“Ivy League to participate in FCS playoffs starting in 2025”

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Nothing to fear for the rest of FCS. These days Ivies couldn't win spelling bees, let alone playoff football games.
 
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Interesting. I wonder how many teams they can get in each year? Traditionally, there's two or three teams at the top each year with often teams 1-3 beating one another. Plus they play 10 games, not 12 each year. This year, for example, Harvard and Dartmouth both went 8-2. Of course, Yale played spoilers and beat the Crimson. Otherwise, I guess Harvard would have been 9-1 and the FCS entry?
 
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I think they could win spelling bees. Son played Ivy hired by top 5 in the country law firm. WR teammate makes 10 mil a year. Sounds like jealousy to me. 2 teammates played NFL.
Oh, there are still smart ones. Other than the STEM students though, they aren't learning anything they couldn't learn outside the walls though. With grade inflation, no one fails and everyone does great. So what's the point?
 

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Oh, there are still smart ones. Other than the STEM students though, they aren't learning anything they couldn't learn outside the walls though. With grade inflation, no one fails and everyone does great. So what's the point?
One of my former players is at Yale, said most of the team is STEM or economics majors, few polysci, etc. Nobody got a free pass to get in there all guys are smart, but he did say that some of the non athlete students, well lets just say he cant figure out how some got in.lol
 
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I think they could win spelling bees. Son played Ivy hired by top 5 in the country law firm. WR teammate makes 10 mil a year. Sounds like jealousy to me. 2 teammates played NFL.
But can they build mini golf courses in people's back yards? 😏
 

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Oh, there are still smart ones. Other than the STEM students though, they aren't learning anything they couldn't learn outside the walls though. With grade inflation, no one fails and everyone does great. So what's the point?
 

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The networks of elite institutions alone are almost worth the price of admission. If you can go, you go.
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But can they build mini golf courses in people's back yards? 😏
Nice dig. I was the national sales manager and then general manager for a company that at one point had 88 exclusive dealers worldwide. I wasn't digging up yards. We did countless soccer fields, football fields, playgrounds, lawns and (yes) installed putting greens on 7 continents.

With my own company we easily did over $2 million retail sales/year.

I'm pretty happy w/ my post golf pro life's work and resume - which is all I can ask for. Most of it can be seen on google earth.

Hope you're as happy with yours.
 

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Nice dig. I was the national sales manager and then general manager for a company that at one point had 88 exclusive dealers worldwide. I wasn't digging up yards. We did countless soccer fields, football fields, playgrounds, lawns and (yes) installed putting greens on 7 continents.

With my own company we easily did over $2 million retail sales/year.

I'm pretty happy w/ my post golf pro life's work and resume - which is all I can ask for. Most of it can be seen on google earth.

Hope you're as happy with yours.
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One of my friends (lawyer) went to Brown as an undergrad and one day we were chatting about The Big Short and she mentioned that she knew a fellow Brown grad who was featured in the movie (think as part of Carell’s group). She said he was well known on campus as kind of a finance whiz. With small undergrad enrollments and high selectivity, that kind of person can be ‘known’ in a school like Brown (figure fewer than 2,000 students a grade). Compare to a big public, and that just doesn’t happen class wide - maybe finance clubs or Econ clubs know the standouts, but that’s it.
 
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Nice dig. I was the national sales manager and then general manager for a company that at one point had 88 exclusive dealers worldwide. I wasn't digging up yards. We did countless soccer fields, football fields, playgrounds, lawns and (yes) installed putting greens on 7 continents.

With my own company we easily did over $2 million retail sales/year.

I'm pretty happy w/ my post golf pro life's work and resume - which is all I can ask for. Most of it can be seen on google earth.

Hope you're as happy with yours.
Antarctica too?
 

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The networks of elite institutions alone are almost worth the price of admission. If you can go, you go.
2’s company is hinting they may send him to business school. He’s seen the results of those before him, said he’ll be set for life if it happens. He’s applying to Penn, Harvard, Chicago and NW. His Christmas present from us are app fees and study materials.
 

