1st Wyatt article on BDJ.com - good writeup, iffy title

maroonmania

Active member
Feb 23, 2008
10,900
482
83
a different type of offensive philosophy after ours has worked so well for the past 4 years. That would just be crazy talk.
 

DerHntr

Well-known member
Sep 18, 2007
15,274
1,270
113
it has gotten to the point where he has now been openly ridiculed and he appears to be hanging on just to prove everyone wrong. well GD'it he needs to start proving us wrong in '08.
 

Coach34

New member
Jul 20, 2012
20,283
1
0
TR said on here we are opening up the offense cause he watched the Liberty Bowl
 

patdog

Well-known member
May 28, 2007
50,007
14,757
113
Coach34 said:
TR said on here we are opening up the offense cause he watched the Liberty Bowl

You mean the game where we scored 10 points on a defense that was giving up 27 per game against a CUSA schedule and hadn't held anybody under 17 all year? By all means, let's open things up like we did in that game. </p>
 

Shmuley

Well-known member
Mar 6, 2008
22,676
6,524
113
The man put up 8 and won the damn bowl game. We're in on some damn strong prospects, especially on the O side. You've got to back off and let it play out for now. Not trying to tell you what to post or not post, just suggesting that continuously calling out other posters to take a shot at Croom is weak.

As for the substance of your comment, I don't take Croom's statement to mean that there won't be improvement in offense, just that you won't mistake his offense for Missouri's or Texas Tech's. Broaden your horizons, man. Let's give him room to improve.
 

Coach34

New member
Jul 20, 2012
20,283
1
0
TR has said on here repeatedly that he knows for sure we are going to open it up alot more cause Crooms showed it in the LB.

Crooms is too hardheaded and stubborn to change. Anybody willing to bet me our offense is still ranked 100 or worse next year?
 

Coach34

New member
Jul 20, 2012
20,283
1
0
is that a cross between Cowbell9 and KB21?

And for the record Cowbell and I are square (except when he lost the basketball bet when I predicted we would start the SEC season 1-8 a couple of years ago, but I let him out of it).

Put up or shut up?
 

thunderclap

New member
Feb 25, 2008
3,089
0
0
I've honestly run out of the energy to berate the stubbornness/idiocy/simplicity/whatever of our offensive philosophy. So I encourage others to join me in accepting that we are going to again suck on offense and it is again going to be largely due to schemes/playcalling/predictability/whatever. And I've also accepted it will probably cost us 2-3 games in the W-L column.
 

Optimus Prime 4

New member
May 1, 2006
8,560
0
0
what, aren't there 117 teams? I think even if it sucks again, it will break 100 this year. The odds are it can't be that low again.
 

Faustdog

Well-known member
Jun 4, 2007
3,471
967
113
Shmuley said:
The man put up 8 and won the damn bowl game. We're in on some damn strong prospects, especially on the O side. You've got to back off and let it play out for now.

Not good enough Shmuley. It's not good enough that Croom pulled us out of the gigantic canyon of a hole that we were in. Our wins don't look pretty enough.
</p>
 

RobertF50

New member
Apr 27, 2008
276
0
0
It is coming. We will have better players from here on than what Coach Croom walked into. I believe him when he says we have been limited on talent to be able to open the play book more. The QBs we've signed look much better than starting a season with what we've had to the last few years. We have proven running backs and offensive linemen coming back. I think and hope 2008 we'll be much better on offense, and I love the way we're starting to knock folks around. I love smash mouth football and scoring. Maybe from here on we'll get both. W.Carrol may have a break out year. I'm optimistic. Go Dawgs !
 

hatfieldms

Well-known member
Feb 20, 2008
8,332
1,593
113
Coach34 said:
TR has said on here repeatedly that he knows for sure we are going to open it up alot more cause Crooms showed it in the LB.

Crooms is too hardheaded and stubborn to change. Anybody willing to bet me our offense is still ranked 100 or worse next year?

I'll take that bet.
</p>
 

TR.sixpack

New member
Feb 14, 2008
3,268
0
0
I stand by that until proven otherwise. I specifically said we will never be confused with WVU scheme-wise, but would incorporate more spread-option plays. I even mentioned LSU and Flynn as a model we should use.

I can only assume Croom has either changed his mind about wanting to incorporate the option (ala Auburn '07 with Kodi Burns) or is referring to a pass-oriented Texas Tech-type offense when he mentions a finesse spread scheme.

The result may very well be the same this fall, but I don't think it will be from a lack of at least <span style="font-style: italic;">trying</span> different schemes.
 

statedogg

New member
Aug 30, 2006
83
0
0
FlabLoser said:
*If you wanna see "one of those spread-out, finesse" offenses, then "by a ticket to watch someone else play"</p>

BCS game tickets are tough to get.</p>
 

Stormrider81

New member
May 1, 2006
2,083
0
0
Peaches would still find something to complain about.

