WTF Manny?? at least give your guys a chance

[s1uggo72]

Here's the big UM TD. But look, somehow we are lined up wrong. Did the kids line up wrong? or is this a bad scheme? (my guess). You can see from the end zone shot, on the TE side we have a 3 and a 5 (maybe a 7) with no force to that side. I mean? give your guys a chance. UM has us out maned at the POA but a least 1 guy maybe 2, and it goes for a TD. SMH and he wants to believe we are too small.......as the wise old coach would say, that kind of shiat gets your a$$ beat. (actually he would say fired, except with a lifetime contract that aint happening)
heck the Lbers are even slide away from the TE.



That’s D-line, that’s the linebackers. They outplayed us on both fronts

no they didnt, your kids lined up wrong, or they were coached to line up wrong. 10-1 they called for overshifted front to the strong side, and assumed the TE would declare the strength. but the TE was backside, and now you are overshifted to the open side, leaving the the backside to a TE, were they have you outnumbered. instead of making a strong call, make a tight call

 

[s1uggo72]

looky here.....
scUM come up, OT over (leaving a TE on the 2 man backside) it looks like we slant to the field. Now 44 doesnt slant which creates a big natural hole. 23, imo , plays the trap with the wrong shoulder, he should have taken that on with his left shoulder to the inside thigh pad, that would help close the hole. the MLB needs to take that on tougher, and the 2 safties trip over themselves, turning a 7-10 run into a home run. Manny has a great D.....I feel sorry for the kids.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

We have a Mike who has zero eyes AND can't run. He stood there and let the LG come 5 yards up field and hit him while he still diagnosed the play.

You got a play side DE who played a TE nearly straight up and lost. Didn't keep outside leverage, didn't have a LB there with outside leverage. DB King was there and that's it. You could say he did his job, he secured the edge and turned the play inside, but scheme has him too far off the line to give him a chance to make a play.

DT, Beamon who is undersized, gets shoved inside and is neutralized.

LB Jacobs is probably the guy who should have made the play and he commits to the wrong gap. Terrible vision, terrible instincts. He could have forced the play further inside (where Elsdon and 46 were) or perhaps made the tackle.

Brown was pretty slow to react as well. Again, he probably should have been in King's spot and playing on the line. Any time shotgun snap and RB is left of QB, play side runs go to the right.

Scheme, alignment, and execution: all awful on that play.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

looky here.....
scUM come up, OT over (leaving a TE on the 2 man backside) it looks like we slant to the field. Now 44 doesnt slant which creates a big natural hole. 23, imo , plays the trap with the wrong shoulder, he should have taken that on with his left shoulder to the inside thigh pad, that would help close the hole. the MLB needs to take that on tougher, and the 2 safties trip over themselves, turning a 7-10 run into a home run. Manny has a great D.....I feel sorry for the kids.

Every DL lost their battle. Elsdon doesn't make the play. Reed runs into the blocking instead of the runner.

If we don't go into the portal for a Mike, or attempt to make Carter one, this same flaw will exist next year unless Wylie is capable of being ready day 1 as a RS freshman.

 

[s1uggo72]

Every DL lost their battle. Elsdon doesn't make the play. Reed runs into the blocking instead of the runner.

If we don't go into the portal for a Mike, or attempt to make Carter one, this same flaw will exist next year unless Wylie is capable of being ready day 1 as a RS freshman.

as much as we complain about the players, and execution, I think they are put into bad positions by the scheme ie coaches.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

as much as we complain about the players, and execution, I think they are put into bad positions by the scheme ie coaches.

Completely agree. It's not like any of these runs you outlined were anything out of the ordinary. Michigan played leverage. When we had the advantage wide, they ran inside. When we played tight, they ran wide.

Never mind they had a size advantage OL vs DL and their RBs were better than our LBs.

 

[FTLPSU]

Yes #23 you play the trap with Inside shoulder-which is textbook LB Trap shedding...

#43 on that play waiting for the Hat to come up on him--slow play recognition---he should have Filled-half the Hat to his left should would have closed that Gap up quick...Ofcourse a great DL makes most LB'ers look good SMH

 

[Bvillebaron]

We have a Mike who has zero eyes AND can't run. He stood there and let the LG come 5 yards up field and hit him while he still diagnosed the play.

You got a play side DE who played a TE nearly straight up and lost. Didn't keep outside leverage, didn't have a LB there with outside leverage. DB King was there and that's it. You could say he did his job, he secured the edge and turned the play inside, but scheme has him too far off the line to give him a chance to make a play.

DT, Beamon who is undersized, gets shoved inside and is neutralized.

LB Jacobs is probably the guy who should have made the play and he commits to the wrong gap. Terrible vision, terrible instincts. He could have forced the play further inside (where Elsdon and 46 were) or perhaps made the tackle.

Brown was pretty slow to react as well. Again, he probably should have been in King's spot and playing on the line. Any time shotgun snap and RB is left of QB, play side runs go to the right.

Scheme, alignment, and execution: all awful on that play.

