From the 2016 football coaching candidates that SC was considering, did Ray Tanner get the hire right? I personally believe Shawn Elliot should’ve gotten it at the time though
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He hired Will Muschamp. Hell no he didnt get it right.
Elliott is a good coach. But you weren’t going to have many fans happy about hiring a guy that lost to The Citadel, whether that loss was all on him or not. I think not hiring Elliott was the right call…but we definitely didn’t hire the right guy.
In the end, Beamer is our guy now, and we’d all be happier to try and dismiss that era of football from our minds other than being thankful for the players that chose to play at SC.
The coaches we were considering couldn’t win at Texas, VT, or Nebraska. Lol I think Will have a better record than all of them
Coach Beamer is our guy and it will take time for the fans around here to warmup to Coach Beamer... We still have fans here who doubt Coach Beamer is the right man and that is sad state of our fan base around here because he hired good friends on the staff...
Got news to these so called fans, Coaches around the country hire their friends on the staff to help them get a leg up while building a program whereas they wouldn't get a chance elsewhere...
I like Shawn and would have hired him over Muschamp.
But I also assumed Ray knew something everyone else didn't.
I really wanted Herman after what he did a UH, UTex exposed something that may have been replayed here if we'd have hired TH.
Will couldn’t win at Florida. I get your point, but we all knew Muschamp was a bad hire. The difference being we knew he had already been a failure. The other guys we still didn’t know. The Muschamp Era was a disaster. Not sure how anyone could think we got that hire right.
At the same time…nobody has won in Texas recently. It appears there may be some underlying issues to overcome.I like Shawn and would have hired him over Muschamp.
But I also assumed Ray knew something everyone else didn't.
I really wanted Herman after what he did a UH, UTex exposed something that may have been replayed here if we'd have hired TH.
In retrospect I would have hired Elliott over Muschamp. At the time everyone believed the story being peddled that CWM had learned his lesson at Florida and was a different man/coach.
and that appeared to be the case in his first 2 seasons here. Defenses never lived up to expectations and he has never been able to get the OC hire right, going back to his days at Florida.
Another main target just won a national title. So there's that.
Yep. Kirby was the #1 guy after Herman pulled out. His wife even said they were taking the job when UGA and Richt parted ways. Not sure Kirby could’ve done the same thing here as he did at UGA, but we definitely would’ve been a better program than under Muschamp.
I remember posts rubbing it in about people "still doubting" Muschamp after two years too.
So his wife is lying? She said they were.
"We were really close to taking [the] South Carolina [offer] at the time,” Mary Beth Smart said during an appearance on 960 The Ref. “The AD [Ray Tanner] and one of the athletic administration guys were in the kitchen meeting with us that morning Coach [Mark] Richt was fired. It was leading down that road. The way the timing fell for him was really special."
Obviously, once UGA got in the picture he wasn’t. But make no mistake, UGA got into the picture because their long term plan was about to get hired by us.
Yeah, I remember most doubted. But everyone was hopeful. Big difference. In the end, many were proven right with the Muschamp skepticism. I was skeptical…but hoped that “theory” was right.
He was ecstatic they fired Richt. I still say he knew and used us. It worked. I don’t think he’s any better than chump he just gets better players at UGA. He won, congrats, I hate Georgia.
Again he played us. He had already talked to some UGA boosters.
Texas problems were and are waaaay bigger than Herman. I still think the guy can coachI like Shawn and would have hired him over Muschamp.
But I also assumed Ray knew something everyone else didn't.
I really wanted Herman after what he did a UH, UTex exposed something that may have been replayed here if we'd have hired TH.
So he would’ve stayed for one year and made 0 difference??
Since Richard Bell worked out so well. I only regret we didn't follow HIM up with Larry New.
The situation could have been even worse. Suppose he agreed to accept the position and it get blasted all over the national news and then he renig and take the UGA job as soon as it came open. He was going to UGA no matter what. That is where he wanted to go all along. UGA has one of the best recruiting landscapes in the entire country. They can compete for National titles with just home grown talent if they want to.
Not saying that. Just replying to someone saying that he wasn’t coming here. Still, 1 year of Smart (no guarantee he would’ve left) and then going through the process again would’ve been better than Muschamp. The other route might have been bad too. But we know how the Muschamp era went. How and why would anyone defend it? Beats me…
How much worse would it have been. We probably would’ve just hired Muschamp. Nobody wouldve blamed Kirby for going to UGA, his Alma mater, before he coached a game here. Would it have been embarrassing? Maybe. But are we really trying to make the Muschamp era not rock bottom? I remember the LSU game where TJ Finley looked like a future 1st round pick. See how bad he was this year for Auburn? I remember us not covering the best WR in the league last season against Ole Miss. I’m not saying we gave up a big day…I’m talking about the best player on the field and nobody within 30 yards of him…from a defensive minded coach.
Why reach guys? The Muschamp hire was a disaster. We could’ve hired anybody and got, at worst, the same results. Not sure how any candidate could’ve been worse.
Funny seeing the Auburn side of the narrative that has now emerged. Kirby was their plan too, except certain boosters thought it beneath them to hire a Bama assistant so they passed
The other candidates other than Kirby went to programs with more historical success and still failed.
Ok. But Muschamp had ALREADY failed and I’d say worse than any of the other candidates given with how bad he failed with what he had to work with. He lost to Georgia Southern as the head coach of the Florida Gators! How does that guy get another SEC job without working his way back up?!?! Not to mention we witnessed first hand how lousy he was, upsetting them in the Swamp…winning a game we had no business winning. But Muschamp did his thing…he coached the game in the only way he could that would allow us to block a punt…and steal a game that should’ve been over. We saw first hand the game that sent UF over the edge…and we still hired the bastard!
Any hire would’ve been better than Muschamp. We got exactly what we expected from him. Any other hire, and at least there was hope at the time. When Muschamp got hired, it felt like a dark cloud hovering over this program until the day he was let go.
Do you believe Muschamp was the right hire at the time? Seriously? Based on what? And did it not go exactly as most fans predicted?? How could it have been worse? Losing with any other candidate would’ve been less embarrassing than being the morons that hired a guy that had already failed miserably at Florida. Those Florida fans thought it was hilarious that we hired the clown. They knew. They were shocked anybody could be so dumb…
Not trying to be a jerk or anything. Just taken back that anybody could even suggest we got that hire right. People get negative about a lot of things. Taking a **** on Muschamp is the only negativity I feel is ALWAYS acceptable. He was an absolute disaster from the beginning to the end.
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Probably for similar reasons why we occasionally bring up why it was a mistake to leave the ACC. And no, I do not buy the argument that we "had to leave to eventually get into the SEC"
But back to football. Shane Beamer appears to be making all the right moves, both on and off the field. For example, I saw the video of him making an appearance at a USC club Ice Hockey game. IMO, a coach of one sport respecting and supporting teams of other sports at the school makes everyone look better. Muschamp didn't appear to do much of that.
To quote Al Gore "A zebra does not change its spots". Instead, we got exactly what he gave Florida. A bunch of seemingly good recruits who couldn't do the most basic football things like block, tackle, run, pass or catch.
Both Spurrier and Staley were present in Omaha when we won it all in 2010. But this was the first time I've ever heard of a varsity coach attending a club game.
Point well taken re: ACC secession via a vis the Muschamp hire.
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