Who is your choice to replace Woody

[Todd4State]

as OC?

Let's face it, if/when our offense sucks and we plummet to 3-9, there are going to have to be some changes to be made. And as the offense is likely to suck again, it seems that McCorvey is a likely scapegoat. Also factor in that we have an AD with some balls. (I'm still not quite used to it myself)

My realistic choice- Chris Hatcher, Valdosta State. Being an OC in the SEC would be a nice stepping stone to landing a nice I-A job. Plus, he has done a great job at Valdosta.

Also on my list:

Al Borges- I thought he did a great job at Auburn.
Gus Mahlzahn- that would make the Egg Bowl a little bit more interesting in the fall.
Jeff Rutledge- he did OK at Vandy, and we have to have someone with Bama ties as a candidate.
Rocky Felker- rumored to be calling plays in games where the offense does well. (Conspiracy?)
Watson Brown- he was the last good OC we had anyway.

 

[Todd4State]

as OC?

Let's face it, if/when our offense sucks and we plummet to 3-9, there are going to have to be some changes to be made. And as the offense is likely to suck again, it seems that McCorvey is a likely scapegoat. Also factor in that we have an AD with some balls. (I'm still not quite used to it myself)

My realistic choice- Chris Hatcher, Valdosta State. Being an OC in the SEC would be a nice stepping stone to landing a nice I-A job. Plus, he has done a great job at Valdosta.

Also on my list:

Al Borges- I thought he did a great job at Auburn.
Gus Mahlzahn- that would make the Egg Bowl a little bit more interesting in the fall.
Jeff Rutledge- he did OK at Vandy, and we have to have someone with Bama ties as a candidate.
Rocky Felker- rumored to be calling plays in games where the offense does well. (Conspiracy?)
Watson Brown- he was the last good OC we had anyway.

 

[Todd4State]

as OC?

Let's face it, if/when our offense sucks and we plummet to 3-9, there are going to have to be some changes to be made. And as the offense is likely to suck again, it seems that McCorvey is a likely scapegoat. Also factor in that we have an AD with some balls. (I'm still not quite used to it myself)

My realistic choice- Chris Hatcher, Valdosta State. Being an OC in the SEC would be a nice stepping stone to landing a nice I-A job. Plus, he has done a great job at Valdosta.

Also on my list:

Al Borges- I thought he did a great job at Auburn.
Gus Mahlzahn- that would make the Egg Bowl a little bit more interesting in the fall.
Jeff Rutledge- he did OK at Vandy, and we have to have someone with Bama ties as a candidate.
Rocky Felker- rumored to be calling plays in games where the offense does well. (Conspiracy?)
Watson Brown- he was the last good OC we had anyway.

 

[Henry Kissinger]

Norman Joseph.

 

[VirgilCain]

Croom has said "on record" that the problem with not having enough black coaches in america is the fact that not enough black position coaches get promoted to coordinator positions... so i doubt he will go outside of the "family" to find coordinators... i'm not opposed to this, unless Cheese does a terrible job this year. If Cheese sucks then i will promptly sing a different tune.

 

[studentdawg87]

I like the idea of Malzhan or another innovative coach who will bring excitement into the program.</p>

 

[basedog]

To early to play the what if game. Although we have sucked and we probably will suck, but we haven't played a second yet. Croom said we will be improved on offense so lets play the games! I see 6 and 6 with a good chance of being 7 and 5, for us that wouldn't be bad as I see better talent on the horizon.

 

[Indndawg]

just really anybody w/a body temp and heartbeat could beat this crap.</p>

Seriously, I'd like use the same template as finding a HC. Find a young, energetic, firey RB, OL,or ASST O at a smaller school. Make sure he has a proven record of success and hire him.</p>

The Woodrow still ain't workin'</p>

 

[Todd4State]

we all know what's going to happen. The writing is on the wall. I predict that Croom will be "pressured" into getting rid of McCorvey after we lose the Egg Bowl 13-0 to finish 3-9.

