Cohen pulled the trigger on Moorhead because he lost control of the team. Had Gay not punched Shrader during practice, Moorhead would’ve been the coach for the next season.
I agree with this. Firing him mid-season was a bad look. Especially with how close to the end of the season it happened. Should have just waited out the CF of a season to end, and it could have been framed as Foxhall moving on.
Do you seriously think anyone in college baseball give a rip that we fired Foxhall in mid-season? Few people even know we fired him mid-season, and the ones that do know understand completely why. Nobody cares when a school fires a coach. Nobody.
I disagree with you regarding no upside to keeping him. Plenty of upside. He’s a guy that has proven he can not only get to Omaha but win it, if the talent is right. Now what he has not proven is his ability to recruit and build a winning roster. If I were AD, I wouldn’t fire him unless I felt I had a clear upgrade identified. I’d rather give him another shot than have to go down the unproven top assistant coach route. That’s just me.
How is that an upside? You can't coach the right talent to Omaha if you can't sign the right talent and lem has been abysmal at that at least on the mound. Lemonis out of his own mouth has repeated the mantra for two solid years now "I have to figure this out" and has gotten worse not better. Our SEC ERA went from a terrible 7.47 in '22 to a historically horrid 9.54 in '23. Now we are putting him in a no-win situation because he has us in such bad shape that even if he magically learned how to recruit good players we are unlikely to do enough next season for him to keep his job and thus we are just delaying the inevitable. I am not saying it is impossible for him to turn it around but I don't think he deserves another chance to try.
Yeah. They see a job that's open. Trust me. Nobody cares. And even if a potential replacement would hesitate to take the job because we fired the coach, we're better off without that coach anyway. No good coach is ever going to shy away from reasonable expectations (or even unreasonable ones for a lot of them).
No human much less a PC is gonna wonder why a guy got canned mid year for having the worst ERA in the conference two years in a row. We were almost 2 RUNS BEHIND 13th this year. And Lem just let it happen for the most part.
Well there have been plenty of coaches here that have not won at the level he did… maybe you should go coach then.
Its only odd if you simply phrase it as “guy who won a national championship” like he is the same as Tim Corbin, Pat Casey, Sully or Brian OConnor or the other guys who actually built the programs that won it. College baseball is a lot more than plugging guy or two into a roster and coaching a game. The most important parts are eval and development. He is bad at that. Again the only sec caliber guy we have that can throw more than an inning is one of the few he didn’t even commit.
Letting Foxhall go May 2, almost 3 weeks ago now, was absolutely the right thing to do. Foxhall wasn't going to miraculously turn the pitching staff around. By letting him go 3 weeks ago, a lot of pitching coaches and agents have had time to lobby for the job and contact the university. That said I personally hope Lemonis is gone in the next day or so and it will be a non issue but with the portal opening up May 29 something HAS to happen in the next few days so that transfers will know the situation here, both those wanting to transfer in and out. Either he is let go, or, he gets the dreaded vote of confidence.
The money is there. Plus we have already committed to Fox’s buyout. When you combine the fact that we are about to way overpay/guarantee a pitching coach you don’t save much money at all if we have to go ahead and do this next year.
He won an NC but not with a team he assembled. Big, big distinction. Especially in light of how precipitously we literally dropped off the face of the earth the very next season after this signature accomplishment then followed that up by being WORSE the season after that!
You also can't argue that for whatever Cohen's faults may have been, one of them was not keeping a coach that wasn't producing.
Ed Orgeron won a national championship. I don't see anybody beating down his door to get him to come coach.
Did you read any of the other post I made in this thread? Literally couldn’t be any more clear about not advocating for him to stay. I responded to a very specific post that someone said there was no upside to keeping him. I disagree with that statement. There is upside. But I would still try to identify an upgrade if it were my choice.
I read it, just saying that argument doesn't hold up. There isn't much upside to keeping him. We have no reason to hold this loyalty to him after how awful the last 2 seasons have been. Not making the NCAA Tournament 2 years in a row is inexcusable. Not making the SEC Tournament 2 years in a row is even worse. We gave him his mulligan year after the national championship, he doesn't deserve 2.
Well first of all, after Cohen got us going he never had back-to-back stinkers like the last two seasons. He had ONE in 2015 and followed that up with a SEC title. Lem followed his up with another one just like it so I am not seeing how Cohen's experience is close to this. Secondly, the chances of Lem achieving any of the scenarios' you have listed to keep his job next year are virtually impossible so might as well fire him now.
