Will Lemonis go down as the best and worst BB coach in MSU history?

[thekimmer]

2019-2021 114-37, 40-20 SEC 2 CWS, 1 NC Finished #4/5 in final polls 2019 #1 2024

2022-2024(to date) 54-58, 18-42 SEC Finished dead last in SEC 2022, 13th in 2023

Lot of baseball to play in 2024 but a sweep by AP kinda tells you where we are headed.

I just find it hard to wrap my head around how he started and where we are now.

I must apologize to those who I chided for making this statement and now agree with them.

Chris Lemonis is indeed the Gene Chisik of college baseball.

 

[MSUDC11-2.0]

I think most will just see him as the guy that won it all with someone else’s players and then sucked when it was his show.

I still defend that he was a good coach from 2019-2021. Yes it helps to have those kind of players. But more talented teams have accomplished less than those teams did. He made a lot of smart moves early in his career and was clearly the right kind of coach for THAT specific group of guys.

But it has gone horribly since then and that will make people view his first three years differently.

 

[thekimmer]

But it has gone horribly since then and that will make people view his first three years differently.

This is the thing that has pissed me off more than anything. We FINALLY won a natty and really only got to celebrate and enjoy it for about 6 months. Our last post-season baseball game was the CWS championship game almost 3 years ago. Let that sink in.

 

[The Peeper]

Goat still says he's a good coach though, so , end of story.........

 

[ababyatemydingo]

2019-2021 114-37, 40-20 SEC 2 CWS, 1 NC Finished #4/5 in final polls 2019 #1 2024

2022-2024(to date) 54-58, 18-42 SEC Finished dead last in SEC 2022, 13th in 2023

Lot of baseball to play in 2024 but a sweep by AP kinda tells you where we are headed.

I just find it hard to wrap my head around how he started and where we are now.

I must apologize to those who I chided for making this statement and now agree with them.

Chris Lemonis is indeed the Gene Chisik of college baseball.

he did basically the same thing he did at Indiana. Won with the last coach's players, then tailed off. He just got a better gig before it totally hit the shiter. Winning the NC gave him a longer leash here to completely tank the program.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Fat Lemonis >>>>>> Polk 1 + Cohen
Thin Lemonis <<<<<< Polk 2

 

[ll Martain ll]

Lemonis reminds me a lot of when Matt Patricia was coaching the Detroit Lions. Previously successful, seemingly a really good coach, but something intangible is wrong/missing and it's clear he's not the guy anymore.

Time to go find our version of Dan Campbell.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Goat still says he's a good coach though, so , end of story.........

Fake news, perpetrated by the simple-minded and illiterate.

The guy can manage a team in-season, again, this is fact.

His recrootin strategy has proved to not work for MSU.

So one mistake I made is that I used "coach" rather than "manage". I should have know that would throw off the hivemind, who can't discern that I was talking about the Xs and Os of coaching i.e. managing. So for that, I am sorry for not laying out simply for you.

So overall, since the managing is the easier and more common sense part of the deal, he's proving not to be a good overall coach. The approach and the recrootin strategy behind it are a very big part of college sports, and he appears to have picked the wrong one for MSU. He might do better at a California school or something.

 

[The Peeper]

Fake news, perpetrated by the simple-minded and illiterate.

The guy can manage a team in-season, again, this is fact.

His recrootin strategy has proved to not work for MSU.

So one mistake I made is that I used "coach" rather than "manage". I should have know that would throw off the hivemind, who can't discern that I was talking about the Xs and Os of coaching i.e. managing. So for that, I am sorry for not laying out simply for you.

So overall, since the managing is the easier and more common sense part of the deal, he's proving not to be a good overall coach. The approach and the recrootin strategy behind it are a very big part of college sports, and he appears to have picked the wrong one for MSU. He might do better at a California school or something.

You are the ONLY person on this board that would say and convince themself that any of this is true

Call him what you want but:
Good coaches don't finish last and next to last in their conference twice in a row. He also finished T3rd, 5th, and 6th twice at IU.
Good coaches don't miss their conference tournaments.
Good coaches don't get swept in mid week conference games to Atlantic Sun teams and Air Force has 1 win this year, yep to us
Good coaches don't miss on talent like he has
Good coaches see what's wrong and fix it, quickly. We're on YEAR 3 of ineptness and not getting it fixed.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

You are the ONLY person on this board that would say and convince themself that any of this is true

Call him what you want but:
Good coaches don't finish last and next to last in their conference twice in a row. He also finished T3rd, 5th, and 6th twice at IU.
Good coaches don't miss their conference tournaments.
Good coaches don't get swept in mid week conference games to Atlantic Sun teams and Air Force has 1 win this year, yep to us
Good coaches don't miss on talent like he has
Good coaches see what's wrong and fix it, quickly. We're on YEAR 3 of ineptness and not getting it fixed.

Can you not read and comprehend?

 

[GrassDrills]

Will go down as some guy that a narcissist hired to coach a team that a sexual deviate loaded with talent. Won NC with said team and when the talent left returned to being some guy.

 

[thekimmer]

Fake news, perpetrated by the simple-minded and illiterate.

The guy can manage a team in-season, again, this is fact.

His recrootin strategy has proved to not work for MSU.

So one mistake I made is that I used "coach" rather than "manage". I should have know that would throw off the hivemind, who can't discern that I was talking about the Xs and Os of coaching i.e. managing. So for that, I am sorry for not laying out simply for you.