 

[OEMDawg]

Have your fun at being sarcastic now. But I guarantee you when we lose a game that we are supposed to win and/or finish 3-9, it will be people like you, the "everything is alright" crowd that will be whining and bitching the loudest.

 

[TR.sixpack]

He's the architect of the offense. Not much will change until he's gone, philosophy-wise.

 

[Agentdog]

I do not see Croom firing Woody under any circumstances. The only way Woody leaves is if he gets a HC job somewhere......yes, I know that is laughable. Or Croom gets so frustrated he quits. Which will take a couple of more years of losing records and bad offenses. Not that I want that to happen.....but just saying what it will take for Woody to leave. </p>

 

[Todd4State]

that I'm picking our team to go 3-9? I'm really not being sarcastic. Despite last season, I don't think everything IS alright.

This team has tasted winning, but I don't think they know how to handle success. They are still very much learning that. This is the first season that this group of players has ever had where people were slapping them on the back and telling them how good they were, well other than the usual sheep and frat boy crowd that just wants someone high profile to attend their party. And the other teams in the SEC are saying, well, we're going to have to come to play against MSU because they "could" beat us. We're not going to sneak up on Florida anymore.

We have an offense that has struggled- Coach lets us know about it everyday. And despite the fact that people get tired of hearing about it, it's unfortunately true. And now Croom gets this crazy idea to use two QB's, and the last thing we need to do is experiment unless it's something that involves throwing on downs other than third down. Our WR's are basically a walk-on all-star squad. We lost our All-SEC LT. We have a new DC, and while he may be good, we don't know. He could be Ron Cooper II as much as he could be Ellis Johnson II. We have Blake McShank on ST.

THEN you throw in the fact that we have what amounts to a "trap" game with La Tech on the road. We lose to them, and the season is once again in the ******* before Labor Day.

Oh, I did I mention that we ARE M-State. I wouldn't be surprised if when the were deciding where to put Scott Field back in the day someone said, "Well ya know, there's this old Indian mound on campus that we've been trying to get rid of." We are the team that loses to a team with a walk-on QB basically throwing a ball up for grabs while our CB is looking at butterflies. We play Arkansas and lose the entire defense. We keep kicking the damn ball to Derek Abney even after returning SIX TD's on PUNT RETURNS. The team that can't cross the 50 against LSU, that lets UF put a score on the board for the water boy, that allows Jim Bob Cooter to get some playing time, the one team where Vandy is a "good matchup". And to make matters worse, we play Bama well only to be kicked in the nuts time and time again by some BS. We are the team that Tulane thanks for the check. Also, as far as I know, we are the ONLY team in NCAA history to lose a game because the wind knocked down a FG that would have been good.

I don't know what crowd I'm in- I honestly try to be objective- but I don't think I'm in the "everything is alright" crowd.

But I will promise you this- IF I am right, I will at least have the decency to not gloat, and I won't be all that happy that we're sucking, even if it means that I was right. I promise you that.

 

[dawgman42]

He's better than anything we have now . . .

 

[basedog]

it all bad to have folks telling one they are good, better than hearing you ain't worth 17. Also, football is about team chemistry, believing and the basics, tackling and blocking. Yeah you need coaching and talent, but winning like we did last year should do wonders for our program and thats confidence. Croom has plenty and it will start showing more and more with the more talent he gets which we all can tell is getting better.
3 and 9 is way down my list, I believe we will win 6 games fairly easy, now that 7th game might be tough to attain but I wouldn't be surprise.
Btw, I have to laugh at the post below about who coached what and what they know. I coached as well and I coached championship teams, hard work and believing go a loong way and teaching fundamentals is the most important aspect to any game you coach.

 

[Brutius]

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[8dog]

b/c that's the only thing that can change if Croom is the head man--the play calling.

 

[SLUdog]

seasons with 3 wins or less....his firing will have nothing to do with his skin color. I don't think he'd get fired if we were 3-9 this year so the race thing might actually work in his favor sometimes. Honestly, I never thought Croom would have a winning season and I was glad to be wrong about it. I hope he succeeds but if he's fired it will have nothing to do with his race and most fans want him to succeed. I also recognize that some fans (a minority) may want him to fail because he's black.

