You simply can't lose all of your home games

[stucknbig10country]

Even during the good years, my major complaint with Stoops is his inability to win the big home game. If you look at his record, many of the big wins were either road wins (UF 2018, UT 2020, etc) or neutral (Citrus bowls).

Last year, the fans turned up and got loud for South Carolina and Vandy. Letdowns. Repeated close home losses to Tennessee. Always failure.

Very tough to keep people excited when you're mad walking out of your own stadium every week.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

How many consecutive sec home losses is it now? 8?

 

[megablue]

How many consecutive sec home losses is it now? 8?

Yes. You are correct, it seems. My research shows eight (8) consecutive SEC losses at Kroger Field now.

 

[Pattyice270812]

From watching on TV, looks like ole miss fans got in. Not just where visitors sits but across throughout stadium. Seems like fans gotten tired of the product. Why show up when offense is uninspiring that puts defense on the field too much.

 

[megablue]

From watching on TV, looks like ole miss fans got in. Not just where visitors sits but across throughout stadium. Seems like fans gotten tired of the product. Why show up when offense is uninspiring that puts defense on the field too much.

I may be wrong, but I think our crowds would be much less if Kroger Field didn't provide so much ample space for tail-gaiting.
People want to see a good football team, of course, but the tail-gaiting and gameday atmosphere at Kroger Field is a huge draw for BBN.

 

[rick64]

What's Stoops overall record vs SEC teams?

 

[PipBBN]

From watching on TV, looks like ole miss fans got in. Not just where visitors sits but across throughout stadium. Seems like fans gotten tired of the product. Why show up when offense is uninspiring that puts defense on the field too much.

I was in section 228. There weren’t as many Ole Miss fans as it appeared. They showed up, but it wasn’t a huge number. Nothing like when TN or some other schools when they come here.

I show up because I want to support and I attend the games with family. It’s getting harder and harder to be excited or expect a win though. Change is needed.

 

[FredmanthecatfanAnon]

“Sounds like a challenge. Hold my beer “. —Stoops

 

[Buckwheat Otay Is Dead]

Until Barnhart is gone nothing will change for UK football.

 

[Bluesbrother]

Even during the good years, my major complaint with Stoops is his inability to win the big home game. If you look at his record, many of the big wins were either road wins (UF 2018, UT 2020, etc) or neutral (Citrus bowls).

Last year, the fans turned up and got loud for South Carolina and Vandy. Letdowns. Repeated close home losses to Tennessee. Always failure.

Very tough to keep people excited when you're mad walking out of your own stadium every week.

You don't have to win them all ... you just can't lose them all. Somehow Stoops didn't get the memo.

 

[paulcalhoun_rivals397471]

What's Stoops overall record vs SEC teams?

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Stoops SEC record is bad (36-63 including a 4-20 start digging out of Jokers mess) just like every UK coach not named Bear Bryant (22-18). Stoops has our only winning SEC seasons (2) since Curci did it in 1977. Notice the SOS ranking (full schedule not just conference). According to this we have never played a below average schedule since the days of Bryant and those schedules were only fractionally below average. Bryant did go (9-3) and (11-1) those two seasons. We've had five Top 20 finishes in the last 72 years. Stoops has 2, Curci had 2, Claiborne had one.

 

[stevepp]

Until Barnhart is gone nothing will change for UK football.

And Capiluto. The JMI sellout is also killing us. Right Mitch?

 

[stucknbig10country]

From watching on TV, looks like ole miss fans got in. Not just where visitors sits but across throughout stadium. Seems like fans gotten tired of the product. Why show up when offense is uninspiring that puts defense on the field too much.

Yes, they did. They are not a big traveling fanbase like Tennessee, Georgia, Auburn, et al. But, clearly they are excited about their team and coach.

 

[stucknbig10country]

You don't have to win them all ... you just can't lose them all. Somehow Stoops didn't get the memo.

THIS. I know we are in the biggest of big boy conferences. I don't expect to win half of our games against top 10 teams. I do expect to beat peer programs like South Carolina and Mizzou and Ole miss when we play them at home.

 

[Bluesbrother]

THIS. I know we are in the biggest of big boy conferences. I don't expect to win half of our games against top 10 teams. I do expect to beat peer programs like South Carolina and Mizzou and Ole miss when we play them at home.

I would just be happy to see some evidence of consistent improvement to build upon year over year. Stoops inability to build on success is maddening. He's always starting over each year. He is incompetent and to think he's paid as if he's top-shelf is on Barnhart. There is no accountability starting with the AD.

 

[Snarks]

Ummmm, yes you can. Stoops is proving that and getting paid handsomely to do so

 

[paulcalhoun_rivals397471]

THIS. I know we are in the biggest of big boy conferences. I don't expect to win half of our games against top 10 teams. I do expect to beat peer programs like South Carolina and Mizzou and Ole miss when we play them at home.

