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Had a discussion with a friend at lunch today about a couple of former football coaches from a Power 5 conference. We couldn't agree on who the better of two bad coaches was so I'm curious to hear what other people think.

Coach A
Won 38.2% of his overall games and 15.2% of conference games
Had one winning season
No bowl games

Coach B
Won 35.6% of his overall games and 25.0% of conference games
Had one winning season
One bowl game

Both guys coached for similar periods of time. Who are you picking as the lesser of two bad choices?
 
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It probably matters where they were coaching. If one is at a school with a solid history and the other's not, that colors the perception.
 
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Coach B sounds a lot like Sly Croom— same conference record (.250), one bowl game, but the overall record — edit ah… rounded up.

mmm. no.

Run Away GIF


just wait for a few years when we have these questions about Lemonis as Coach B…
 
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I agree with AT360. Overall record is pretty much a wash but a few more conference wins and one bowl game
 
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Coach B seems like the clear winner, no? A bowl game and a substantially better conference record?
 
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FQDawg said:
Had a discussion with a friend at lunch today about a couple of former football coaches from a Power 5 conference. We couldn't agree on who the better of two bad coaches was so I'm curious to hear what other people think.

Coach A
Won 38.2% of his overall games and 15.2% of conference games
Had one winning season
No bowl games

Coach B
Won 35.6% of his overall games and 25.0% of conference games
Had one winning season
One bowl game

Both guys coached for similar periods of time. Who are you picking as the lesser of two bad choices?
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I am just now seeing this post…. There’s really no way to make this decision without a good bit more context.

If one guy coaches and Ark. State and the other at Ohio State…. Outside of that, you’re flying blind.
 
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Are the names being withheld to protect the innocent ? **

edited...sounds like Felker and Croom
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It is Felker (A) and Croom (B). My buddy threw out the "Croom was a better coach than Felker" bomb at lunch, which I laughed at. But we looked at the numbers and they obviously aren't much different. Felker was 21-34, 5-28 SEC in his five years. Croom was 21-38, 10-30 SEC in his five years.

I still don't completely agree with him. I think Felker left Sherrill a better program than Croom left Mullen. And Croom has a bowl game under his belt simply because there were so many more bowl games in 2007 than there were in the 80s. But I was surprised that the overall records were so similar and that Croom had a better SEC record.

**Though if you think this comparison is dumb, just wait until I throw out the Moorhead (56.0 overall winning percentage, 43.8 SEC winning percentage) versus Leach (54.1 overall winning percentage, 42.3 SEC winning percentage) comparison.**
 
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FQDawg said:
It is Felker (A) and Croom (B). My buddy threw out the "Croom was a better coach than Felker" bomb at lunch, which I laughed at. But we looked at the numbers and they obviously aren't much different. Felker was 21-34, 5-28 SEC in his five years. Croom was 21-38, 10-30 SEC in his five years.

I still don't completely agree with him. I think Felker left Sherrill a better program than Croom left Mullen. And Croom has a bowl game under his belt simply because there were so many more bowl games in 2007 than there were in the 80s. But I was surprised that the overall records were so similar and that Croom had a better SEC record.

**Though if you think this comparison is dumb, just wait until I throw out the Moorhead (56.0 overall winning percentage, 43.8 SEC winning percentage) versus Leach (54.1 overall winning percentage, 42.3 SEC winning percentage) comparison.**
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This blew my mind for about 3 seconds, until I remembered that Leach had the Covid year.
 
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FQDawg said:
It is Felker (A) and Croom (B). My buddy threw out the "Croom was a better coach than Felker" bomb at lunch, which I laughed at. But we looked at the numbers and they obviously aren't much different. Felker was 21-34, 5-28 SEC in his five years. Croom was 21-38, 10-30 SEC in his five years.

I still don't completely agree with him. I think Felker left Sherrill a better program than Croom left Mullen. And Croom has a bowl game under his belt simply because there were so many more bowl games in 2007 than there were in the 80s. But I was surprised that the overall records were so similar and that Croom had a better SEC record.

**Though if you think this comparison is dumb, just wait until I throw out the Moorhead (56.0 overall winning percentage, 43.8 SEC winning percentage) versus Leach (54.1 overall winning percentage, 42.3 SEC winning percentage) comparison.**
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That is absolutely mind boggling. And as crazy as it seems, Croom left Mullen a legit NFL HOF candidate with Cox. And, Mullen took right over and didn’t skip a beat.

I knew Felker wasn’t great here as a coach, but that’s a lot to digest. In multiple directions.
 
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I lived through both. Felker was definitely worse. But to be fair, he had less resources to work with than Croom did.
 
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patdog said:
I lived through both. Felker was definitely worse. But to be fair, he had less resources to work with than Croom did.
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I only caught the last two years of Felker, which were both 5-6 years so it didn’t seem too bad. With Croom, it felt like we were lucky to win games at all.
 
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FQDawg said:
I only caught the last two years of Felker, which were both 5-6 years so it didn’t seem too bad. With Croom, it felt like we were lucky to win games at all.
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Even in Felker last 2 years we were only 2-12 in SEC games. Both were terrible. It’s close to say who was worse, but it really doesn’t matter. Neither had any business ever coaching in the SEC.
 
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Poor Felker had Murder’s Row with Auburn, Bama, LSU, and Ole Miss all in a row. Our athletic administration certainty did not do him any favors. 2012 was the closest anyone else came close to those schedules, and we see how that year turned out.
 
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Leach didn’t inherit the best defense in the country and no OOC games Covid year
leach Didn’t have a starting LB KNICK YOUR QB…. Leach vs Moorhead should never be compared ever
 
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To me, this shows how much name recognition or maybe reputation can make a difference in how people think. Or at least how I think.

I would have argued for the rest of time that Felker had a better record than Croom - even with Tech and 10 on his resume. But that's based in large part on the fact that Felker is "part of the family." Whereas Croom was just a guy we hired who didn't do a very good job while he was here.

So those actual records - especially the SEC records - are not what I would have expected.
 
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patdog said:
Even in Felker last 2 years we were only 2-12 in SEC games. Both were terrible. It’s close to say who was worse, but it really doesn’t matter. Neither had any business ever coaching in the SEC.
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But even with that SEC record, Sherrill reminded us at a Bulldog gathering that Felker was 10 points from still being our football coach
 
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