Would the SEC want Southern Cal?

[BattleshipTexas]

By now you've seen the rumors (really more than just rumors) that UCLA and Southern Cal may flee the Pac-10 in favor of the Big Ten. Wow, that would make a conference with a lot of distance between teams. If Southern Cal is willing to travel that far, would you want them in the SEC?

Being from Texas, and new to the SEC, I don't know the views of many SEC folk. At one point over a decade ago, Texas was very interested in joining the Pac-10. First individually, and later as a group of 4 from the Big 12. Besides problems with the LHN, it didn't work out in part because of distances. It is one thing for football or basketball to fly to Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, and Washington State for games, But all the subsidiary men's teams and women's sports bearing that cost is really a problem. I don't know how Rutgers and Maryland will regularly play UCLA and Southern Cal in those minor sports.

 

[Prestonyte]

By now you've seen the rumors (really more than just rumors) that UCLA and Southern Cal may flee the Pac-10 in favor of the Big Ten. Wow, that would make a conference with a lot of distance between teams. If Southern Cal is willing to travel that far, would you want them in the SEC?

Being from Texas, and new to the SEC, I don't know the views of many SEC folk. At one point over a decade ago, Texas was very interested in joining the Pac-10. First individually, and later as a group of 4 from the Big 12. Besides problems with the LHN, it didn't work out in part because of distances. It is one thing for football or basketball to fly to Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, and Washington State for games, But all the subsidiary men's teams and women's sports bearing that cost is really a problem. I don't know how Rutgers and Maryland will regularly play UCLA and Southern Cal in those minor sports.

Seems the logistics would negate any financial gains and be cost prohibitive. Fan travel would be costly as well.

 

[muscleknight]

How about we invite UNC, Duke, NC State and WF instead? That would gut the ACC and Clemson.

 

[atl-cock]

How about we invite UNC, Duke, NC State and WF instead? That would gut the ACC and Clemson.

That would leave Clemron as the only charter member still in the league.

 

[atl-cock]

I've always considered an athletic conference to be an association of like-minded schools within reasonable geographic proximity of each other who compete for the league championship in "the several sports."

I think this definition still holds true in NCAA Divisions II, III, and the NAIA.

 

[KingWard]

Basically the Big 10 would really be picking up only one football school, although it's a big one. And Big 10 teams have routinely played Pac-12 teams in the OOC schedule anyway so there is a certain familiarity at play. But what this has done is to put enormous pressure on the ACC. They need Notre Dame to go all-in now more than ever. Notre Dame needs it as well. And this assumes the ACC can hold on to it's better programs, which might now feel further marginalized by their affiliation with a distinctly second-tier league. The exit fee is high, but speculation already centers around UPC, Miami, and/or Florida State seeking greener pastures.

 

[KingWard]

By now you've seen the rumors (really more than just rumors) that UCLA and Southern Cal may flee the Pac-10 in favor of the Big Ten. Wow, that would make a conference with a lot of distance between teams. If Southern Cal is willing to travel that far, would you want them in the SEC?

Being from Texas, and new to the SEC, I don't know the views of many SEC folk. At one point over a decade ago, Texas was very interested in joining the Pac-10. First individually, and later as a group of 4 from the Big 12. Besides problems with the LHN, it didn't work out in part because of distances. It is one thing for football or basketball to fly to Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, and Washington State for games, But all the subsidiary men's teams and women's sports bearing that cost is really a problem. I don't know how Rutgers and Maryland will regularly play UCLA and Southern Cal in those minor sports.

I don't want to make a move on anybody who already has a deal in place elsewhere. It would not be productive. This deal is done, just like the deal between y'all and the SEC was done before we ever heard about it.

 

[PutSpur2Fur]

Battleship, let me ask you something for the Texas and Oklahoma perspectives.

What would you folks think of an SEC 20 team Super Conference, that adds Arizona, Utah, Oregon and Washington?

