where are the people crowing about the Pac-9 this week?

[Coach34]

I'm not seeing any more threads about how much tougher it was than the rest of college baseball after the flops in the Supers</p>

 

[graddawg]

Didn't you post basically the same thing last night?

 

[patdog]

they did exactly what they were supposed to do. They hosted 1 super and were on the road for 2 and went 1-2. Bottom line is, it's still a great conference. One of their losses was at Miami. I have little doubt that either Georgia or LSU would have lost a super at Miami. Arizona State just choked, plain and simple. Couldn't happen to a better bunch of guys or a better coach.

But the PAC 10 is still a great baseball conference top to bottom. The SEC champions played 6 games against PAC 10 schools with losing conference records and only went 2-4. That should give you an idea of the relative strength of the 2 conferences.

 

[Coach34]

they dont like to answer when things blow up for them

 

[Coach34]

"The SEC champions played 6 games against PAC 10 schools with losing conference records and only went 2-4. That should give you an idea of the relative strength of the 2 conferences. "

that really doesnt make a **** and you know it. One team playing a couple of series doesnt show the strength of a conference. The SEC champion was also the first eliminated from the SEC Tourney

 

[patdog]

"One team playing a couple of series doesnt show the strength of a conference.

Then why are you crowing about 2 teams winning 2 series (both at home) last weekend? </p>

 

[Coach34]

"One team playing a couple of series doesnt show the strength of a conference.

Then why are you crowing about 2 teams winning 2 series (both at home) last weekend?</p>

</p>because there is a difference in winning series in March and in June...

 

[futaba.79]

did the conference proud and I'm glad they did. However, by no means are the facts I presented wrong.

 

[patdog]

doesn't say anything about the rest of the conference any more than Arizona State and Arizona losing one says about the rest of the PAC 10. We proved last year that getting to Omaha doesn't necessarily say much about how good of a team you had.

 

[Stormrider81]

They were awefully close to getting swept out of their own Super Regional to UC Irvine.

 

[Stormrider81]

nm

 

[davatron]

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[dogfan96]

Arizona got home-towned in Miami. I know "that's baseball", but the homeplate umpire was giving the Miami pitchers strikes that were literally a foot off the plate. They got some gift strike outs that killed Arizona rallies. I know all that matters is scoreboard but Arizona looked like the better team to me.

 

[Coach34]

LSU on life-support?

They won the game, plain and simple. Doesnt matter when you score. Just shows Irvine ran out of pitching and wasnt that great a club.

Arizona got hosed?

I'm willing to bet the umpires they had werent from Miami

good grief

 

[patdog]

LSU on life-support?

They won the game, plain and simple. Doesnt matter when you score. Just shows Irvine ran out of pitching and wasnt that great a club.

Arizona got hosed?

I'm willing to bet the umpires they had werent from Miami

good grief

Agree completely about LSU. They won the game. As for Arizona getting hosed, well the home team won 13 of the 16 regionals and 6 of the 8 super-regionals this year, so it's not out of the question that there may have been some home cooking along the way. Referees and umpires have a known tendency to make calls in favor of the home team. I'm not even beginning to suggest the umpires intentionally screwed Arizona or anybody else. Just that it's a known fact that the home teams usually get the better of the calls.

But the bottom line about the SEC is it only had 2 regional hosts and there really weren't even any others that could make much of a case they got hosed by not hosting. And there's no other way to spin that except that the SEC overall was down this year. LSU earned their national seed, but Georgia got a huge gift from the selection committee.

 

[williecunningham]

"One team playing a couple of series doesnt show the strength of a conference.

Then why are you crowing about 2 teams winning 2 series (both at home) last weekend?</p>

because there is a difference in winning series in March and in June...

</p>John Cohen will be sorry to hear that.

 

[jwbigcreek]

but (if I can count):

PAC-10 CWS titles: 24
SEC CWS titles: 6

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/college/news/2003/06/14/cws_results/

Historically, there's no comparison.

 

[Coach34]

The Pac-9 hasnt been all that tough since the rest of the country stepped it up in college baseball. Since 1990, the SEC has more series titles. That tells you all you need to know. Especially since Oregon St won the last 2, but still the SEC has more in the last 18 years

 

[dogfan96]

that series was probably the first college baseball I've seen this year and the only reason I watched it is because there wasn't much else on in the way of sports. I'm just telling you what I saw. In the 2nd game, the homeplate umpire did his best "Eric Gregg calling Livan Hernandez vs the Braves" impersonation. The guy was calling strikes on pitches in the other batter's box. I'm not saying he was from Miami but you and I both know the home crowd can sway subjective officiating in any sport. I could give a damn about the SEC vs. the Pac-10 in college baseball but I do know baseball and Arizona was as good as Miami and probably better.

 

[Stormrider81]

while the Pac-10 has two. You see, it's easy to pick a random period of time to make your point.

About the SEC having 6 titles in the last 18 years you must remember 5 of those came from one school. Take LSU away and the SEC has won a whopping one national title in baseball. Now, I don't put this up to run down the SEC, but rather to show a few things. 1) That the SEC's only claim to dominance resides in Baton Rouge, LA. 2) That you can change the scenario to support your argument. The bottom line is the SEC hasn't traditionally been nor is currently the top conference in baseball. Is it tough? Absolutely. Is it a great place to play and watch college baseball? Again, absolutely. Still the Pac-10 is traditionally and currently better than the SEC.

Now I want you to contrast that with college football. Even though Bear Bryant and Bama comprise a lot of national titles, the SEC has still had 4 different teams and 6 different coaches win the national title in the same time period you pointed to for baseball. None of those coaches won more than 1. In basketball, a sport the SEC definantly doesn't lay claim to dominance in, in the same time period 2 different teams and 3 different coaches won the national title. One of the 3 coaches won more than 1. In both sports the SEC can point to numerous championships won before the era in question.

 

[8dog]

is no way to determine the better conference. The Pac 10 may be better but its not b/c of nat'l titles.

The ACC has more teams in the CWS than anyone this year and they've never won a nat'l title.