Wrestling brackets have been posted for B1G Tourney
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Berge has a big first match to get to Young from Iowa. Berge can beat Young. MO.
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Edsel beats bull.
0-0 after 1
Edsel escape 1-0 after 2
Bull escape 1-1 after 3
Take down Edsel 3-1 in SV
0-0 after 1
Edsel escape 1-0 after 2
Bull escape 1-1 after 3
Take down Edsel 3-1 in SV
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I’d love to believe that but I think the bull owns the first two periods. If Edsell can avoid getting pushed around by then he might be able to catch up with his gas tank as that would be Marinellis second match of the afternoon.
Slightly switching gears, if Marinelli wins the big 10 for a 4th championship, where does the * go, next to his name or at the top of the year he won it? *Covid.
The 6 PSU wrestlers having #1 or #2 seeds does hurt PSU in the team race. That's 6 matches where they receive byes in R1, and can't generate any bonus points. Pins, defaults, forfeits, or disqualifications generate 2 team points. TFs generate 1.5 team points IF the winner was awarded NF points during the match. Majors and TFs where the winner was not awarded NF points during the match generate 1 team point.
Wrestlers with a bye (the 6 PSUers) can earn one advancement point IF they win their match in the subsequent match.
Obviously, having a bye helps a wrestler avoid fatigue and injury, so there is a bonus in having a #1 or a #2 seed. It just hurts a bit in the team race.
Solution: have the PSU wrestlers win all their matches, and get bonus points in most of them.
Wrestlers with a bye (the 6 PSUers) can earn one advancement point IF they win their match in the subsequent match.
Obviously, having a bye helps a wrestler avoid fatigue and injury, so there is a bonus in having a #1 or a #2 seed. It just hurts a bit in the team race.
Solution: have the PSU wrestlers win all their matches, and get bonus points in most of them.
Key is getting the points back in the 2nd round by BONUS for those guys that have byes. Win the head to head matches against Iowa and Michigan.The 6 PSU wrestlers having #1 or #2 seeds does hurt PSU in the team race. That's 6 matches where they receive byes in R1, and can't generate any bonus points. Pins, defaults, forfeits, or disqualifications generate 2 team points. TFs generate 1.5 team points IF the winner was awarded NF points during the match. Majors and TFs where the winner was not awarded NF points during the match generate 1 team point.
Wrestlers with a bye (the 6 PSUers) can earn one advancement point IF they win their match in the subsequent match.
Obviously, having a bye helps a wrestler avoid fatigue and injury, so there is a bonus in having a #1 or a #2 seed. It just hurts a bit in the team race.
Solution: have the PSU wrestlers win all their matches, and get bonus points in most of them.
Most of Beau's wins, and loses, are by narrow margins, so predicting how he'll do is also a challenge. If you look at common opponents this season:
Ridge Lovett (Beau lost 0-6, Blockhus lost 2-7)
Sammy Sasso (Beau lost 2-4, Blockhus lost 4-10)
Max Murin (Beau lost 1-4, Blockhus lost 1-3)
Yianni (Beau lost 3-11, Blockhus lost 3-8)
They met last season at the B1Gs, and Blockhus won 5-3.
The match could go either way. I think it will be a narrow victory for Beau.
Berge hasn't wrestled a lot this season, and only twice at 157, so he's also a challenge to predict. They faced no common opponents this season, so you can't get any indications from that type of data.
They met last season in a dual, and Berge majored Model, 12-4.
My prediction is a decision for Berge.
Lastly, Edsell also presents challenges for predicting the outcome. If you look at common opponents this season, there is only one:
Michael Wilson (Edsell won 7-6, Lohrey lost 6-7)
This is another match that could go either way. I hope that Edsell, having a few weeks to prepare for Lohrey, and not worrying about whether he'll be in the lineup or not, will be able to get the win. I just don't have enough of a feel for their respective strengths and weaknesses to make a prediction.
For those getting first round byes...if they win their second round match, do they then get awarded 2 advancement points (one for the first round bye, one for the second round win)?The 6 PSU wrestlers having #1 or #2 seeds does hurt PSU in the team race. That's 6 matches where they receive byes in R1, and can't generate any bonus points. Pins, defaults, forfeits, or disqualifications generate 2 team points. TFs generate 1.5 team points IF the winner was awarded NF points during the match. Majors and TFs where the winner was not awarded NF points during the match generate 1 team point.
