Why'd Cam drop so far in draft?

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He was initially predicted as a mid-first rounder by most, though some had him earlier. Didn't get picked last night though. I assume he'll get picked up pretty early in the second round and someone is gonna get a steal. Any ideas why he dropped so much? I don't really follow the NFL that closely but took a quick glance this morning at the first round picks.

I saw Levis fell out of the first round. During the season they kept touting him as a potential #1.
 
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I believe it is his weight and too many penalties. That contributed to his stats you know. Add 10 yards for each of his holding calls to the receivers catch totals and it starts to add up. Still a good cover guy but they must have seen something in his tape. plus head space
 

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I think the others have it covered. He's a penalty machine and he didn't do any agility drills at the combine or our pro day so it begs the question if he's nursing an injury or just was being lazy and didn't feel like doing it.
 

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He was initially predicted as a mid-first rounder by most, though some had him earlier. Didn't get picked last night though. I assume he'll get picked up pretty early in the second round and someone is gonna get a steal. Any ideas why he dropped so much? I don't really follow the NFL that closely but took a quick glance this morning at the first round picks.

I saw Levis fell out of the first round. During the season they kept touting him as a potential #1.
Pretty sure it was his "drop yo nuts" comment.
 

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Draft is always a crap shoot.....but I do think the Panthers did the smart thing.
 

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Good article on Levis and Reddit and Hype LOL

2023 NFL Draft: Will Levis is latest victim of league's hype machine, suffering indignity of awkward green room shots​

Kentucky QB goes from potential No. 1 pick to unselected in first round​

Dan Wetzel

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Fri, Apr 28, 2023, 7:16 AM EDT·5 min read



Will Levis' green room wait continues - who could draft the Kentucky QB? | PFF 2023 NFL Draft Show




Will Levis' green room wait continues - who could draft the Kentucky QB? | PFF 2023 NFL Draft Show


Early this week, someone went on Reddit and claimed that University of Kentucky quarterback Will Levis was “telling friends and family Carolina will in fact take him on Thursday.”

You might not think an anonymous poster (SaleAgreeable2834) on a random thread would be noticed, let alone taken seriously, but this is the NFL Draft where everything and anything goes.

As such, the fact that someone was claiming inside info that Levis was about to become the 2023 No. 1 overall draft pick became not just “news.” It actually impacted the betting markets (yes, you can bet on this thing).
The odds Levis would go first overall to Carolina quickly fell from 40-to-1 to just 4-to-1 as sports books tried to hedge against it being true.

Levis actually became the betting favorite to go second overall to the Houston Texans.

It wasn’t just the bettors though. Mock drafts, as well, were adjusted accordingly, if not putting Levis at the top of the draft, cementing him in the top two selections. Websites, radio, television segments and more breathlessly discussed Levis as a possible No. 1 and a reasonable No. 2.


Well, if you needed a reminder on the predictive value of betting markets or mock drafts, let alone Reddit posts, it was apparent Thursday during the seemingly endless ESPN cutaways to Levis sitting on a couch in a quickly emptying NFL Draft green room, trying to look natural as he spoke with his family and waited for someone to pick him.
Carolina did not, in fact, select him first overall (the Panthers went with Alabama QB Bryce Young). Levis didn’t go No. 2 either —Houston took CJ Stroud. He didn’t go in the top five or 10 or 20, either.

Will Levis, once a 4-to-1 bet to go first overall, didn’t get drafted at all Thursday. He’ll have to wait for Round 2 or (gulp) later when the draft resumes Friday.

Meanwhile SaleAgreeable2834 deleted their Reddit account.
Levis is going to get drafted and should consider that a tremendous accomplishment. The greatest QB of all time went 199th, after all. And really, all Levis did was add his name to a lengthy list of guys who “slid” in the draft and had to endure becoming the embarrassing focus of the first round. That includes Hall of Famers (Warren Sapp), future Hall of Famers (Aaron Rodgers) and, of course, complete busts (Johnny Manziel).

You never know.
Levis is a unique circus of his own. He didn’t fall from his projected spot because of character doubts or health questions. That is one thing.
Levis’ biggest “red flag” is his propensity for making comical videos, including the time he ate a banana with the peel still on or the one where he put mayonnaise in his coffee.