Well I think there were some alignment and defensive breakdown issues for sure, but let's be honest, Michigan beat PSU on both sides of the line the whole day and believe me no one despises Michigan more than me.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

Well I think there were some alignment and defensive breakdown issues for sure, but let's be honest, Michigan beat PSU on both sides of the line the whole day and believe me no one despises Michigan more than me.

What do you think was the primary cause?

Does their S&C work better than ours?

Do they have better players?

Do they have better coordinators and position coaches?

 

[s1uggo72]

What do you think was the primary cause?

Does their S&C work better than ours?

Do they have better players?

Do they have better coordinators and position coaches?

Listen the S& C guys have nothing to do with the fact we played basically 2 over 4 ( first clip) I put that on the coach and scheme

 

[rudedude]

Michigan OL is gigantic and has two Grad linemen, 2 Senior linemen, and one Junior lineman. We have very lightweight DL outside of PJ. Michigan’s OL has a couple of 6’7” and 6’6” linemen too. Huge disparity and a bad matchup for us. The two long runs were killers as well as offensive ineptitude.

 

[s1uggo72]

Michigan OL is gigantic and has two Grad linemen, 2 Senior linemen, and one Junior lineman. We have very lightweight DL outside of PJ. Michigan’s OL has a couple of 6’7” and 6’6” linemen too. Huge disparity and a bad matchup for us. The two long runs were killers as well as offensive ineptitude.

You know what?? All of that’s irrelevant. When your force of contain or the guy to set the edge ( whatever you want to call him) lines up inside the guy , he can’t do his job hell you could make that block against us, just be body position. We did put our guy into a position to succeed.
the 2 huge runs came from scheme problems not UM being better

 

[bbb2021]

Michigan OL is gigantic and has two Grad linemen, 2 Senior linemen, and one Junior lineman. We have very lightweight DL outside of PJ. Michigan’s OL has a couple of 6’7” and 6’6” linemen too. Huge disparity and a bad matchup for us. The two long runs were killers as well as offensive ineptitude.

Well, the sad news is that the OSU line is every bit as big and probably even more talented. I follow Kiper and a few other NFL draft projections and OSU's left tackle - Paris Johnson - has been on every 1st round projection so far and that humongous right tackle - D. Jones (around 6' 8" and 360) has joined Johnson on a few 1st round lists and has been on 2nd and 3rd round projections at the very least. Their center - Wipler (sp?) - is also outstanding. Their OL starters range from 6' 3" (Wipler) to 6' 8" (Jones). The small one is 300 lbs (center Wipler) and the rest are 360, 320, 315 and 310 according to Eleven Warriors

My point - what we saw with Michigan's OL is just a rinse and repeat when we play OSU - maybe even better. I'm not looking forward to that horseshit one bit

 

[Bwifan]

To me there are 2 big issues. Size and speed. Our Dline especially inside is just too small except for PJ. Our LBs are too slow both to react to what they are reading and physically. Scheme yes not great but hard to tell what works when your defense is getting blasted downfield and creating holes large enough to drive 18 wheelers through. Probably 1 other thing not mentioned nearly enough IMHO. Michigans' tailback was very good. He got lost due to his size behind the large linemen and was very tough to bring down. Not many RBs with his skill level and strength for his size.

 

[PSUwolf]

To me there are 2 big issues. Size and speed. Our Dline especially inside is just too small except for PJ. Our LBs are too slow both to react to what they are reading and physically. Scheme yes not great but hard to tell what works when your defense is getting blasted downfield and creating holes large enough to drive 18 wheelers through. Probably 1 other thing not mentioned nearly enough IMHO. Michigans' tailback was very good. He got lost due to his size behind the large linemen and was very tough to bring down. Not many RBs with his skill level and strength for his size.

The play - or lack of play - by our linebackers was beyond bad. They looked absolutely lost at times. Once the Michigan RBs got past our DL, it was just too easy for them.

 

[Bvillebaron]

The play - or lack of play - by our linebackers was beyond bad. They looked absolutely lost at times. Once the Michigan RBs got past our DL, it was just too easy for them.

Yeah I agree. Jacobs was constantly out of position. I understand Carter struggling since he’s a freshman, but I expected more from Jacobs.

 

[TrevYoung]

looky here.....
scUM come up, OT over (leaving a TE on the 2 man backside) it looks like we slant to the field. Now 44 doesnt slant which creates a big natural hole. 23, imo , plays the trap with the wrong shoulder, he should have taken that on with his left shoulder to the inside thigh pad, that would help close the hole. the MLB needs to take that on tougher, and the 2 safties trip over themselves, turning a 7-10 run into a home run. Manny has a great D.....I feel sorry for the kids.

If 23 does what you wanted him to do, then the QB could have easily kept the ball and ran for a long gain. There weren't any other defenders on that side to stop the QB run.

 

[s1uggo72]

If 23 does what you wanted him to do, then the QB could have easily kept the ball and ran for a long gain. There weren't any other defenders on that side to stop the QB run.

look again #4 could easily make the play on the QB

 

[PSU87]

look again #4 could easily make the play on the QB