportunity? If they can do it, teams should be able to do it as well.

It's not something I would have previously considered, but with all the power given to players to hang coaches and teams out to dry, I think it's only fair for it work both ways.

I don’t think any have been cut but rather told to look elsewhere.

 

[Spot The Ball]

The negative side is if you do this to a player that you recruited the fallout could be when the same high school has a 4 or 5* the high school coach would/Could stop you from coming on school grounds recruiting the kid.
The high school coach could very well stir the player to another team. It is a slippery slope.

IF I recall correctly I believe this happen when Spurrier was here. I don't remember the player or high school but I do remember none of the coaching staff was allowed back at the school.

High school relationships are very important when it comes to recruiting.

 

[Viennacock]

The negative side is if you do this to a player that you recruited the fallout could be when the same high school has a 4 or 5* the high school coach would/Could stop you from coming on school grounds recruiting the kid.
The high school coach could very well stir the player to another team. It is a slippery slope.

IF I recall correctly I believe this happen when Spurrier was here. I don't remember the player or high school but I do remember none of the coaching staff was allowed back at the school.

High school relationships are very important when it comes to recruiting.

Agreed. Dumb to flat out cut even if you could. Shane is handling it correctly.