In truth, it seems like he was never considered an elite draft prospect by the people who actually make draft picks. It turns out no one wanted him. At least not in the first round.

He may have been a figment of the NFL Draft machine imagination, a name that got so hyped up and hyped up and hyped up that people were actually throwing real gambling dollars down on him being the No. 1 overall selection.
Maybe everyone should have seen this coming. He was good at Kentucky, but hardly top-pick good. He began his career at Penn State, got beat for the starting job and then transferred to Lexington where across two seasons he completed 65.7 percent of his passes and threw 43 touchdowns against 23 interceptions.
Yet there he was, front and center in the NFL’s peculiar draft hype machine. Will Levis. Will Levis. Will Levis. Day after day after day.

Somewhere along the way, he became a believable top-five pick because people said he was a top-five pick.
Was any of it true?
 

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Good article on Levis and Reddit and Hype LOL

2023 NFL Draft: Will Levis is latest victim of league's hype machine, suffering indignity of awkward green room shots​

Kentucky QB goes from potential No. 1 pick to unselected in first round​

Dan Wetzel
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Fri, Apr 28, 2023, 7:16 AM EDT·5 min read



Will Levis' green room wait continues - who could draft the Kentucky QB? | PFF 2023 NFL Draft Show




Will Levis' green room wait continues - who could draft the Kentucky QB? | PFF 2023 NFL Draft Show


Early this week, someone went on Reddit and claimed that University of Kentucky quarterback Will Levis was “telling friends and family Carolina will in fact take him on Thursday.”

You might not think an anonymous poster (SaleAgreeable2834) on a random thread would be noticed, let alone taken seriously, but this is the NFL Draft where everything and anything goes.

As such, the fact that someone was claiming inside info that Levis was about to become the 2023 No. 1 overall draft pick became not just “news.” It actually impacted the betting markets (yes, you can bet on this thing).
The odds Levis would go first overall to Carolina quickly fell from 40-to-1 to just 4-to-1 as sports books tried to hedge against it being true.

Levis actually became the betting favorite to go second overall to the Houston Texans.

It wasn’t just the bettors though. Mock drafts, as well, were adjusted accordingly, if not putting Levis at the top of the draft, cementing him in the top two selections. Websites, radio, television segments and more breathlessly discussed Levis as a possible No. 1 and a reasonable No. 2.


Well, if you needed a reminder on the predictive value of betting markets or mock drafts, let alone Reddit posts, it was apparent Thursday during the seemingly endless ESPN cutaways to Levis sitting on a couch in a quickly emptying NFL Draft green room, trying to look natural as he spoke with his family and waited for someone to pick him.
Carolina did not, in fact, select him first overall (the Panthers went with Alabama QB Bryce Young). Levis didn’t go No. 2 either —Houston took CJ Stroud. He didn’t go in the top five or 10 or 20, either.

Will Levis, once a 4-to-1 bet to go first overall, didn’t get drafted at all Thursday. He’ll have to wait for Round 2 or (gulp) later when the draft resumes Friday.

Meanwhile SaleAgreeable2834 deleted their Reddit account.
Levis is going to get drafted and should consider that a tremendous accomplishment. The greatest QB of all time went 199th, after all. And really, all Levis did was add his name to a lengthy list of guys who “slid” in the draft and had to endure becoming the embarrassing focus of the first round. That includes Hall of Famers (Warren Sapp), future Hall of Famers (Aaron Rodgers) and, of course, complete busts (Johnny Manziel).

You never know.
Levis is a unique circus of his own. He didn’t fall from his projected spot because of character doubts or health questions. That is one thing.
Levis’ biggest “red flag” is his propensity for making comical videos, including the time he ate a banana with the peel still on or the one where he put mayonnaise in his coffee.

In truth, it seems like he was never considered an elite draft prospect by the people who actually make draft picks. It turns out no one wanted him. At least not in the first round.

He may have been a figment of the NFL Draft machine imagination, a name that got so hyped up and hyped up and hyped up that people were actually throwing real gambling dollars down on him being the No. 1 overall selection.
Maybe everyone should have seen this coming. He was good at Kentucky, but hardly top-pick good. He began his career at Penn State, got beat for the starting job and then transferred to Lexington where across two seasons he completed 65.7 percent of his passes and threw 43 touchdowns against 23 interceptions.
Yet there he was, front and center in the NFL’s peculiar draft hype machine. Will Levis. Will Levis. Will Levis. Day after day after day.

