Big Ten titles are tough to win, especially with OSU's recent history.
But when was the last time PSU beat a good team? Memphis State in the 2019 Cotton Bowl?
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But when was the last time PSU beat a good team? Memphis State in the 2019 Cotton Bowl?
When I send my kid to school the goal is to try for an A grade which is very hard to achieve at his school but doable. I don’t tell my kid to aim to get a C grade which is much easier to achieve. Are you suggesting PSU should have aspirations to continue to be an average middle of the pack team?
Oh. no. Quite the opposite really. I think we are in agreement.
In the BIG an average team gets you 3rd or 4th place in the east division. In the BIG, if you are not in tier 1, your team is either in tier 2 (average) or a bottom dweller. PSU will finish no higher than 3rd place in the BIG east.
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Actually, over a 30 year period I believe PSU has won 3 BIG titles. Still a major underachievement for a program like PSU.
For me the NYD bowls have lost some of their shine... so many players opt out of them to not risk injury and prepare for the draft you rarely see full loaded teams anymore. ( I don't necessarily blame the players just the nature of the beast anymore)
One would have to define the "pack".
If you think PSU's peer group should include every FBS school, including the likes of the Sun Belt, MAC, and Mountain West conference teams, you are, of course, correct.
Heck, just make PSU's "pack" all schools playing college football - add in the Ivies, the Patriot League, and the rest of the FCS schools, and PSU is in the upper echelon.
Or, one might consider PSU's "pack" to be the dozen or so schools with $100 Million budgets - which is a very different "pack", yielding very different results.
Which "pack" do you think PSU is/should be in?
You raise interesting points. I don't have strong feelings either way, and have never been want to debate the topic. But a reasonable question might be "If many of the players - the folks with the most actually invested, especially the ones with other viable options (like getting ready for the NFL draft) - don't care, why should the fans?"
One might also reasonably ask this question "If, once they have other viable options (like sitting out for the NFL draft) the players don't care, did they EVER really care - aside from doing what had to be done to get them to that point where they have other viable options?"
Reasonable questions. Though I wouldn't attempt to proffer an answer.
FWIW: I think we are probably in agreement. Not that it matters much what a random yukmaluk thinks.
I don't disagree, but our bowl opponents lately have been 'meh' - Kentucky, Arkansas, Memphis, Washington - I loved the USC and Boston College match-ups (went to the Pinstripe Bowl and loved it) and even with players opting out the exposure is worth it (outside of the CFP it sorta doesn't matter anyway save for a good fan experience, recruiting exposure, and hopefully a fun game).
That was under a completely different culture and structure of college football. Hell, in 1982 we were a one loss national champion. That likely doesn’t happen today. There are only 9 teams who have made the college football playoff. That says a lot more about the system than it does Penn State.
I was providing an absurd example of cherry picking to offset your absurdity.
Man,not this silliness again. Let’s hope we can run the table and get back to psu greatness! I’ll leave it at that!!
The poster I was responding to said we were never at the level that Bama and O$U are now. So I wasn't asked to compare eras but rather whether or not we as a program ever played to the level that Bama and O$U are currently playing and based on that my answer stands. From 1979 to 1986 we played in 4 MNC games and won 2 of them. That accomplishment is superior to the accomplishments of the current O$U program.
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I can’t imagine only having a two game college football season. But many here see the season that way. All of those who only care about the tOSU and scUM games are the same ones who whine when players sit out of bowl games. Your thinking is starting to influence the players. If they saw this board, players like Porter Jr. and Brown would wonder why they should play another snap this year, since we are “0-2.” 10-2 for this team is a great year and many programs would die for a 10-2 season and NY6 game
Fox took our white out advantage with a noon KO against OSU, not like we had a say in the matter.
Michigan another noon KO , with an easy schedule prior to our game .
Schedules set up , starting on the road Big 10 openers for about a decade and a half.
Key players with MEDICAL issues that ended careers, players who sat out for the season are now NFL stars.
One of the biggest is the departure of an above average amount of coaches.
These sound like excuses , but they are facts. Look what USC did went from underachiever to possible playoff team. In the process they flipped Oklahoma the other way , took coaches, key players, took the best receiver in the nation from Pitt and went all in for recruiting a solid class.
Ohio St. did the same with Justin Fields , they were dead in the water without a QB. Michigan an all conference center to help their running game. It's isn't only the portal that helps it's the power portal player.
Michigan another noon KO , with an easy schedule prior to our game .
Schedules set up , starting on the road Big 10 openers for about a decade and a half.
Key players with MEDICAL issues that ended careers, players who sat out for the season are now NFL stars.
One of the biggest is the departure of an above average amount of coaches.
These sound like excuses , but they are facts. Look what USC did went from underachiever to possible playoff team. In the process they flipped Oklahoma the other way , took coaches, key players, took the best receiver in the nation from Pitt and went all in for recruiting a solid class.
Ohio St. did the same with Justin Fields , they were dead in the water without a QB. Michigan an all conference center to help their running game. It's isn't only the portal that helps it's the power portal player.
People complain when we under perform (the last two years) and if we go 10-2 this year which will be over performing (expectations were 7-9 wins) people will still complain.
This board is littered with delusional, irrational and downright insufferable “fans” who take no joy in watching CFB which is obvious by their posts here.
This board is littered with delusional, irrational and downright insufferable “fans” who take no joy in watching CFB which is obvious by their posts here.
Equally pathetic are those who take the reverse stance of complacency (~”we deserve worse” and like it).
Many come from fields were there is no longer accountability - like academia (same mentality that leads to plunging USA test scores, etc.).
Then they run around thinking they can tell other people what to think.
Come on man, Chaz Powers, think peer, be peer, think peer be peer.
I agree that 10-2 this year would be a great year, and if we won a NY6 bowl game a pretty decent overall year. we still need to win 3 more games and I expect all of them to offer resistance. One weakness we have had is the mobile QB getting yds they shouldn't = pretty much is what Md is, so that game will be tough. Rutgers will offer a lot of DEF resistance like they did v UMich. Actually, watch their game with UM - a lot of good fortune for UM led to the 2nd half points. Sparty games have been filled with flukes and oddities for years. There will be something that turns that into a contest even though it should be a beat down on Sparty.
if we played a high quality opponent with elite players (i.e. a Bama type), they will have a lot of opt out players like us. Sill could be a great look with Allar starting the game and all the future players in the game. I am assuming that Clifford would opt out for NFL prep like the others.
Memo to MacShit; Fanboy expectations have exactly 0 impact in regard to on the field results . But I'm impressed with your phony persona of superiority. Everyone wishes they could be in the elite fanboy club. Do you guys have a secret handshake?
I'll bet you were captain of your high school shadow boxing team.
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