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Crazy take: we are seeing the death throes of white supremacy (hopefully) with a bunch of white men fighting the transition to sharing of power. You can simply look at the "Make America Great Again" crowd for the lack of cognitive thought. Great for everybody, or just the same as you remember? When exactly was it "great"? Was it great for everyone then, or just your demographic? I bet your "great" was somebody else's tragic. Should that matter?
I think most of the MAGA crowd is concerned that it's a zero-sum game. Basically, that it's their turn for the "tragic". At least that's what the woke crowd keeps telling them. Especially ironic since the modern day woke crowd never experienced any "tragic" themselves.
 
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I think most of the MAGA crowd is concerned that it's a zero-sum game. Basically, that it's their turn for the "tragic". At least that's what the woke crowd keeps telling them. Especially ironic since the modern day woke crowd never experienced any "tragic" themselves.
Zero sum thinking is certainly a big, big problem with many aspects of life. If you think about the psychology of change, if I eat no vegetables today and you tell me that I have to start eating two servings a day, I might decide at some point that you are pushing me to vegan. I see two clear things. Post Civil War, we did 11 years of Reconstruction that resulted in blacks getting elected locally and nationally and just taking "too much" power, so we ushered in the Jim Crow era saw the rise of the KKK and all the race issues that persisted, to some extent, to this day. We did pass the voting rights act in 1965 and now, in the 2010's white america sees it's majority shrinking, and it's power along with it. Turns out that "those people", who now have some ability to shape policy, don't think the same as "we" do, so we end up with violent conflict (e.g. 1/6) that really boils down to the world is changing in a way that I don't like.
 

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Seems legit. I mean to think that the effects of 100s of years of oppression can't be corrected in 50 brief years of being able to vote as huge minority is just silly. Just because America didn't' even begin to try to live up to the marketing hype until 1965 is no reason to believe that we haven't already overcome all the ripple effects. I mean we started letting blacks play for UT's women's basketball team in 1977 so they could be on a national caliber team. What more do "they" want?***

Crazy take: we are seeing the death throes of white supremacy (hopefully) with a bunch of white men fighting the transition to sharing of power. You can simply look at the "Make America Great Again" crowd for the lack of cognitive thought. Great for everybody, or just the same as you remember? When exactly was it "great"? Was it great for everyone then, or just your demographic? I bet your "great" was somebody else's tragic. Should that matter?

Remember, nobody can force you to be woke. Nobody can force you to be more aware, more open-minded, more tolerant, or more empathetic. So why are you so afraid of woke?
Not a crazy take. A stupid one. Nobody is worried about being forced to be open-minded or tolerant or empathetic. Wokeness is usually an excuse to be the opposite of those things. It's an excuse to engage in activities that are considered to be moral wrongs under classical liberal values, such as punishment based on "collective guilt", racial discrimination, sex based discrimination, elimination of single sex bathrooms and other spaces, and hell, even property damage.
 

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Seems legit. I mean to think that the effects of 100s of years of oppression can't be corrected in 50 brief years of being able to vote as huge minority is just silly. Just because America didn't' even begin to try to live up to the marketing hype until 1965 is no reason to believe that we haven't already overcome all the ripple effects. I mean we started letting blacks play for UT's women's basketball team in 1977 so they could be on a national caliber team. What more do "they" want?***

Crazy take: we are seeing the death throes of white supremacy (hopefully) with a bunch of white men fighting the transition to sharing of power. You can simply look at the "Make America Great Again" crowd for the lack of cognitive thought. Great for everybody, or just the same as you remember? When exactly was it "great"? Was it great for everyone then, or just your demographic? I bet your "great" was somebody else's tragic. Should that matter?