Those "peer" programs expect to beat us at their place as well but it doesn't always happen for them either. UK is 15-31-1 against OleMiss (Stoops 1-4), 14-21-1vs SC (Stoops 7-5),9-5 vs Missouri (Stoops 9-4). That is 17-13 against that group for Stoops and 38-57-1 for UK all time. Pretty near what I expected to find.

 

[Vek96]

Even during the good years, my major complaint with Stoops is his inability to win the big home game. If you look at his record, many of the big wins were either road wins (UF 2018, UT 2020, etc) or neutral (Citrus bowls).

Last year, the fans turned up and got loud for South Carolina and Vandy. Letdowns. Repeated close home losses to Tennessee. Always failure.

Very tough to keep people excited when you're mad walking out of your own stadium every w

You don’t pay a coach $9.2 million a year to be 1-10 in his last 11 SEC games, including 0-6 in their last 6 Conference home games. Stoops is currently the 12th highest paid coach in CFB. Any other SEC Coach would be long fired with these numbers.

He’s been here 14 freaking years. He’s been overpaid for 14 years. AND his team is now the worst in the SEC after he’s had the best facilities, the biggest recruiting budgets, the most fan support, than any Coach in UK football history, and again, he’s been overpaid every year, AND yet, we’re at the bottom of the SEC. And look, I like Mark. I think he’s a good person. He’s done some good things here, but, it’s time to move on.

 

[Crestcat]

You don’t pay a coach $9.2 million a year to be 1-10 in his last 11 SEC games, including 0-6 in their last 6 Conference home games. Stoops is currently the 12th highest paid coach in CFB. Any other SEC Coach would be long fired with these numbers.

He’s been here 14 freaking years. He’s been overpaid for 14 years. AND his team is now the worst in the SEC after he’s had the best facilities, the biggest recruiting budgets, the most fan support, than any Coach in UK football history, and again, he’s been overpaid every year, AND yet, we’re at the bottom of the SEC.

MB has proven conclusively that overpaying coaches does not win ball games.

 

[stucknbig10country]

Those "peer" programs expect to beat us at their place as well but it doesn't always happen for them either. Our true peer program in the SEC has actually always been Vandy and we have stayed pretty near .500 with them historically.

Of course, "it doesn't always happen"...that's why these are human beings playing a game. But, it's a reasonable expectation.

Also, we recently had five game winning streaks against USC, Miz, and UL. Those programs have similar (or fewer) resources. They are not in the Texas / Bama / Florida stratosphere. We should absolutely expect to win half the time against programs like that.

 

[Snarks]

You don’t pay a coach $9.2 million a year to be 1-10 in his last 11 SEC games, including 0-6 in their last 6 Conference home games. Stoops is currently the 12th highest paid coach in CFB. Any other SEC Coach would be long fired with these numbers.

He’s been here 14 freaking years. He’s been overpaid for 14 years. AND his team is now the worst in the SEC after he’s had the best facilities, the biggest recruiting budgets, the most fan support, than any Coach in UK football history, and again, he’s been overpaid every year, AND yet, we’re at the bottom of the SEC. And look, I like Mark. I think he’s a good person. He’s done some good things here, but, it’s time to move on.

This x100……Not sure how even Mitch B thought paying Stoops top 10 money was a good idea. At some point he has to call a bluff and if a coach leaves, a coach leaves.

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

Stoops definitely can. He’s proved it. And he’ll try like hell to do it again.

 

[paulcalhoun_rivals397471]

Of course, "it doesn't always happen"...that's why these are human beings playing a game. But, it's a reasonable expectation.

Also, we recently had five game winning streaks against USC, Miz, and UL. Those programs have similar (or fewer) resources. They are not in the Texas / Bama / Florida stratosphere. We should absolutely expect to win half the time against programs like that.

UK is 15-31-1 against OleMiss (Stoops 1-4), 14-21-1vs SC (Stoops 7-5),9-5 vs Missouri (Stoops 9-4). That is 17-13 against that group for Stoops and 38-57-1 for UK all time. Pretty near what I expected to find. So Stoops has won more than half the time against this 3 team group.

I noticed UL is now one of the 3 teams listed due to recent 5 game win streaks by MS led UK teams. I was responding to the peer group from above in this thread. Subbing out Ole Miss for UL would obviously help both UK's and Stoop's cause.

 

[bigblueinsanity (the real)]

Of course, "it doesn't always happen"...that's why these are human beings playing a game. But, it's a reasonable expectation.

Also, we recently had five game winning streaks against USC, Miz, and UL. Those programs have similar (or fewer) resources. They are not in the Texas / Bama / Florida stratosphere. We should absolutely expect to win half the time against programs like that.

