Worried about QB depth

[TexasGamecockFan]

I am worried the QB situation ending up like Running back last year and we end up short on depth. It seems we are down to Chandler Morris who is visiting this weekend. I have a hard time believing Clemson's own Chad Morriss' son is going to be a Gamecock. I think Chad could push and perhaps even beat out Sellers with past experience as starting QB at TCU. I hope I am wrong but Chad may end up at North Texas instead now that he has been beat out at TCU. If we get no one, then Luke Doty and Dante Reno are the only real back-ups and the best walk-on is the 4th string insurance policy.

Otherwise Beamer has done well in the portal esp. if we can score a young 4* DT today, setting us up with an experienced senior-laden 2024 team. But QB is arguably the most important position and even if our lines are solid we must have 3-4 full time QBs.

 

[kidrobinski]

Aside from Rattler, the last ‘can’t miss’ talent-wise to my eye at Carolina was Anthony Wright; I see that also and to a significantly higher degree in Sellers. It would take a special talent to come in and beat him out; ‘experience’ alone won’t do it, and I believe the current ‘play now’ climate is hurting us in transfer backup insurance. I’m sure we’re trying, but It’s going to be tough to get a ‘weapon’ type transfer qb in here that will be both available and confident he’ll beat out Sellers. It will likely be the same as with Rattler; better keep Sellers healthy.

 

[TexasGamecockFan]

We picked up the DT and another OT. So our depth looks really good everywhere except QB. Surely a QB will see how solid the O-line looks now compared to last year and be cocky enough to take on Sellers reputation. Honestly, this team looks to be very strong on paper going into 2024 with a QB pickup. But they are running out of time as classes start tomorrow.

 

[CockofEarle…]

I am worried the QB situation ending up like Running back last year and we end up short on depth. It seems we are down to Chandler Morris who is visiting this weekend. I have a hard time believing Clemson's own Chad Morriss' son is going to be a Gamecock. I think Chad could push and perhaps even beat out Sellers with past experience as starting QB at TCU. I hope I am wrong but Chad may end up at North Texas instead now that he has been beat out at TCU. If we get no one, then Luke Doty and Dante Reno are the only real back-ups and the best walk-on is the 4th string insurance policy.

Otherwise Beamer has done well in the portal esp. if we can score a young 4* DT today, setting us up with an experienced senior-laden 2024 team. But QB is arguably the most important position and even if our lines are solid we must have 3-4 full time QBs.

Ah, makes u flashback to the days of qb depth. Grants & Bass. Mitchel and Hold.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Why do we need so much depth? Rattler took nearly 100% of snaps over the last 2 seasons. Our backups have barely seen the field. I know you can’t count on Sellers not getting injured, but it’s not like RB where you’ve got to have multiple backs play in each game. If Sellers doesn’t get injured, no biggie.

If Sellers goes down, we suck it up and play Reno. Or Doty is at least capable of being a game manager at the position I think.

We had a true freshman as a backup this year so what’s the big deal?

 

[TexasGamecockFan]

You only need QB depth if you want a good chance at a winning season. Two reasons we need depth:

1) Injuries. Rattler was incredibly durable but injuries, even season-ending injuries, can and do happen to quarterbacks. Rattler was smart about protecting himself.

2) We may be overestimating Sellers ability. Sellers was a 4-star recruit we beat out Syracuse for, not Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, or Southern California because they didn't offer him. We saw Sellers throw exactly 4 passes last year and all were thrown against Furman, when we were way ahead in the game. Although he showed a lot of promise in limited action, we haven's seen a lot of Sellers and haven't seen how he will do against an Alabama or Georgia.

 

[18IsTheMan]

You only need QB depth if you want a good chance at a winning season. Two reasons we need depth:

We had 8 wins in 2022 without much in the way of QB depth. Rattler took virtually 100% of the snaps.

 

[Jonesz21]

I am worried the QB situation ending up like Running back last year and we end up short on depth. It seems we are down to Chandler Morris who is visiting this weekend. I have a hard time believing Clemson's own Chad Morriss' son is going to be a Gamecock. I think Chad could push and perhaps even beat out Sellers with past experience as starting QB at TCU. I hope I am wrong but Chad may end up at North Texas instead now that he has been beat out at TCU. If we get no one, then Luke Doty and Dante Reno are the only real back-ups and the best walk-on is the 4th string insurance policy.