Remember, nobody can force you to be woke. Nobody can force you to be more aware, more open-minded, more tolerant, or more empathetic. So why are you so afraid of woke?
Racial equality is one thing. The whole movement to elevate gender and sexual identity above any and all things? Pumping minors full of hormone replacement therapy? Allowing biological males to compete in women's sports and destroy the female competition, winning championships? Using tax dollars and applauding the death of unborn children? Encouraging and incentivizing victim mentality? Advocating communism? Defunding police like we're seeing in Portland? Silencing conservative thought like we saw on Twitter? That's the woke idiots that have their crazy ideals amplified on social media.

All ideas and new ideology, are in fact, not equal.
 

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Woke is the new "that's racist!". A fine accusation to use in narrow circumstance but has morphed into it being used vaguely as an insult to people who think differently without having to really explain why.

Don't like what the other person just said or did? "That's woke/racist!" When pressed what they think racist or woke actually means or how whom your are criticizing qualifies as that, you get a bunch of bumbling inconsistent nonsense.

It's just a shiny word the obtuse like to use bc politicians realized their voters react positively to it and feature it in their campaigns.
 
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Not a crazy take. A stupid one. Nobody is worried about being forced to be open-minded or tolerant or empathetic. Wokeness is usually an excuse to be the opposite of those things. It's an excuse to engage in activities that are considered to be moral wrongs under classical liberal values, such as punishment based on "collective guilt", racial discrimination, sex based discrimination, elimination of single sex bathrooms and other spaces, and hell, even property damage.
I understand that perspective and certainly see some of that among the far Left. It's the difference in recognizing that systemic injustice is still having ripple effect but not falling into systemic injustice is the cause of ALL ills.

I believe more today than ever in the horseshoe effect. At some point far Left and far Right are almost touching each other and share a lot of common, not appealing to me, traits.
 
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Woke is the new "that's racist!". A fine accusation to use in narrow circumstance but has morphed into it being used vaguely as an insult to people who think differently without having to really explain why.

Don't like what the other person just said or did? "That's woke/racist!" When pressed what they think racist or woke actually means or how whom your are criticizing qualifies as that, you get a bunch of bumbling inconsistent nonsense.

It's just a shiny word the obtuse like to use bc politicians realized their voters react positively to it and feature it in their campaigns.
I would argue it's the new "feminism/feminist". Take a pretty bland idea that most everybody agrees with, and then use sort of a motte and bailey technique until it's more or less roughly half the population thinks of it in the terms of the bland, non-controversial ides and half the population associates it with controversial if not stupid ideas.
 

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Zero sum thinking is certainly a big, big problem with many aspects of life. If you think about the psychology of change, if I eat no vegetables today and you tell me that I have to start eating two servings a day, I might decide at some point that you are pushing me to vegan. I see two clear things. Post Civil War, we did 11 years of Reconstruction that resulted in blacks getting elected locally and nationally and just taking "too much" power, so we ushered in the Jim Crow era saw the rise of the KKK and all the race issues that persisted, to some extent, to this day. We did pass the voting rights act in 1965 and now, in the 2010's white america sees it's majority shrinking, and it's power along with it. Turns out that "those people", who now have some ability to shape policy, don't think the same as "we" do, so we end up with violent conflict (e.g. 1/6) that really boils down to the world is changing in a way that I don't like.
No doubt. And the funny thing is that the world has been headed that way since the World Wars. I mean, the MAGA crowd's ancestors fought a war (or at least half of it) against the father of white supremacy. It's like that gets forgotten.

The problem for me is, I see the woke crowds as bad people as well. I don't trust what they would do with their policies in place. We all want fairness and equality, and I don't think the woke bunch will give us that. They'll have a very clear axe to grind against white people, especially white men, of which I am. So I have a problem with that and will never support a woke policy.

ETA: And this is proven, from the riots all throughout 2020. You mentioned 1/6, so I wanted to go ahead and put a plug in for the OG rioters (the woke crowd).

But honestly, I could care less about "equality" written on Iowa's uniform. Especially since it's meant to be way to reach out and sell more merchandise and get more TV ratings to/with people who do care about the word.

I still cannot fathom how our youngest generation literally fought a war in the streets over this crap.
 