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One of my friends (lawyer) went to Brown as an undergrad and one day we were chatting about The Big Short and she mentioned that she knew a fellow Brown grad who was featured in the movie (think as part of Carell’s group). She said he was well known on campus as kind of a finance whiz. With small undergrad enrollments and high selectivity, that kind of person can be ‘known’ in a school like Brown (figure fewer than 2,000 students a grade). Compare to a big public, and that just doesn’t happen class wide - maybe finance clubs or Econ clubs know the standouts, but that’s it.
Schreyer has that
 

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I think they could win spelling bees. Son played Ivy hired by top 5 in the country law firm. WR teammate makes 10 mil a year. Sounds like jealousy to me. 2 teammates played NFL.
My son also played Ivy football before going to law school. Clerked for federal district and appellate judges and works for a firm on K St in DC. His 2009 and 2010 Penn teams played Villanova twice in close but losing efforts, and would have gone a round or two in playoffs. Every other sport in the Ivy League has post-season play, and this change was initiated by current Ivy student-athletes. The kids he played with would have loved the opportunity.
 

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Here’s the old joke about the Ivy’s
They have fall n spring lacrosse
Fall n spring baseball
Fall n spring track
They couldn’t have spring football because that would be over emphasis on sports
 
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One of my friends (lawyer) went to Brown as an undergrad and one day we were chatting about The Big Short and she mentioned that she knew a fellow Brown grad who was featured in the movie (think as part of Carell’s group). She said he was well known on campus as kind of a finance whiz. With small undergrad enrollments and high selectivity, that kind of person can be ‘known’ in a school like Brown (figure fewer than 2,000 students a grade). Compare to a big public, and that just doesn’t happen class wide - maybe finance clubs or Econ clubs know the standouts, but that’s it.
Think Schreyer. You get the best of both worlds. Two of mine graduated from Schreyer and the one who didn't apply was the best qualified, yet she had an almost equal experience as her Profs saw the potential and pulled her into their shell. Big Publics can be the best choice if you choose wisely.
 
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Think Schreyer. You get the best of both worlds. Two of mine graduated from Schreyer and the one who didn't apply was the best qualified, yet she had an almost equal experience as her Profs saw the potential and pulled her into their shell. Big Publics can be the best choice if you choose wisely.
I was part of the University Scholars program (the predecessor to Schreyer) - it was an upgrade over the typical PSU education, but it wasn’t equivalent to an Ivy. Many of the Honors courses I took were actually just play time … they assumed you’d learn the material on your own, so you’d just do projects applying those concepts, rather than being taught the material in-depth. Same blah profs taught those classes as taught the regular versions. Got to take grad-level courses as an undergrad, but those were pretty rudimentary, too.

The typical Ivy just presents a different experience and atmosphere … academic rigor, contacts, connections, resources.

And Ivies can be cheaper, if you need them to be (and they are VERY generous with what they consider “need”).

Every situation is unique, though, and I’m about to enter a 4 year journey of college selection (via my 2 boys) that will likely involve weighing Ivy opportunities and alternatives … so this should be fun.
 
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Think Schreyer. You get the best of both worlds. Two of mine graduated from Schreyer and the one who didn't apply was the best qualified, yet she had an almost equal experience as her Profs saw the potential and pulled her into their shell. Big Publics can be the best choice if you choose wisely.

If you can’t go to college, go to State.

😞
 

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2’s company is hinting they may send him to business school. He’s seen the results of those before him, said he’ll be set for life if it happens. He’s applying to Penn, Harvard, Chicago and NW. His Christmas present from us are app fees and study materials.
Study materials for what? If he hasn’t taken the GMAT yet, he shouldn’t have his target schools set just yet. Buy one study book and study it for a night and that should be enough to ace the GMAT if he doesn’t drool on himself. If he’s a science guy, Sloan should be on his wish list. So should Stanford.
 
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Not a science guy. A guy from his company just finished mit. It’s prob on the list
 
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I was part of the University Scholars program (the predecessor to Schreyer) - it was an upgrade over the typical PSU education, but it wasn’t equivalent to an Ivy. Many of the Honors courses I took were actually just play time … they assumed you’d learn the material on your own, so you’d just do projects applying those concepts, rather than being taught the material in-depth. Same blah profs taught those classes as taught the regular versions. Got to take grad-level courses as an undergrad, but those were pretty rudimentary, too.

The typical Ivy just presents a different experience and atmosphere … academic rigor, contacts, connections, resources.

And Ivies can be cheaper, if you need them to be (and they are VERY generous with what they consider “need”).