Otherwise Beamer has done well in the portal esp. if we can score a young 4* DT today, setting us up with an experienced senior-laden 2024 team. But QB is arguably the most important position and even if our lines are solid we must have 3-4 full time QBs.

Before we say Beamer has done well in the portal let’s see what the record says next year. You only as good as your record. Last season says he didn’t do well the previous yrs recruiting.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Before we say Beamer has done well in the portal let’s see what the record says next year. You only as good as your record. Last season says he didn’t do well the previous yrs recruiting.

We have one home run in the portal on paper: Rocket Sanders. And even that's based him returning to his pre-2023 form.

 

[rockingamecock]

QB depth has been a problem for years.

 

[Big JC]

Whatever we do, for God's sake please don't upset Sellers. I have learned that Sellers is the greatest qb to ever play at Carolina here on FGF and bringing in another qb in the portal might upset him and he might leave. Sellers leaving would signal the end of South Carolina football for the foreseeable future.

No qb in college football history has ever looked better than Sellers did against Furman and it is obvious that facing Furman late in the game is a true test of a qb's ability and an accurate predictor of success in the SEC.

 

[92Pony]

We had 8 wins in 2022 without much in the way of QB depth. Rattler took virtually 100% of the snaps.

Looking back, and considering all of our injuries the last two seasons, it was an absolute miracle that we made it through the years without injury to our QB!!

 

[Deleted11512]

Looking back, and considering all of our injuries the last two seasons, it was an absolute miracle that we made it through the years without injury to our QB!!

Agree! Rattler was a tough SOB. He took A LOT of hits, too.

 

[Deleted11512]

Before we say Beamer has done well in the portal let’s see what the record says next year. You only as good as your record. Last season says he didn’t do well the previous yrs recruiting.

Per On3, we have the #4 ranked transfer class. Nothing wrong with giving props for that. Beamer should get some praise for addressing concerns.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Whatever we do, for God's sake please don't upset Sellers. I have learned that Sellers is the greatest qb to ever play at Carolina here on FGF and bringing in another qb in the portal might upset him and he might leave. Sellers leaving would signal the end of South Carolina football for the foreseeable future.

No qb in college football history has ever looked better than Sellers did against Furman and it is obvious that facing Furman late in the game is a true test of a qb's ability and an accurate predictor of success in the SEC.

For me, it's a line in the sand. Are we going to simply abandon recruiting and being committed to guys who were committed to us out of high school? If that's the direction you want the team to go, that's fine. It's just not what I want from college football.

At some point, extensive use of the portal could, and likely will, impact recruiting. Opposing coaches will say "Hey, look what they did to Sellers. They begged him to come to USC and then they went out and got a QB from the portal to start over him. Why would you want go somewhere you can't trust the coaches?"

 

[18IsTheMan]

Per On3, we have the #4 ranked transfer class. Nothing wrong with giving props for that. Beamer should get some praise for addressing concerns.

Those rankings are quite arbitrary. From ON3: "On3's Team Transfer Portal Index utilizes the On3 (P)erformance score to measure a team’s production during the transfer process, compared relative against its roster and not a comparison against other schools. This proprietary algorithm determines if a school has improved its overall team talent, stayed the same, or declined in talent during the transfer window."

Who even knows what that means?

 

[Deleted11512]

Those rankings are quite arbitrary. From ON3: "On3's Team Transfer Portal Index utilizes the On3 (P)erformance score to measure a team’s production during the transfer process, compared relative against its roster and not a comparison against other schools. This proprietary algorithm determines if a school has improved its overall team talent, stayed the same, or declined in talent during the transfer window."

Who even knows what that means?

Seems pretty straight forward. They're comparing incoming talent to outgoing talent, instead of merely ranking the incoming players.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Seems pretty straight forward. They're comparing incoming talent to outgoing talent, instead of merely ranking the incoming players.

using a "proprietary algorithm". Can you give any indication of how they arrive at our index score of 30?

 

[Deleted11512]

using a "proprietary algorithm". Can you give any indication of how they arrive at our index score of 30?

Probably the same faith you can put into them rating a HS kid a 90.32567 4* instead of a 89.7689 3*. We get all jacked b/c it's a 4* instead of 3*, when in reality, the difference is a rounding exercise.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Probably the same faith you can put into them rating a HS kid a 90.32567 4* instead of a 89.7689 3*. We get all jacked b/c it's a 4* instead of 3*, when in reality, the difference is a rounding exercise.

Right, so the #4 ranking doesn't mean a lot.