 

[Todd4State]

especially about the hard work, and I think that's why I like Croom better than Jackie. Which I find unusual because JWS won more, so far at least, but I really do like what Croom emphasizes. I wouldn't want Croom fired even if he did go 3-9 because as you have said, he is starting to get some better talent, it seems which means that in theory he should do better. And I want him to succeed. To me he is different (besides the obvious skin color thing) in that he really does want to try to win with a team that has good character and that's something that's important to him. I also like how he actually has a long range plan for MSU football.

 

[megadawgmaniac]

WOO WOO!

AA - woo woo

 

[OEMDawg]

Looking back at the stats, Carroll was 5-10 for 49 yards in the 2nd half of that game. Basically we ran it up the gut with Ducre and Dixon for the entire 2nd half.

If you wanted to look at a highlight film of our best offensive performances of the year, you take the 2nd half against Tulane, the first 2 drives against SC, and the first half against Kentucky. The rest you can pretty much flush down the crapper.</p>

 

[patdog]

The criticisms of Croom don't have a damn thing to do with his race. They have everything to do with his offense. And if he can prove he can win consistently without an offense (I have my very serious doubts), people will quit bitching about that as much too.</p>

 

[js290]

The criticisms of Croom don't have a damn thing to do with his race. They have everything to do with his offense. And if he can prove he can win consistently without an offense (I have my very serious doubts), people will quit bitching about that as much too.</p>

</p>That's ******** and you know it. Maybe the next OC will be one of the other know-it-alls here...

 

[Indndawg]

It seems to always be the Libs playing the race card.</p>

Get a life and a clue</p>

 

[ArrowDawg]

....die if we ever hire a real, proven OC. It might just be too much to handle.</p>

 

[AssEndDawg]

...it seems that McCorvey is a likely scapegoat.

Just saying, McCorvey hasn't done **** on offense since he's been here, so if he gets canned he flat deserves it. Wouldn't be a scapegoat.
</p>

 

[patdog]

with an offense ranked below #100 for 4 years in a row wouldn't be catching hell from the fans??? Hell, people bitched about most of Sherrill's offenses and almost none of them were ranked below #100. And they were all coordinated by white men. So yeah, people are bitching about McCorvey just because he's black. That's one of the dumbest things I've heard.</p>

 

[Phil Wenneck.sixpack]

he was worth during his tenure here but his offenses were Spurrier-esque in comparison to what we've done the last 4 years. This is the golden age of offense nowadays like never before. The old adage that defense wins championships is still true to a large extent but did Hawaii make the Sugar Bowl on defense? Sure, they got their asses handed to them but it still went to show that good offensive mentality is starting to overcome at least some of the defensive championship theories from the past. Boise State winning the Fiesta Bowl a couple years back is another example. We live in a football world where innovation and the willingness to adopt change is a must. It doesn't matter if you're running the WCO, a basic stone age I form every play, the wishbone, what color you are, where you're from, how old you are, etc,....when you're finishing each and every season ranked in the 100's+ and getting salary increases and extensions, there are going to be people rightfully expecting results.

 

[js290]

with an offense ranked below #100 for 4 years in a row wouldn't be catching hell from the fans??? Hell, people bitched about most of Sherrill's offenses and almost none of them were ranked below #100. And they were all coordinated by white men. So yeah, people are bitching about McCorvey just because he's black.</p>

How many offensive points per game did the 1999 team score per game? 1999 is unarguably one of the best, if not the best, football season MSU has ever had. Not all PF are offensive points.

That's one of the dumbest things I've heard.

The dumbest thing I've ever heard is people on message boards talking like they know what the %##% is going on. But that's just me...

 

[Spotdawg]

Puerto Rican child molester (allegedly) if he could put a solid 21 to 30 pts on the board per game.

We JUST HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES....and SOON. If this season doesn't see some very vivid and productive changes, then it's incumbent upon Greg Byrne to break up the Sly Hiring Party and find someone with an ounce of offensive creativity.