 

[BattleshipTexas]

Battleship, let me ask you something for the Texas and Oklahoma perspectives.

What would you folks think of an SEC 20 team Super Conference, that adds Arizona, Utah, Oregon and Washington?

Probably okay with that, but jump out now and get Southern Cal, as it is by far the team you would most want from the Pac 10. Plus Stanford is as attractive as some you named.

 

[PutSpur2Fur]

While I agree, I think the AAU component is going to lead So Cal and UCLA to want the B10 membership above all others, and likewise with Stanford and Cal-Berkeley.

 

[b.wun]

USC, Stanford, Oregon and Washington have great programs but I agree that the logistics would be counter productive.

I don’t think that we can add 4 teams from NC. You have to think television numbers. They don’t even want FSU because it doesn’t add too many more Florida viewers..

I would think Unc would be a top choice. To add the Virginia market you probably need UVA but VTech fits the culture better. Not sure who the next best 2 choices are. Clemson and FSU fit geographically and culturally but would add much to the TV market.

 

[KingWard]

USC, Stanford, Oregon and Washington have great programs but I agree that the logistics would be counter productive.

I don’t think that we can add 4 teams from NC. You have to think television numbers. They don’t even want FSU because it doesn’t add too many more Florida viewers..

I would think Unc would be a top choice. To add the Virginia market you probably need UVA but VTech fits the culture better. Not sure who the next best 2 choices are. Clemson and FSU fit geographically and culturally but would add much to the TV market.

Cogent in most respects. Probably what will happen is something we haven't envisioned yet.

 

[KingWard]

Probably okay with that, but jump out now and get Southern Cal, as it is by far the team you would most want from the Pac 10. Plus Stanford is as attractive as some you named.

It's too late. This deal is done. https://www.espn.com/college-sports...urce-usc-ucla-considering-move-pac-12-big-ten

 

[PutSpur2Fur]

I would think Unc would be a top choice. To add the Virginia market you probably need UVA but VTech fits the culture better. Not sure who the next best 2 choices are. Clemson and FSU fit geographically and culturally but would add much to the TV market.

Arizona and Utah help fill in the western aspects of that premise, each state with rapidly growing populations.

Plus, if the B10 goes Super Conference, rather than Stanford and Cal-Berkeley, I could see UNC and UVa thinking they're to good for the likes of SEC academics and going B10, like Maryland.

 

[KingWard]

Arizona and Utah help fill in the western aspects of that premise, each state with rapidly growing populations.

Utah might be dealt out.

 

[TN-Gamecock]

Arizona and Utah help fill in the western aspects of that premise, each state with rapidly growing populations.

Plus, if the B10 goes Super Conference, rather than Stanford and Cal-Berkeley, I could see UNC and UVa thinking they're to good for the likes of SEC academics and going B10, like Maryland.

I'm not sure the BIG 10 would take them...they want the big football schools that fits the BIG10's mold....Stanford is what I don't get..they have a national brand and they are the best academic institution in America...

 

[PutSpur2Fur]

...Stanford is what I don't get..they have a national brand and they are the best academic institution in America...

They have that weird symbiotic relationship with Cal.

In my mind, I could see UNC and UVa being scared of getting squeezed out in a numbers game, preferring the B10 as the only move that would ever let them give up the power they have in the ACC, and hoping to beat Stanford and Cal to the table.

However, UNC is also in a weird symbiotic relationship with Duke, so who really knows.

I'm just trying to play through the thought process on a public forum, versus just my own tortured mind.

 

[KingWard]

I'm not sure the BIG 10 would take them...they want the big football schools that fits the BIG10's mold....Stanford is what I don't get..they have a national brand and they are the best academic institution in America...

What don't you get?

 

[Game...Cocks]

How about we invite UNC, Duke, NC State and WF instead? That would gut the ACC and Clemson.

This would change nothing for Clemson.