There isn't anybody in the entire fanbase that is pleased with our offensive production thus far in the Croom era. If they say they are they are a) lying or b) an idiot. However, the man won 8 friggin games. Back off constantly bashing him for now. He did what most of us on the board who are honest about our predictions never thought he would be able to do - win 8 games, including a bowl game, and with what should be considered the hardest schedule he has faced here. I've backed off. Do I still think changes should be made with respect to the offense? Absolutely. I think McCorvey should be long gone, and I think Croom is being too stubborn and loyal on that point. However, I'm not going to sit on here and constantly look for things to hammer Croom about. The man won a bowl game, I'm going to give him time to show if he can build on that or not. I want Croom to be successful, even though I was a hard critic of his before the 2007 season.
 

patdog

Well-known member
May 28, 2007
50,007
14,757
113
Stormrider81 said:
However, the man won 8 friggin games. Back off constantly bashing him for now.

This sounds just like the "Polk took us to the CWS last year. Back off constantly bashing him for now," that I was reading from most posters on here 3 months ago when I said that last year was a fluke and we'd better get ready for a mediocre season (but I had no idea it would be as bad as it was). </p>I'm afraid that our 8-5 season last year was a bit of a fluke. I don't see us winning more than 6 games this fall (and that's with a senior lineup and a favorable schedule). I hope I'm wrong and we win more.
 

Stormrider81

New member
May 1, 2006
2,083
0
0
Polk retired and our new AD is not going to hire his hand picked, unqualified successor. We're likely going to hire a very good coach who will get us back to where we should be, which is not missing the SECT 3 of 5 years.

If Croom fails to win 6 games this year, he is likely gone after 2009. He's going to have a tough time winning next year, so he better win this year. Having losing seasons in 5 of his first 6 seasons will result in his termination. I'm not worried about it at all. Either he gets it done or he doesn't. Whichever result prevails, at least we don't have Larry Templeton overseeing it all.</p>
 

shaschboy

New member
Sep 19, 2007
568
0
0
I was with someone in the know with the university on Monday and spent a good deal of time talking with them about our upcoming team. He informed me that Croom hates the Spring game and would prefer not to play. He also said that Croom deliberately kept it vanilla for what they plan on unfolding during the regular season, i.e. Bear introducing the wishbone. Croom is a bear protegee' and if you want to know his coaching style, go back and look at the Alabama teams of the early 70's. No offense, plenty of defense. That's it. I spoke to a lot of Bama fans and they said it would drive them crazy. Winning a game by 3 to 10 points was the standard, unless it MSU. Keep it simple to avoid miscues and let the other team mess up.

This person also said that Tyson Lee could be a "big" surprise. Kid is tough as nails and has more guts that anyone on the team. Also said our current signees for 09 are good. 2 guys are under the radar from "small" schools and they hope they will stay that way and not get discovered..

My prediction, and for those of you who don't know me, I called the Auburn game last year. I predict that we will try to play our first 2 games with showing as little as possible. Expect the Auburn game to be a totally different look. Also, Auburn has Southern Miss the week prior so expect the eagles to play hard, which will play into our hands. Do I predict a win? I will hold that prediction until week of. We will, however, have a good football team.
 

DowntownDawg

New member
May 28, 2007
3,494
0
0
....is that something to be depressed about? Granted, it's not the top of the division, but going to a bowl game 2 years in a row would be a pretty nice accomplishment and would keep the momentum going.

If you are going to "worry" about winning "only" 6 games, you need to get your standards checked. We'd all like to do better, but that's a bowl game, which basically, for MSU, means it's a successful season.
 

patdog

Well-known member
May 28, 2007
50,007
14,757
113
We were 9 and freaking 21! MSU baseball hasn't been last in the SEC in over 30 years, maybe a lot longer than 30 years. It can't get much worse. As critical as I've been of Polk, I'd a hell of a lot rather he took us to a super regional this year and not retired.

As for Croom being fired after 2009 if he doesn't win, my fear is that he will go 6-6 this season (with our schedule I don't think he'll have a losing record) and then something like 4-8 in 2009. I doubt we'd fire the man after just 1 losing season, so it would probably be 2010 before he was really under serious pressure to win or keep his job.
 

patdog

Well-known member
May 28, 2007
50,007
14,757
113
yes 6-6 is a bad year. Remember, it's really the equivalent of 5-6 back before the 12th game and the rule allowing us to schedule a I-AA team every year. Rocky Felker got fired after back to back 5-6 seasons.

Edited to add: I'm all for realistic expectations. Anybody expecting us to consistantly to to New Year's Day bowls is crazy. But to expect better than a 5-6 Div. I-A record from a 5th year coach and a senior dominated lineup isn't being at all unrealistic. Only a Templeton wouldn't expect more than that.
 