Wrestlers with a bye (the 6 PSUers) can earn one advancement point IF they win their match in the subsequent match.
Obviously, having a bye helps a wrestler avoid fatigue and injury, so there is a bonus in having a #1 or a #2 seed. It just hurts a bit in the team race.
Solution: have the PSU wrestlers win all their matches, and get bonus points in most of them.
I think the answer is yes, but hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can advise.
More questions/confusion. Does the winner of the championship match get an additional advancement point? (My guess is no.) What about the winners of the 3rd, 5th, and 7th place matches? (My guess is yes.) My guesses are based on doing the math according to PSU's seeds - it's been publicized that PSU would get 125 points, assuming all went according to seed and no bonus.
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Now that is by design or doesn’t make sense for team. How does having byes penalize your team when clearly number 1 seeds would get bonus points vs last seeds. Or is that on purpose that they have byes to keep it more even.The 6 PSU wrestlers having #1 or #2 seeds does hurt PSU in the team race. That's 6 matches where they receive byes in R1, and can't generate any bonus points. Pins, defaults, forfeits, or disqualifications generate 2 team points. TFs generate 1.5 team points IF the winner was awarded NF points during the match. Majors and TFs where the winner was not awarded NF points during the match generate 1 team point.
Wrestlers with a bye (the 6 PSUers) can earn one advancement point IF they win their match in the subsequent match.
Obviously, having a bye helps a wrestler avoid fatigue and injury, so there is a bonus in having a #1 or a #2 seed. It just hurts a bit in the team race.
Solution: have the PSU wrestlers win all their matches, and get bonus points in most of them.
Great question but I asked Tom about it yesterday (and thanks for posting it here, @Tom McAndrew.) It's almost a punishment to get a bye, in the team race sense.
I’d love to believe that but I think the bull owns the first two periods. If Edsell can avoid getting pushed around by then he might be able to catch up with his gas tank as that would be Marinellis second match of the afternoon.
Slightly switching gears, if Marinelli wins the big 10 for a 4th championship, where does the * go, next to his name or at the top of the year he won it? *Covi
I believe that is the case yes
A couple published reports have Penn State at 125 (and Iowa at 126.5) based only on seeding, assuming everything falls out as seeded as no bonus. Based on the questions I previously posted (and Tryingtodoitright's reassurance on one of them), I'm 92% certain below is correct - it was the only way I could hit 125. While it's mostly irrelevant to me (because of course it won't fall out as seeded and there will be bonus), what's interesting to me is how well a wrestler scores relative to "expected" (based on seeding). For example, Kerk is "expected" to score 13 points based on his 3 seed. Can/Will he outperform 13 points? Can our top guys score more than 19? Based on seeding alone, anything that Berge and Edsall get is gravy. Will be curious to see at end of tourney who outperforms their "expected" number of points. Hopefully all!
Kind of interesting that guys like catch-and-release guys (e.g., RBY) aren't incrementally rewarded in team tourneys. If RBY gets ahead by 8 points, there's no reward to the team for him to go for the TF unless he's going to try to turn his opponent (or already have turned him). RBY showed us a couple tilts this year. Would be beneficial to the team if after that first takedown or two, while he's building riding time, flip him over, get a 2 or 4 count (ideally 4), and get back to catch-and-release. I suspect guys aren't really coached to go out of their comfort zone, but as we know, those extra 0.5 points can add up and potentially make a difference!The 6 PSU wrestlers having #1 or #2 seeds does hurt PSU in the team race. That's 6 matches where they receive byes in R1, and can't generate any bonus points. Pins, defaults, forfeits, or disqualifications generate 2 team points. TFs generate 1.5 team points IF the winner was awarded NF points during the match. Majors and TFs where the winner was not awarded NF points during the match generate 1 team point.
Wrestlers with a bye (the 6 PSUers) can earn one advancement point IF they win their match in the subsequent match.
Obviously, having a bye helps a wrestler avoid fatigue and injury, so there is a bonus in having a #1 or a #2 seed. It just hurts a bit in the team race.
Solution: have the PSU wrestlers win all their matches, and get bonus points in most of them.
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