Love to have Forrest now. I know he’s only a freshman. Kid will definitely beat Lilledahl in college especially if he stays in state with us. We got the Mason brothers so now we need Bo Bassett and Forrest.
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Non of them were elite. Suriano eventually but non of the others were top level.
Since Forrest is so much younger (FR vs JR), based on what others have said here I doubt he and Lilledahl will be wrestling in the same class in college.
Healthy Howard is at the very least pushing the podium at 125 the past two years. Idk if that meets your level of “elite” but that’s light years better than what we’ve had.
I think you need to take another look at Suriano’s season with Penn State. Before he broke his ankle, he was 16-1, losing to Gilman 3-2 @ Carver. I believe Gilman was undefeated and ranked #1 at the time and ended up third. Nick also had several wins over highly ranked guys like Lizak who finished 2nd and a 6-0 win over Cruz who was ranked in the top five at the time and ended up at the top of the podium. Suriano was also seeded in the top five for NCAA despite defaulting out of the B1G tournament.
If that’s not elite as a true Frosh, does it at least meet your definition as above average?
Howard will definitely be an AA next season if healthy. Hearing he’s way ahead of his rehab.
He won't beat Lilledahl on college because there's virtually no chance they'll be at the same or even adjacent weights.
This ^^ is all correct.
Good possibility Suriano would've been the national champ if he hadn't broken his ankle vs OKST. That was the year Gilman forgot to attack against Cruz and lost in the semis. Suriano was the 3 seed, would've faced 6 seed Lizak in the quarters and 10 seed Mueller in the semis.
Right. Lets see how Robbie's shoulder heals. I have no stats but it seems like shoulder injuries can be especially nasty.
According to the UWW site, Lilledahl is 18. On the Intermat HS Wrestling forum, it was reported Forrest is nearly 16...so more than 2 years difference in real age. If you're still age-skeptical I'd recommend hiring a PI. My research is done.
Forrest will grow, Lilledahl, not so much. They'll be in different weight classes in college. My guess is the only way they're wrestling is if they're on the same college team (hopefully PSU) and drilling together in practice.
Be a smart move by both. Iron sharpens Iron with the best program in the World bar none.According to the UWW site, Lilledahl is 18. On the Intermat HS Wrestling forum, it was reported Forrest is nearly 16...so more than 2 years difference in real age. If you're still age-skeptical I'd recommend hiring a PI. My research is done.
Forrest will grow, Lilledahl, not so much. They'll be in different weight classes in college. My guess is the only way they're wrestling is if they're on the same college team (hopefully PSU) and drilling together in practice.
You never know. Some people still grow after HS. It would be beneficial for Penn St if Lilledahl stays light, if he comes to PSU, but who knows. We’ve seen guys just a few weight classes in college. Forrest most likely will grow, as you said, since he is 16. Regardless, there’s a long way to go with both until they enroll somewhere.According to the UWW site, Lilledahl is 18. On the Intermat HS Wrestling forum, it was reported Forrest is nearly 16...so more than 2 years difference in real age. If you're still age-skeptical I'd recommend hiring a PI. My research is done.
Forrest will grow, Lilledahl, not so much. They'll be in different weight classes in college. My guess is the only way they're wrestling is if they're on the same college team (hopefully PSU) and drilling together in practice.
That's true...one never does know...and anything certainly is possible. I just think its unlikely for Forrest to end up at 125.
This is just incorrect.
Suriano was rated #1 in his high school weight class (126 lb) and was in the top 5 PFP (or higher, depending on the rating service) of the entire national class. Howard was also #1 in his weight class and was also a top PFP guy (perhaps as high as #3 when he committed).
Both Suiano and Howard were pursued by most of the big-time college programs and could have gone most anywhere they wanted. Both were definitely considered elite recruits.
If Howard can stay injury free he could be really good at 125 or 133. But he's had not one, but two pretty serious shoulder injuries, which are really bad news for a wrestler. So at the moment it's unclear if he'll be able to fully recover.
I agree. The tough thing is to find is someone who can man 125 for multiple years. The Nico’s and Spencer Lee’s that hold 125 for their whole career are nearly impossible to find.
since there has been a lot of discussion about Bo Bassett and about Jax Forrest in this thread, I'm posting this here:
Wouldn't go as far as impossible. Looking at this year's likely national qualifiers, nearly all are or will be career 125s (possibly with a few regular season 133 matches). Plus many of the future starters like Figueroa, Ayala, etc.
The bigger issue is that very few of the 125s fit our profile of being 3x AAs and annual title contenders. So much inconsistency at that weight.
Lehigh for example has had no trouble finding career 125s. Several of them would've started for us. And since 2010, only Cruz made the podium.
That’s why I used Nico and Spencer as the example. They are high end career 125s. That’s “nearly” impossible to find.
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