Somewhere along the way, he became a believable top-five pick because people said he was a top-five pick.
Was any of it true?
That next to last line is accurate.

I'm no football expert, but nothing about any of Levis' performances put him on part with the likes of Stroud or Young. I never could see why he was being touted as a top pick, but people just kept saying it.
 
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I think the others have it covered. He's a penalty machine and he didn't do any agility drills at the combine or our pro day so it begs the question if he's nursing an injury or just was being lazy and didn't feel like doing it.
I'm hearing he overestimated his standing in the eyes of scouts and had an "I'm Cam Smith and you would be lucky to have me" attitude...didn't think he had to prove anything to scouts.

That and like others said, he held blatantly on EVERY play...luckily the refs got tired of calling it on some occasions and he was able to make a play or two. Would have benefitted tremendously by staying another year and putting on 10 lbs.
 

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It will be interesting to see where he really goes, as we are dealing with old projections vs new projections, but we will see what really happens soon
 

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No team is going to show their cards, or give any real inside info to a reporter as to who they are targeting. Scouts may drop some hints to reporters as to who they like, but scouts don't draft players. So everything you've ever read about any draft prospect is written by someone who has no clue who any team is going to pick (or who has any clue what a team's draft board looks like). Teams keep that info under severe lock and key. In fact, teams love when a guy they are hoping to pick isn't being written about.

That doesn't mean he's not a first round talent - but that talent also requires a team that needs him. He could have been high on the Texans board - just not as high as a QB and OLB.
 
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That doesn't mean he's not a first round talent - but that talent also requires a team that needs him. He could have been high on the Texans board - just not as high as a QB and OLB.
Yes...bears repeating every NFL draft....teams draft according to their needs, not according to someone's alleged pecking order.
 

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Do wish the cameras weren’t so obsessed with a kid when he has to be at a low moment when they are the ones who built him up They showed him and his family what seemed like a million times.
 

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This would have been tragic if Levis were a high draft pick. This situation was beginning to look like the Truisby mistake when he was chosen over Mahommes and Watson. Levis is only average as a quarterback.
 
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Why'd Cam drop so far in draft?​

All it means is that he was never as good as we thought he was - par for the course around here. Evidently, the same foible is evident in Kentucky.
 

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Well Cam will have an opportunity to prove himself on the big stage. Some of us will be correct in analyzing his abilities as a db in the nfl and some will be proven wrong. Personally, I wish him the best. Often chances depend on the team’s personnel at the position and I have no idea about the Dolphins personnel at db.
 
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Good article on Levis and Reddit and Hype LOL

2023 NFL Draft: Will Levis is latest victim of league's hype machine, suffering indignity of awkward green room shots​

Kentucky QB goes from potential No. 1 pick to unselected in first round​

Dan Wetzel
Dan Wetzel

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Fri, Apr 28, 2023, 7:16 AM EDT·5 min read



Will Levis' green room wait continues - who could draft the Kentucky QB? | PFF 2023 NFL Draft Show




Will Levis' green room wait continues - who could draft the Kentucky QB? | PFF 2023 NFL Draft Show


Early this week, someone went on Reddit and claimed that University of Kentucky quarterback Will Levis was “telling friends and family Carolina will in fact take him on Thursday.”

You might not think an anonymous poster (SaleAgreeable2834) on a random thread would be noticed, let alone taken seriously, but this is the NFL Draft where everything and anything goes.

As such, the fact that someone was claiming inside info that Levis was about to become the 2023 No. 1 overall draft pick became not just “news.” It actually impacted the betting markets (yes, you can bet on this thing).
The odds Levis would go first overall to Carolina quickly fell from 40-to-1 to just 4-to-1 as sports books tried to hedge against it being true.

Levis actually became the betting favorite to go second overall to the Houston Texans.

It wasn’t just the bettors though. Mock drafts, as well, were adjusted accordingly, if not putting Levis at the top of the draft, cementing him in the top two selections. Websites, radio, television segments and more breathlessly discussed Levis as a possible No. 1 and a reasonable No. 2.