Every situation is unique, though, and I’m about to enter a 4 year journey of college selection (via my 2 boys) that will likely involve weighing Ivy opportunities and alternatives … so this should be fun.
Good luck @Moogy ! I have two 'sort of' adults (3rd year med school and grad school next Fall) and 2 more finishing HS. I visited 23 schools for the first two when they were choosing undergrad. I developed my own Excel charts on their interests and the schools. Two admissions departments at state schools email me their proposed marketing materials to look at and proof after getting to know several admissions reps from fairly prestigious schools. The process is just networking and asking questions - I don't blame kids for not knowing schools or being unsure about where they should be. After the first two did very well, I'm convinced you want rigor and fit. The tough part is defining fit. Rigor you can identify and read between the lines imho. Do they allow accelerated degrees. Do they have young and upcoming professors? Does the plan for the major include tough courses and make sense for your kid? But fit is different. You also need to ask your own kids questions and then figure out the fit based on what they say and what you see and hear at the schools. Otherwise, you have what my friends have experienced -- unhappy kids who end up transferring and wasting money.

FWIW, Miami University in Ohio is impressive. D1 went there. One of the little Ivies as they say. I'm also currently looking at both SUNY Stony Brook and SUNY Binghamton for the younger kids -- both schools have shed the SUNY label and are now well regarded academic schools.
 
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Good luck @Moogy ! I have two 'sort of' adults (3rd year med school and grad school next Fall) and 2 more finishing HS. I visited 23 schools for the first two when they were choosing undergrad. I developed my own Excel charts on their interests and the schools. Two admissions departments at state schools email me their proposed marketing materials to look at and proof after getting to know several admissions reps from fairly prestigious schools. The process is just networking and asking questions - I don't blame kids for not knowing schools or being unsure about where they should be. After the first two did very well, I'm convinced you want rigor and fit. The tough part is defining fit. Rigor you can identify and read between the lines imho. Do they allow accelerated degrees. Do they have young and upcoming professors? Does the plan for the major include tough courses and make sense for your kid? But fit is different. You also need to ask your own kids questions and then figure out the fit based on what they say and what you see and hear at the schools. Otherwise, you have what my friends have experienced -- unhappy kids who end up transferring and wasting money.

FWIW, Miami University in Ohio is impressive. D1 went there. One of the little Ivies as they say. I'm also currently looking at both SUNY Stony Brook and SUNY Binghamton for the younger kids -- both have shed the SUNY label and are now well regarded academic schools.
Stony Brook has a wow wow wow Mathematics department. Just saying.
 
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Would it more appropriate to say Wow to the third power?
It’s actually wow to the 17th power but who has the time?

Seriously, that department is hot stuff. John Milnor and Dennis Sullivan both won the Abel Prize.
 
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Good luck @Moogy ! I have two 'sort of' adults (3rd year med school and grad school next Fall) and 2 more finishing HS. I visited 23 schools for the first two when they were choosing undergrad. I developed my own Excel charts on their interests and the schools. Two admissions departments at state schools email me their proposed marketing materials to look at and proof after getting to know several admissions reps from fairly prestigious schools. The process is just networking and asking questions - I don't blame kids for not knowing schools or being unsure about where they should be. After the first two did very well, I'm convinced you want rigor and fit. The tough part is defining fit. Rigor you can identify and read between the lines imho. Do they allow accelerated degrees. Do they have young and upcoming professors? Does the plan for the major include tough courses and make sense for your kid? But fit is different. You also need to ask your own kids questions and then figure out the fit based on what they say and what you see and hear at the schools. Otherwise, you have what my friends have experienced -- unhappy kids who end up transferring and wasting money.

FWIW, Miami University in Ohio is impressive. D1 went there. One of the little Ivies as they say. I'm also currently looking at both SUNY Stony Brook and SUNY Binghamton for the younger kids -- both have shed the SUNY label and are now well regarded academic schools.
My top assistant baseball coach is a recent Miami of Ohio grad. Building rockets at the Hopkins APL here in MD. Dumbass UMD waitlisted him out of HS so he went to Miami for Mech Eng and is making tons of cash.
 
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My top assistant baseball coach is a recent Miami of Ohio grad. Building rockets at the Hopkins APL here in MD. Dumbass UMD waitlisted him out of HS so he went to Miami from Mech Eng and is making tons of cash.
From my two kids experience and what I’ve read , Tier 1 is more important for non-STEM majors . The cream does eventually rise to the top .
 

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It’s actually wow to the 17th power but who has the time?

Seriously, that department is hot stuff. John Milnor and Dennis Sullivan both won the Abel Prize.
@LionJim our dyslexic daughter, no. 3, loves math and naturally hates reading. She plans to minor in Math for fun. :oops: Hence our interest in Stony Brook which is indeed serious when it comes to all things mathematics.
 
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