 

[TN-Gamecock]

Would the BIG take Cal/Stanford over UNC/UVA?

My guess is the BIG would take the Northern California schools over southern schools...imo

Just go to the UNC boards...most fans want UNC in the SEC... I for one, don't want them here...I'd prefer NC State...

 

[SkyCock]

What don't you get?

King r u going to join the Insider Forum.?

 

[KingWard]

King r u going to join the Insider Forum.?

Well, I missed the bargain basement threshold so I don't have any plans to. I'm not saying never.

 

[KingWard]

Would the BIG take Cal/Stanford over UNC/UVA?

My guess is the BIG would take the Northern California schools over southern schools...imo

Just go to the UNC boards...most fans want UNC in the SEC... I for one, don't want them here...I'd prefer NC State...

I agree with you. I think their next additions will be from the West.

 

[Rogue Cock]

I agree with you. I think their next additions will be from the West.

Same. I think both the SEC and the B1G will "wait" to see what the ACC schools want to do and figure out with respect to the GOR issue. "Wait" meaning that if any inquiries are made they will be very, very quiet. Neither conference wants to get involved in a interference of contract lawsuit.

 

[KingWard]

Same. I think both the SEC and the B1G will "wait" to see what the ACC schools want to do and figure out with respect to the GOR issue. "Wait" meaning that if any inquiries are made they will be very, very quiet. Neither conference wants to get involved in a interference of contract lawsuit.

I can tell it's a lawyer talking. But I do understand. Incidentally, I've been scanning the Phoenix and Tucson newspaper websites. There's plenty of angst going on but they seem to be thinking Big 12. I don't think it occurs to them that he SEC could become an option. I think they are more concerned about fixing their situation soon than about maximizing their opportunities. https://tucson.com/sports/pac-12-ho...f-4ba87f942f3f.html#tracking-source=mp-sports

With UCLA, USC headed out of the Pac-12, what's next for conference, Arizona schools?

With UCLA, USC headed out of the Pac-12, what's next?

www.azcentral.com

 

[Rogue Cock]

I can tell it's a lawyer talking. But I do understand. Incidentally, I've been scanning the Phoenix and Tucson newspaper websites. There's plenty of angst going on but they seem to be thinking Big 12. I don't think it occurs to them that he SEC could become an option. I think they are more concerned about fixing their situation soon than about maximizing their opportunities. https://tucson.com/sports/pac-12-ho...f-4ba87f942f3f.html#tracking-source=mp-sports

With UCLA, USC headed out of the Pac-12, what's next for conference, Arizona schools?

With UCLA, USC headed out of the Pac-12, what's next?

www.azcentral.com

That article brings up an interesting scenario...both the PAC-12 and the BIG-12 trying to lure each others teams to their conference in order to stay viable. The ACC is almost hemmed in and doesn't have a lot of opportunities to expand outside of WVU and, maybe, Cincinnati and Houston.

The only thing certain at this point is that no one is leaving the SEC or the B1G.

 

[KingWard]

That article brings up an interesting scenario...both the PAC-12 and the BIG-12 trying to lure each others teams to their conference in order to stay viable. The ACC is almost hemmed in and doesn't have a lot of opportunities to expand outside of WVU and, maybe, Cincinnati and Houston.

The only thing certain at this point is that no one is leaving the SEC or the B1G.

I think Missouri could be induced by the B1G; but that doesn't mean the feeling is mutual.

 

[Rogue Cock]

I think Missouri could be induced by the B1G; but that doesn't mean the feeling is mutual.

True...they've long wanted to be a B1G member, but IIRC the B1G chose Nebraska over them.

 

[atl-cock]

True...they've long wanted to be a B1G member, but IIRC the B1G chose Nebraska over them.

Nebraska, like Mizzou sought B1G membership decades ago. Notre Dame sought B1G membership almost 100 years ago, but they got turned down because they are a Catholic school. Hard to imagine that today.