Well, if you needed a reminder on the predictive value of betting markets or mock drafts, let alone Reddit posts, it was apparent Thursday during the seemingly endless ESPN cutaways to Levis sitting on a couch in a quickly emptying NFL Draft green room, trying to look natural as he spoke with his family and waited for someone to pick him.
Carolina did not, in fact, select him first overall (the Panthers went with Alabama QB Bryce Young). Levis didn’t go No. 2 either —Houston took CJ Stroud. He didn’t go in the top five or 10 or 20, either.

Will Levis, once a 4-to-1 bet to go first overall, didn’t get drafted at all Thursday. He’ll have to wait for Round 2 or (gulp) later when the draft resumes Friday.

Meanwhile SaleAgreeable2834 deleted their Reddit account.
Levis is going to get drafted and should consider that a tremendous accomplishment. The greatest QB of all time went 199th, after all. And really, all Levis did was add his name to a lengthy list of guys who “slid” in the draft and had to endure becoming the embarrassing focus of the first round. That includes Hall of Famers (Warren Sapp), future Hall of Famers (Aaron Rodgers) and, of course, complete busts (Johnny Manziel).

You never know.
Levis is a unique circus of his own. He didn’t fall from his projected spot because of character doubts or health questions. That is one thing.
Levis’ biggest “red flag” is his propensity for making comical videos, including the time he ate a banana with the peel still on or the one where he put mayonnaise in his coffee.

In truth, it seems like he was never considered an elite draft prospect by the people who actually make draft picks. It turns out no one wanted him. At least not in the first round.

He may have been a figment of the NFL Draft machine imagination, a name that got so hyped up and hyped up and hyped up that people were actually throwing real gambling dollars down on him being the No. 1 overall selection.
Maybe everyone should have seen this coming. He was good at Kentucky, but hardly top-pick good. He began his career at Penn State, got beat for the starting job and then transferred to Lexington where across two seasons he completed 65.7 percent of his passes and threw 43 touchdowns against 23 interceptions.
Yet there he was, front and center in the NFL’s peculiar draft hype machine. Will Levis. Will Levis. Will Levis. Day after day after day.

Somewhere along the way, he became a believable top-five pick because people said he was a top-five pick.
Was any of it true?
Why is his dad wearing a dress?
 
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All it means is that he was never as good as we thought he was - par for the course around here. Evidently, the same foible is evident in Kentucky.
With Clowney being the notable exception (and maybe J Horn, recently), our guys almost always seem to go a round or 2 or 3 later than the pundits and fans talk them up to.
 

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With Clowney being the notable exception (and maybe J Horn, recently), our guys almost always seem to go a round or 2 or 3 later than the pundits and fans talk them up to.
We are deluded. The pundits are deluded. The players themselves are deluded.
 

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All it means is that he was never as good as we thought he was - par for the course around here. Evidently, the same foible is evident in Kentucky.
Par for the course around here. Don't know about that. We've put some pretty good defensive backs in the NFL over the years and their skills speak for themselves.
 

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Par for the course around here. Don't know about that. We've put some pretty good defensive backs in the NFL over the years and their skills speak for themselves.
Some. I was addressing the tendency to exaggerate player potentialities. It derives from a hunger to matter that our history does not to this point justify.
 
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Do yall honestly think he was worth of a first round pick?
There have been plenty of first round picks that I didn't think were worthy. I was right on some, wrong on others. Jonathan Joseph was one of them (I think he went in the 1st). For sure flop in my mind. Turned out to be a good pick. None of us know how this story will end.

There were others such as the starting LB for the Rams (E. Jones) that they said would go late or not be drafted. I was certain he would be a very good NFL LB. I was right on that one. Baffled that he didn't go in the top three rounds.
 

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Miami wanted him all along, but didn't have a 1st round pick.
We may never know if this statement is accurate, but as a long suffering Dolphins fan, this was a wasted pick. Smith does not address the most pressing need (OT and/or TE), and at best he is project.
 
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How high was Manziel drafted? I'm sure there were some Aggie fans who figured him for the Hall of Fame. By the way, it was our current offensive coordinator who pushed Cleveland to trade up to take him with the 22nd overall pick. He drank the Kool Aid also. He should have known better.
 
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