DowntownDawg

New member
May 28, 2007
3,494
0
0
....after some success. 6 wins and a bowl is 6 wins and a bowl. That's all there is to it. It's as if you don't understand that football, baseball, and basketball all have different standards of success. Where we are right now in football is that we need to become a consistently bowl eligible team before we can take the next step. 6 wins gets us there. It's not all I want forever, but two consecutive bowl games would help us gain some traction. We are already recruiting better, and are in on more top notch prospects than we have been in a long time.
 

patdog

Well-known member
May 28, 2007
50,007
14,757
113
As I pointed out, Rocky got fired after back to back seasons like the one you describe. This is Croom's 5th year, and I realize what a mess he inherited, but if he can't do better than 5-6 vs. I-A teams this fall, he sure as hell isn't going to do it the next fall when he loses more than half of his starters.</p>
 

DowntownDawg

New member
May 28, 2007
3,494
0
0
...6-6 and a bowl game for MSU football is not good enough. Good luck with that. If there's a more frustrating place to be, I'd like to see it.
 

Stormrider81

New member
May 1, 2006
2,083
0
0
The offseason is too predictable to start looking ahead a year. Right now all I'm concerned about is 2008 and Croom building on his bowl success by having another bowl season. After that I'll worry about where the chips fall.</p>
 

patdog

Well-known member
May 28, 2007
50,007
14,757
113
where we just hope against all hope that we can somehow scrape together 5 I-A wins and a I-AA win so we can all celebrate the glory and splendor of the Papa Johns Bowl at beautiful Legion Field. Damn! What good times!
 

statedogg

New member
Aug 30, 2006
83
0
0
[b said:
shaschboy[/b]]
He informed me that Croom hates the Spring game and would prefer not to play.
Croom is such a maverick

He also said that Croom deliberately kept it vanilla for what they plan on unfolding during the regular season, i.e. Bear introducing the wishbone.
To even slightly suggest that Croom has a master plan to introduce some innovative new philosophy to the football world after 5 years not cracking the top 100 in offense is beyond asinine.
This person also said that Tyson Lee could be a "big" surprise. Kid is tough as nails and has more guts that anyone on the team.
If only he has half the guts of Mike Hening.

Also said our current signees for 09 are good. 2 guys are under the radar from "small" schools and they hope they will stay that way and not get discovered..
I'm so glad our guys can find these diamonds in the rough. Let's never mention them by name. I hear Urban and Les read these boards looking for hidden prospects.

My prediction, and for those of you who don't know me, I called the Auburn game last year.
Oh....I should have read your entire post before I started replying....I feel like such an *** now.

I predict that we will try to play our first 2 games with showing as little as possible.
Truly, Nostradamus like!

Expect the Auburn game to be a totally different look.
OK

Also, Auburn has Southern Miss the week prior so expect the eagles to play hard, which will play into our hands
I know! OMG! Auburn should fire their AD. He must have went to the LT school of scheduling.

Do I predict a win? I will hold that prediction until week of. We will, however, have a good football team.
Please, can we at least have a first half score?

</p>
 

DowntownDawg

New member
May 28, 2007
3,494
0
0
football program. When you do that, you are able to recruit better players. When you get better players, you win more ballgames. Sitting around and griping about which bowl you are in at this point in Mississippi State football history is pointless and stupid. We are trying to build from the ground up, and we took a huge step forward last year. We need to have another good year, which in my opinion, is at a minimum winning 6 games and playing in a bowl game.

In other words, you can wish MSU should be in the Sugar Bowl in one hand and **** in the other and see which one gets filled first. You don't go from where we were to a division championship in a matter of a year. You have to be consistent first. If we win 6 again this year, we're hopefully getting some consistency.
 

statedogg

New member
Aug 30, 2006
83
0
0
6-6 with this team and this schedule is a regression from last year. Maybe last year was an aberration, but everybody was happy cashing those pay raise checks. Now its time to produce.
 

patdog

Well-known member
May 28, 2007
50,007
14,757
113
You're seriously suggesting that fewer wins this fall even though we return pretty much everybody from last year and have a more favorable schedule would be a sign of consistancy? I have to disagree with you on that. When you return most of your players, have a more favorable schedule, and win fewer games, that's not the kind of consistency I want. I realize Croom inherited a complete cluster-<17>. But after 5 years, it's time to quit making excuses for that and hold him accountable to a standard of averaging 7-8 wins per year, which is very realistic for MSU with a 12-game schedule that can include a I-AA game. He achieved that goal last year, which was great. Now, it's time for him to start doing it every year. And 6 wins with a senior dominated team and an easy schedule just won't cut it.
 

DowntownDawg

New member
May 28, 2007
3,494
0
0
tell his high school coaching stories.

Seriously, what's the point? Say we go 6-6, are you going to get mad and whine and complain and call for Croom's head? I guess that's your prerogative. The other 98% of MSU fans will feel at least decent about the program, especially if we improve on the offensive side of the ball. It makes you out of touch with reality.
 
Get unlimited access today.

Pick the right plan for you.

Already a member? Login