And now those 3 all have better football nil. Yes even Louisville.

Its no coincidence we started seeing this gap widen when nil arrived. Mitch wont even declare the revenue split.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

And now those 3 all have better football nil. Yes even Louisville.

Its no coincidence we started seeing this gap widen when nil arrived. Mitch wont even declare the revenue split.

I agree. UK is clearly lagging well behind n NIL.

 

[Shydog]

how much nil $ do we have and how much do these other schools have?Not asking for exact numbers, just within a million or so for each school!

 

[stucknbig10country]

I'm pretty sure Vandy is the only SEC team with similar or less resources than UK. Instate talent is just as big of an issue. When we have actually had some legitimate instate talent to work with it has been pretty fruitful.

Not true. While it is true that Kentucky is one of the smaller states in the SEC footprint, UK has always been middle to lower middle in revenue and profitability. We routinely outperform Vandy, the Mississippi schools, Missouri and Arkansas...we are on par with South Carolina. We are clearly below Alabama, Tennessee, the Texas schools, Florida, Georgia, and LSU.

 

[stucknbig10country]

And now those 3 all have better football nil. Yes even Louisville.

Its no coincidence we started seeing this gap widen when nil arrived. Mitch wont even declare the revenue split.

Anecdotally, this seems true, but I've had a hard time finding any real numbers on NIL strength. And now that the "NIL" is going underneath the UK umbrella, it's even harder to figure out.

 

[Bluesbrother]

MB has proven conclusively that overpaying coaches does not win ball games.

It's an absolute certainty that Barnhart doesn't understand the logic.

 

[Bluesbrother]

This x100……Not sure how even Mitch B thought paying Stoops top 10 money was a good idea. At some point he has to call a bluff and if a coach leaves, a coach leaves.

Agreed but I believe Barnhart will do just about anything to avoid another coaching search before he retires ... which is shameful IMO.

 

[paulcalhoun_rivals397471]

The small output of high level D1 instate prospects (which UL has the money to cut into) has long been our biggest problem. I'd like to get back to hitting Ohio as hard as we can again.

 

[KyCPA2000]

Until Barnhart is gone nothing will change for UK football.

I disagree. I think football's problem is the tradition of UK basketball. You cant afford to be great at basketball and be anything other than mediocre at football.

 

[ukalum1988]

Agreed but I believe Barnhart will do just about anything to avoid another coaching search before he retires ... which is shameful IMO.

Late to the thread….. you’re certainly not wrong…. But even so, I’m not sure I would want Barnhart in charge of the search for a new coach.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

I disagree. I think football's problem is the tradition of UK basketball. You cant afford to be great at basketball and be anything other than mediocre at football.

We could be mediocre at basketball and still wouldn't win in football. Don't have the in state recruiting talent or NIL money big time sec programs do. You aren't winning big with heart and moxy when the other guys all have better players, coaches, etc.

 

[KyCPA2000]

We could be mediocre at basketball and still wouldn't win in football. Don't have the in state recruiting talent or NIL money big time sec programs do. You aren't winning big with heart and moxy when the other guys all have better players, coaches, etc.

When I say mediocre at football, what i am really saying is we can't spend the money on football that the others in the SEC are.

 

[Bluesbrother]

This program is now the doormat of the SEC and it's not because of anything other than these CLOWN COACHES ... all of them.

 

[Bluesbrother]

We could be mediocre at basketball and still wouldn't win in football. Don't have the in state recruiting talent or NIL money big time sec programs do. You aren't winning big with heart and moxy when the other guys all have better players, coaches, etc.

Would you call Vanderbilt a big-time SEC program? Stoops is the first problem that has to be fixed and is the biggest stumbling block and then there is Barnhart. This program is doormat status and it's rotting from the TOP down, being run by a cabal of CLOWNS.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

Would you call Vanderbilt a big-time SEC program? Stoops is the first problem that has to be fixed and is the biggest stumbling block and then there is Barnhart. This program is doormat status and it's rotting from the TOP down, being run by a cabal of CLOWNS.

Vandy is cute but they will finish 7 and 5 probably.

Big deal. We have went 7 and 5 a ton the past 20 seasons and even 9 and 3 twice.

 

[Snarks]

Vandy is cute but they will finish 7 and 5 probably.

Big deal. We have went 7 and 5 a ton the past 20 seasons and even 9 and 3 twice.

This is a new SEC with realignment. We haven’t gone 7-5 in the NEW SEC.

 

[KyCPA2000]

Vandy is cute but they will finish 7 and 5 probably.

Big deal. We have went 7 and 5 a ton the past 20 seasons and even 9 and 3 twice.

Umm.....from what I saw today Vandy is winning more than 7. Nothing cute about it.