So overall, since the managing is the easier and more common sense part of the deal, he's proving not to be a good overall coach. The approach and the recrootin strategy behind it are a very big part of college sports, and he appears to have picked the wrong one for MSU. He might do better at a California school or something.

Coaching, game management, and recruiting are essential job requirements with the latter being most important because coaching does little good if you don't have the talent. I think he has failed at both coaching and recruiting because we are awful at the fundamentals of baseball. The most I will give him is he was able to competently manage talent recruited and developed by someone else. In any case, he stinks at his job and should have been relieved of it LAST SEASON.

 

[MSUDC11-2.0]

At the end of the day, the thing I can’t get past is that nobody who invests heavily in baseball and succeeded in it has crashed and burned like this. Sure, there are great programs who have had a bad season here and there. But if we were to miss Hoover and/or the NCAAT three years in a row…. That’s the kind of crap that the Mizzou’s of the world who don’t give a single care about baseball do. But not a program with any kind of self respect.

Well, not until now; at least.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Fake news, perpetrated by the simple-minded and illiterate.

The guy can manage a team in-season, again, this is fact.

His recrootin strategy has proved to not work for MSU.

So one mistake I made is that I used "coach" rather than "manage". I should have know that would throw off the hivemind, who can't discern that I was talking about the Xs and Os of coaching i.e. managing. So for that, I am sorry for not laying out simply for you.

So overall, since the managing is the easier and more common sense part of the deal, he's proving not to be a good overall coach. The approach and the recrootin strategy behind it are a very big part of college sports, and he appears to have picked the wrong one for MSU. He might do better at a California school or something.

You like to use a lot of buzz words. "Hive" mind. You ever stop to think you are the outlier? Coaching is managing. That's what his job is doing. His X's and O's have been a lot worse the last two seasons. He never figured out how to correct his team nor has he figure out to fix the line up. Coach up and develop the team he has. All he knew how to do year 1-3 was let the talent he had play and year 3 he was extremely lucky we had sims and bednar and hootie going all out. That's what won him a title. We were a pretty mediocre hitting team that year until post season. Problem is he has t figured out how to fix the team. That's coaching. That's his job. It's the assistants job to coach X's and O's. Sad part is he was supposed to be this phenomenal recruiter

 

[OG Goat Holder]

At the end of the day, the thing I can’t get past is that nobody who invests heavily in baseball and succeeded in it has crashed and burned like this. Sure, there are great programs who have had a bad season here and there. But if we were to miss Hoover and/or the NCAAT three years in a row…. That’s the kind of crap that the Mizzou’s of the world who don’t give a single care about baseball do. But not a program with any kind of self respect.

Well, not until now; at least.

Record wise, it wasn't as bad as us, but Arizona missed the NCAA tournament 3 years in a row after winning it all in 2012. Jay Lopez retired after that year, they hired Stumpy, and in 2016 they promptly returned to prominence (as we know all too well).

Shlt happens. Just make a good hire this next time. Can Selmon do it?

 

[Predestined]

2019-2021 114-37, 40-20 SEC 2 CWS, 1 NC Finished #4/5 in final polls 2019 #1 2024

2022-2024(to date) 54-58, 18-42 SEC Finished dead last in SEC 2022, 13th in 2023

Lot of baseball to play in 2024 but a sweep by AP kinda tells you where we are headed.

I just find it hard to wrap my head around how he started and where we are now.

I must apologize to those who I chided for making this statement and now agree with them.

Chris Lemonis is indeed the Gene Chisik of college baseball.

You're half right

 

[The Cooterpoot]

No he'll go down as the fattest and the phattest

 

[Perd Hapley]

I don’t know why fans arbitrarily assign descriptors like “good coach” or “bad coach” like its some perpetual state of being either way. Lemonis was a good coach at Indiana. He was a really, really good coach for his first 3 years here. He’s been a really bad coach since then.

Ron Polk was a really, really good coach from 1976 to 1997. He was a pretty crappy coach from 2002-2008. Coaches go from “good” to “not good” all the time, for all sorts of different reasons.

I also don’t know why its so hard to believe that Lemonis simply hit a complacency wall after reaching the pinnacle of his profession….which also happened to be the pinnacle of any profession in the 150 year history of his employer. Burnout after major achievements is a common occurrence in every profession.

And aGAIN, its also happening at the other SEC baseball program in the same 17ing state. Ole Miss recruits in the Top 5-10 every damn year. Yet Bianco started sucking even worse than we did….at exactly the same time, and under exactly the same circumstances. Bianco is still only 56 years old….just 2 years older than Lemonis, and almost 20 years younger than Nick Saban. The game hasn’t exactly passed him by. Yet he’s totally lost all control and influence….directly after he finally reached the mountaintop following 20 straight years of consistent performance. It’s not a coincidence. The burnout factor is very real.

 

[Mr. Cook]

The subject header is patently wrong on its face. Period.

A fool finds a lottery ticket on a bus and then loses all of the winnings at the casino. That is what Lemonis will be known for.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

2019-2021 114-37, 40-20 SEC 2 CWS, 1 NC Finished #4/5 in final polls 2019 #1 2024

2022-2024(to date) 54-58, 18-42 SEC Finished dead last in SEC 2022, 13th in 2023

Lot of baseball to play in 2024 but a sweep by AP kinda tells you where we are headed.

I just find it hard to wrap my head around how he started and where we are now.

I must apologize to those who I chided for making this statement and now agree with them.

Chris Lemonis is indeed the Gene Chisik of college baseball.

Certainly will go down as the best, but there's a ton of contenders for worst.