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Racial equality is one thing. The whole movement to elevate gender and sexual identity above any and all things? Pumping minors full of hormone replacement therapy? Allowing biological males to compete in women's sports and destroy the female competition, winning championships? Using tax dollars and applauding the death of unborn children? Encouraging and incentivizing victim mentality? Advocating communism? Defunding police like we're seeing in Portland? Silencing conservative thought like we saw on Twitter? That's the woke idiots that have their crazy ideals amplified on social media.

All ideas and new ideology, are in fact, not equal.
You derived a lot more from the word "Equality" than I did. Make of it what you will.
 
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Horseback you are so right to understand oppression and how it has trigged fatherless households where kids kill kids and rob without penalty..cash bail is oppressive I mean if you steal a car why should you spend the night in jail? Jail time is just racist. Fatherhood is racist I’m woke to this oppressive society I can see that this is the fault of society…we need to spend more money on education because if we do kids will come learn they will be respectful and try. Hopefully on blended knee we can show others it’someone’s else’s fault when people fail. I’m mean 60 years is a short time for oppression to go away.
 
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Horseback you are so right to understand oppression and how it has trigged fatherless households where kids kill kids and rob without penalty..cash bail is oppressive I mean if you steal a car why should you spend the night in jail? Jail time is just racist. Fatherhood is racist I’m woke to this oppressive society I can see that this is the fault of society…we need to spend more money on education because if we do kids will come learn they will be respectful and try. Hopefully on blended knee we can show others it’someone’s else’s fault when people fail. I’m mean 60 years is a short time for oppression to go away.
You aren't aware that for more time in this country than not, we were splitting up and selling families? I'm sure you have the character qualities that would allow you to move through life as an island, but for most of the world their trajectory is formed by their past, familial support and history, etc.

Are you also not aware that the #1 way that generational wealth is passed down is through home ownership and that we are less than a generation away from black being denied the same home ownership rights as whites?

I'm sure you've heard of how great the GI Bill was in helping America post-war no? It wasn't great for blacks. https://www.history.com/news/gi-bill-black-wwii-veterans-benefits

I mean you can feel how you feel, but reality is that history doesn't turn on a dime, and certainly very few people completely change their "class" in one generation. Where are you compared to your parents? Grandparents? Great-grandparents?

Have you ever lived in a town where there was a rich family who made their money through some industry and they just always had money? Imagine if that were a whole race.
 
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I think most of the MAGA crowd is concerned that it's a zero-sum game. Basically, that it's their turn for the "tragic". At least that's what the woke crowd keeps telling them. Especially ironic since the modern day woke crowd never experienced any "tragic" themselves.
Maybe it is. Someone once said "what you measure out, will be measured back to you." So, maybe it's simply a spiritual law of cause and effect that just happens - it's "built in" so to speak. If so, they might be right. If not, the guy who said "what you give out will be given back to you" was wrong. c'est la vie.
 

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I would argue it's the new "feminism/feminist". Take a pretty bland idea that most everybody agrees with, and then use sort of a motte and bailey technique until it's more or less roughly half the population thinks of it in the terms of the bland, non-controversial ides and half the population associates it with controversial if not stupid ideas.

Fair. In this case, I think the bland half/idea of it would be something along the lines of "systematic discrimination exists, and should be addressed". Pretty unobtrusive. Most people agree with that - and surely most left minded people. But if you want to separate yourself from the folks on woke train (whatever that means), you start adding qualifiers to give it a stupid or evil spin like "the belief that all and only white people are responsible for discrimination and discrimination is the source of all ills that impact minorities" or some other nonsense. Then you can get fired up to hate on the wokes when most of them would disagree with that alternate definition.

Humans just like to find reasons to ***** and argue i suppose so we will move the line in the sand to give us a motive for it.
 

