The only coach bad enough to be on this list twice, or the only AD stupid enough to hire someone who would already be on the list once? Is this a bigger indictment on William P or RT??
Will Muschamp is one of a kind
- Thread starter Deleted11512
- Start date
I would allow myself to be put any and every "worst ___________" list if I could have as much money as he does.
Financially-speaking, one of the smartest things a college coach can do is tank after signing a big contract.
How many other types of jobs in America would pay you millions of dollars to go away b/c you're so bad?
Financially-speaking, one of the smartest things a college coach can do is tank after signing a big contract.
How many other types of jobs in America would pay you millions of dollars to go away b/c you're so bad?
Last edited:
The only coach bad enough to be on this list twice, or the only AD stupid enough to hire someone who would already be on the list once? Is this a bigger indictment on William P or RT??
This is a terrible list, ranked solely on revisionist history with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.
Art Briles a terrible hire by Baylor? He was an incredible hire. He built Baylor football into a national powerhouse, something that had never been done before. His actions there were despicable, but it wasn't a terrible hire from the perspective of football.
Will Muschamp at Florida? That was considered a homerun hire at the time. He was coach in waiting at Texas under Mack Brown. He was the hot young assistant coach at the time. Nobody could have expected it to go sideways like it did.
Hugh Freeze at Ole Miss? Again, a fantastic hire that resulted in football success at Ole Miss that hadn't been seen in decades. Off the field it went south, but those issues would have been impossible to know beforehand.
I'd say so. He was fired in disgrace for violating the morals clause in his contract, the program had to vacate 27 wins from his tenure, got a 2 year post season ban, 3 years of probation, and a 4 year loss of some scholarships. I'm shocked it's not higher to be honest.
Of course it's hindsight. Muschamp is probably the only one on the list you could look at when we hired him and say he was a bad hire bc he had already proven that elsewhere.
Hugh Freeze is so overrated. He didn't do anything Nutt or Cutt didn't do.
I could see toleration for rings. But as I said in another post, he didn't do anything Nutt or Cutt didn't do there. One thing I'm 100% confident about...Muschamp is going to have some company. AU hiring Freeze will be on here in a few years.
I thought Ole Miss football history the last few decades was pretty mediocre so I had to check the records. You're right that Freeze didn't do anything that hadn't been done before by Nutt or Cuttcliffe.
If you're looking at the results from now, then of course Briles, Freeze, Muschamp, etc. were bad hires. At least with Muschamp we didn't have to deal with moral and legal problems like Baylor and Mississippi did.
This is true.
There's good old fashioned sucking and there's Playboy Secret Confessions issues.
The appraisal of how hirings seemed "at the time" is irrelevant. What would be useful? Someone develops perfect prescience to prevent such hirings.
It all goes back to every coaching hire being a roll of the dice, with one exception: Urban Meyer. He is the one sure-fire guarantee I can recall in recent history. I have no doubt if we hired him today, he'd have us in Atlanta within 3 years. With whatever else goes on, he wins.
Otherwise, you could make a very long list of the can't-miss coaches that missed.
Otherwise, you could make a very long list of the can't-miss coaches that missed.
I would agree with that. People like to discount his UF success and say "yeah, but it's UF". UF has had 2 successful coaches, and he's one of them.
One good start is: "Has he been fired for sucking at a school perceived to be easier to win at than our school".
Yes - End of engagement
No - Proceed to next round of interview
Yeah, I guess that's one silver lining. Beamer didn't have to deal with a bunch of thugs or NCAA fallout. Muschamp was pretty clean, I'll give him that.
He would never take the job at Carolina. He would only take jobs at programs with built in advantages and a recent history of success. Meyer has no interest in building a program or turning a program around. He obviously will look the other way with regards to player or staff misdeeds and he has to have an AD who is OK with that.
Clemson would be a good fit for him.
I also think he is poison now due to the trail of shame he left behind everywhere he went. He is a real POS as a human.
If he came out and said he was getting back in he'd have programs firing their HC to get a shot at him.
The only coach bad enough to be on this list twice, or the only AD stupid enough to hire someone who would already be on the list once? Is this a bigger indictment on William P or RT??
At least we are not up to Tennessee and Nebraska status. They are 3 times losers
Mike Riley went 19-19 at Nebraska in his 3 seasons, and to 2 bowls, actually, not bad for lowly Nebraska. They seem to have a quick hook, but Scott Frost was going nowhere.
Last edited:
Not arguing for him here.
Just saying, he’s a guaranteed winner, unlike almost every other coaching hire. As pointed out above by @DaboSits2PeePee, look how much UF has struggled with anyone not named Spurrier or Meyer.
Well, that has potential in a scant number of cases. I'm looking for something both telepathic and comprehensively usable, sort of a one-size-fits-all approach.
Who? As what? Meyer? It wouldn't shock me. He is a stone cold winner at the college level. But I don't think it would be Bama that broached the subject.
I remember when Nebraska was an absolute beast under two consecutive great head coaches. Special coaches are sparse.Mike Riley went 19-19 at Nebraska in his 3 seasons, and to 2 bowls, actually, not bad for lowly Nebraska. They seem to have a quick hook, but Scott Frost was going nowhere.
Yep. Bama would be all over that junk. He’s got an .853 career win percentage, which is nuts. And he hasn’t just won at the big schools. He won at Bowling Green and won big at Utah, who was fairly mediocre before he took over.
I’m not an Urban fan, but he’s got the Midas touch.
Shoot, they fired Bo Pelini who was 58-19 and Frank Solich who was 67-27Mike Riley went 19-19 at Nebraska in his 3 seasons, and to 2 bowls, actually, not bad for lowly Nebraska. They seem to have a quick hook, but Scott Frost was going nowhere.
And now they have Rhule and Satterfield, wow reality sets in.
Fat Brad Scott and Sparky Woods should be on that list as hires for us.
EDIT: My mistake. I just saw that it said for the 21st century.
EDIT: My mistake. I just saw that it said for the 21st century.
The only coach bad enough to be on this list twice, or the only AD stupid enough to hire someone who would already be on the list once? Is this a bigger indictment on William P or RT??
His record here is better than Beamer.