 

[Deleted11512]

Speaking of QB depth, Wiltfong says we're in the lead for 2025 4* QB Ryan Montgomery out of OH. He's got offers from everywhere.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Looking back, and considering all of our injuries the last two seasons, it was an absolute miracle that we made it through the years without injury to our QB!!

We are definitely fortunate that Rattler didn't suffer injury. It's remarkable that he didn't. Never even got his bell rung and had to come out for a play that I can recall. NFL has to LOVE that about him. He was not what anyone would call a mobile QB, but he was more than mobile enough in the pocket to deal with usual amounts of pressure and saved us quite a few sacks this last year.

Sellers has the advantage of being quite a bit more mobile so he can maybe avoid even more hits in the pocket. Of course, he runs too much and that raises his risk for injury. Mobile QBs can get happy feet in the pocket a bit more quickly as well.

 

[Deleted11512]

Right, so the #4 ranking doesn't mean a lot.

So we'll only use the rankings when they're bad, and we can criticize Beamer for it? Got it.

 

[Spinal Tap]

Looking back, and considering all of our injuries the last two seasons, it was an absolute miracle that we made it through the years without injury to our QB!!

I don't know who or when, but we better have someone added at QB for this season. We know our recent past and don't need to repeat it.

Rattler turned out to be Superman and we were fortunate he didn't have an injury.

 

[18IsTheMan]

So we'll only use the rankings when they're bad, and we can criticize Beamer for it? Got it.

I don't say too much about portal rankings. They are far too subjective.

 

[Deleted11512]

I don't say too much about portal rankings. They are far too subjective.

And HS rankings aren't? It's the same people rating the same players. At least with the portal they usually get to do it after seeing them compete at the collegiate level.

I do wonder though. With the advent of the portal, these services are having to constantly rate guys. Used to be they'd just have to rate them until the first week in Feb, and they're done. Will the overall quality of the ratings decrease just from the sheer workload increase? Will they have to increase headcount tremendously to keep up? Will prices start to go up on these sites to offset the additional work they're having to do?

 

[MrCockStrong]

We picked up the DT and another OT. So our depth looks really good everywhere except QB. Surely a QB will see how solid the O-line looks now compared to last year and be cocky enough to take on Sellers reputation. Honestly, this team looks to be very strong on paper going into 2024 with a QB pickup. But they are running out of time as classes start tomorrow.

I thought depth at WR was still a problem. With Juice taking the portal to Ole Miss and O'Mega Blake hiking the portal to East Carolina, that leaves only one WR on the roster with game experience -- Nyck Harbor. And this was his first year playing receiver.

Who is on the WR depth chart?

 

[18IsTheMan]

I thought depth at WR was still a problem. With Juice taking the portal to Ole Miss and O'Mega Blake hiking the portal to East Carolina, that leaves only one WR on the roster with game experience -- Nyck Harbor. And this was his first year playing receiver.

Who is on the WR depth chart?

We've added 3 from the portal, one from CCU and one from Miami (Ohio). Certainly reasonable to be concerned about that position.

 

[Deleted11512]

We've added 3 from the portal, one from CCU and one from Miami (Ohio). Certainly reasonable to be concerned about that position.

2 good ones coming in the spring as freshmen too. Gatling is interesting. "Only" a 3*, but has 43 offers from every big time program in the country. Bennett is a 4* with 23 offers that we flipped from UT. Not too concerned about WR. If the running game is improved with Rocket and Sellers, the WRs will be just fine. The best offenses on the best teams we've seen in our history showcased:

Byrd
Sanders
Ellington
Jones
Roland

Roland was hyped coming in, but most of those guys were either unknown or thought to be slot/situational guys.

 

[Jonesz21]

Per On3, we have the #4 ranked transfer class. Nothing wrong with giving props for that. Beamer should get some praise for addressing concerns.

Win games before we give praise or raise

 

[Big JC]

2 good ones coming in the spring as freshmen too. Gatling is interesting. "Only" a 3*, but has 43 offers from every big time program in the country. Bennett is a 4* with 23 offers that we flipped from UT. Not too concerned about WR. If the running game is improved with Rocket and Sellers, the WRs will be just fine. The best offenses on the best teams we've seen in our history showcased:

Byrd
Sanders
Ellington
Jones
Roland

Roland was hyped coming in, but most of those guys were either unknown or thought to be slot/situational guys.

You've made me feel much better overall. It appears we have a substantial upgrade at every single position group. Anything less than 8 wins should be grounds to fire Beamer.