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Great questions, and if that is unknown, it certainly shouldn't upset anyone in any way. But they are know to be socialist leaning, out there using their own crop land to produce food for people all over the world. Bunch of woke idiots.***
Last I checked, they don't give their crops away for free.
Great questions, and if that is unknown, it certainly shouldn't upset anyone in any way. But they are know to be socialist leaning, out there using their own crop land to produce food for people all over the world. Bunch of woke idiots.***


It's probably more likely they wanted equality for the women and were hoping to face the barner's women basketball team.
 
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Maybe it is. Someone once said "what you measure out, will be measured back to you." So, maybe it's simply a spiritual law of cause and effect that just happens - it's "built in" so to speak. If so, they might be right. If not, the guy who said "what you give out will be given back to you" was wrong. c'est la vie.
Fair enough, but I'm not going to sit here and be a useful idiot for my own demise.
 
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If these people were honestly trying to make a change, I might agree with them, but 70% of them (maybe even better than 70%) are yelling this at the top of their lungs just to be a part of the fashion show. I've seen so many fads since I was a child, this is just another one that eventually runs out of steam, and the people who need help will go back to still needing help when it's done. I wonder what the next fashion show will be?
 
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Seems legit. I mean to think that the effects of 100s of years of oppression can't be corrected in 50 brief years of being able to vote as huge minority is just silly. Just because America didn't' even begin to try to live up to the marketing hype until 1965 is no reason to believe that we haven't already overcome all the ripple effects. I mean we started letting blacks play for UT's women's basketball team in 1977 so they could be on a national caliber team. What more do "they" want?***

Crazy take: we are seeing the death throes of white supremacy (hopefully) with a bunch of white men fighting the transition to sharing of power. You can simply look at the "Make America Great Again" crowd for the lack of cognitive thought. Great for everybody, or just the same as you remember? When exactly was it "great"? Was it great for everyone then, or just your demographic? I bet your "great" was somebody else's tragic. Should that matter?

Remember, nobody can force you to be woke. Nobody can force you to be more aware, more open-minded, more tolerant, or more empathetic. So why are you so afraid of woke?
This is an example of what Rush Limbaugh described as "Symbolism over Substance".
 

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This is an example of what Rush Limbaugh described as "Symbolism over Substance".
I don't know that I'd look to a guy who broadcasted “Barack, the Magic Negro” on his radio show for any advice, but I did notice that you refrain from answering one single question that I posed with a salient, thoughtful answer. They are all legitimate questions...
 

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I don't know that I'd look to a guy who broadcasted “Barack, the Magic Negro” on his radio show for any advice, but I did notice that you refrain from answering one single question that I posed with a salient, thoughtful answer. They are all legitimate questions...
Nobody should discount or ignore the horrors black people went thru in The U.S. The point I'm making is that our past history is today symbolic based on equal opportunity that exists in the present which is actual substance. The SJW Crowd is barking up a tree that has a fake possum up in it.
 

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HOW 17ING DARE THEY?!?
I’m shaking with rage.
How Dare You Greta GIF
 

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Speaking of d/e/i, a couple of years ago my former employer jumped on the d/e/i bandwagon as so many did. As part of that initiative they made all of the management teams from every division go through training. One of those training sessions was sitting thru a speaking engagement with the VP, d/e/i for a team in the NBA. Upon conclusion the speaker gave us his email address if we had questions. A co-worker of mine wrote him asking what the NBA was doing to attract a more diverse representation of players and citing MLB's efforts to attract more inner city youth to the game. Answer, "crickets". He wrote back a second time and again received no response. Studies are now showing that d/e/i initiatives are doing more harm than good.
 
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Nobody should discount or ignore the horrors black people went thru in The U.S. The point I'm making is that our past history is today symbolic based on equal opportunity that exists in the present which is actual substance. The SJW Crowd is barking up a tree that has a fake possum up in it.
But conservatives have always said that "now" things are fine as a means to perpetuate inequality, and here you are discounting and ignoring that. Remember "separate but equal"? Well the cons were saying it's equal so what's the problem, right? If you think equal opportunity exists today then you are doing the exact same thing they did back then and are no better than they were. Hell, your side won't even let them be taught that history that you say no one should discount or ignore.
 
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