Distill this whole discussion down to one word ...... CREATIVITY.... not race, not notoriety, nothing but yards....just find someone who can put the points on the board.

edited: spelling mistake

 

[josebrown]

1. Sleepy Robinson- I don't know how successful he's been, but he's still coaching. I always liked Sleepy and his offense would probably be fun to watch and unpredictable. I would not be called a racist for supporting him I don't think, but my name is josebrown, so who knows....

2. Rockey- After what he did to UK last year, Hell Yea, but he probably wouldn't because then he would be accountable and subject to another firing.

3. Wesley Carroll- Since he called the end of the Liberty Bowl according to him. Let him have this thing right now and Tyson Lee can QB until we get the kid from Meridian on campus.

4. Coach34- anyone except Woody and Coach34 seems to have all the answers.

Thats my thoughts and I promise there is no racism behind the thinking.

 

[dawgstudent]

that's the dumbest **** I have ever heard. The race of Croom has no bearing. And you know why people weren't bitching, we weren't coming off of 6 previous years of suckitude. Some think last year was anomaly. Unlike 1999 where State won an SEC West championship the previous year.

Aren't you one of the people on message boards acting like they know what's going on? So way to contribute to the problem...at least according to yourself. You sir, are an idiot.

 

[Coach34]

2007- 113th in total offense
1999- 88th total offense

25 spots higher and 30 yards a game makes a difference whether you are smart enough to know it or not...The funniest thing- 1999 was Jackie's worst offense in his tenure, yet it is much higher than any offense Crooms has yet put together...

It aint cause he's black moron- its cause he suxxxxxx

 

[Todd4State]

is that was Jackie's best year. I do think that the offense would have been a little bit better had we played the Pre-Barnhill's Dontae and Dicenzo more than Rainey.

Of course, that team also had our best defense under Jackie as well, along with argueably the most clutch kicker in MSU history.

 

[Coach34]

is that sooooo many fans raised so much hell that year about the offense and how we knew that was what was holding us back from a NC...yet, it is 20 spots higher than any group Crooms has EVER produced...and that group by Jackie was TERRIBLE- even by his standards...

The people that arent yet sold on Crooms are the ones that realize this...We are the ones that see he heads up the offense, and every year it is among the worst in the nation...that says alot

 

[HD6]

we scored 255 points in 12 games. I remember Ashley Cooper taking a pick back that year, but not a lot else defensively. Last year was the first year Croom had a team score that many points, and it took 13 games and 5 defensive touchdowns to get to 279.

I'll be perfectly comfortable scoring that few points a year if you are telling me our defense going forward will be as dominant as it was in 1999. I mean it was only one of the greatest in college football history, so that shouldn't be too hard to fill.</p>

 

[HD6]

to a Rule 7 violation, that's for sure.

Ahh, the vicious circle. I'm going to complain about these morons who think they know more than the coaches, even though I'm not a coach myself, and all the statistical evidence is on their side. Seriously, why didn't you just tell me to call the coach if I have a question. I'd email, but DS will tell you you don't get a response.

 

[Todd4State]

I'm not even disputing it. All I'm saying is that our best team under Jackie won with a less than stellar offense, and in fact his worst, unless you're pulling a USCReb on us and making up stats.

Honestly I'm not sure that our offense cost us a chance at a NC as much as the officials against Bama and Arkansas. But on the other hand, we didn't have the offense to overcome the officials in both of those cases either.

At any rate, apparently you can win a lot of games if the other team can't score. I don't think that can be disputed.

 

[Todd4State]

was the year we scored a bunch on defense and ST's. I think a lot of people confuse those two teams because they had some of the same players.

Off the top of my head, we scored a defensive TD against Vandy, Ole Miss, UT, and South Carolina.

On ST, we scored a TD against South Carolina, UT (Kevin Prentiss!), and Auburn- we had at least two blocked punts and recovered the KO.

I'm may have missed one or two here and there.

 

[HD6]

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