2022 NCAA Tournament, Session 4 Thread
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Perfect. Win that one and barring a total PSU collapse, the title should be essentially locked up.
Here's the session recap. Goodnight, and good wrestling, all! See you in the morning.
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Penn State wrestling sends five to NCAA finals, leads team race entering final day
Penn State wrestling went five for six in the semifinal round of the NCAA Championships. Here's how it happened on Friday night.
That is strange because kerk was in top bracket and faces winner in consis in lower bracket. They are flipped. That is strange. Let’s hope kerk can take parris one more time!! Would get wood probably in 3rd place round then. Who does he wrestle first.
I felt the same. Last year's match was similar. Hidlay like to work the edge so Brooks does not have room to finish. Should have been more than 1 stall call on Hidlay.
PSU Matches in Session 5:
285 Consolation Semis: #4 Greg Kerkvliet vs. #7 Mason Parris (Michigan)
Win this match, and Kerk will be in the 3rd place match, which also takes place in Session 5. Lose this match, and Kerk will be in the 5th place match, which also takes place in Session 5.
285 Consolation Semis: #4 Greg Kerkvliet vs. #7 Mason Parris (Michigan)
Win this match, and Kerk will be in the 3rd place match, which also takes place in Session 5. Lose this match, and Kerk will be in the 5th place match, which also takes place in Session 5.
Ironhead was also baffled. In the wrap-up to to Session 4, he said that Kerk would wrestle Lucas Davison (NW) in the Consolation Semi. Track has Kerk wrestling Parris, and PSU Wrestling's write-up on GoPSUsports.com has Kerk wrestling Parris.
Three teams with more than one finalist
Penn State - 5
Michigan - 2
Princeton - 2. Nice job Tigers.
Penn State - 5
Michigan - 2
Princeton - 2. Nice job Tigers.
Team Scores After Session 4:
1. PSU - 108
2. Michigan - 84.5
3. ASU - 63.5
4. Iowa - 62
5. Nebraska - 54
6. NW - 49
7. VT - 48
8. Cornell - 45
9. Ohio State - 44
10. Mizzou - 42
11. Minnesota - 41
12. NC State - 40.5
13. Okla. State - 38.5
14. Oregon State - 38
14. Princeton - 38
16. UNC - 32
16. Wisconsin - 32
1. PSU - 108
2. Michigan - 84.5
3. ASU - 63.5
4. Iowa - 62
5. Nebraska - 54
6. NW - 49
7. VT - 48
8. Cornell - 45
9. Ohio State - 44
10. Mizzou - 42
11. Minnesota - 41
12. NC State - 40.5
13. Okla. State - 38.5
14. Oregon State - 38
14. Princeton - 38
16. UNC - 32
16. Wisconsin - 32
What a night, I put all UM matches on a note pad on my iphone and watched them all on delay. It was amazing to watch them fall. They had a run in the Big Tournament. Massa pin was amazing and what this sport is all about. Tough matches in finals tomorrow, PSU has to be heavy favorite to win it all. I did not think that going into tonight, Dean showed up tonight, so did Brooks, CStar,
Wrestlers in the Finals:
1. PSU - 5
2. Michigan - 2
2. Princeton - 2
4. ASU, Iowa, Nebraska, NW, VT, Cornell, Mizzou, Minnesota, Okla. St., UNC, and Standford - 1
Wrestlers still active after Session 4:
1. PSU - 6 (5 in Finals, 1 in Consolation)
1. Michigan - 6 (2 in Finals, 4 in Consolation)
3. ASU - 4 (1 in Finals, 3 in Consolation)
3. Iowa - 4 (1 in Finals, 3 in Consolation)
5. NW - 3 (1 in Finals, 2 in Consolation)
5. VT - 3 (1 in Finals, 2 in Consolation)
5. Ohio St. - 3 (0 in Finals, 3 in Consolation)
8. Nebraska - 2 (1 in Finals, 1 in Consolation)
8. Cornell - 2 (1 in Finals, 1 in Consolation)
8. Mizzou - 2 (1 in Finals, 1 in Consolation)
8. Minnesota - 2 (1 in Finals, 1 in Consolation)
8. UNC - 2 (0 in Finals, 2 in Consolation)
8. Okla. St. - 2 (1 in Finals, 1 in Consolation)
8. Princeton - 2 (2 in Finals, 0 in Consolation)
8. Wisconsin - 2 (0 in Finals, 2 in Consolation)
8. Stanford - 2 (1 in Finals, 1 in Consolation)
8. Iowa St - 2 (0 in Finals, 2 in Consolation)
8. Cal Poly - 2 (0 in Finals, 2 in Consolation)
9 teams have 1 wrestler still active
1. PSU - 5
2. Michigan - 2
2. Princeton - 2
4. ASU, Iowa, Nebraska, NW, VT, Cornell, Mizzou, Minnesota, Okla. St., UNC, and Standford - 1
Wrestlers still active after Session 4:
1. PSU - 6 (5 in Finals, 1 in Consolation)
1. Michigan - 6 (2 in Finals, 4 in Consolation)
3. ASU - 4 (1 in Finals, 3 in Consolation)
3. Iowa - 4 (1 in Finals, 3 in Consolation)
5. NW - 3 (1 in Finals, 2 in Consolation)
5. VT - 3 (1 in Finals, 2 in Consolation)
5. Ohio St. - 3 (0 in Finals, 3 in Consolation)
8. Nebraska - 2 (1 in Finals, 1 in Consolation)
8. Cornell - 2 (1 in Finals, 1 in Consolation)
8. Mizzou - 2 (1 in Finals, 1 in Consolation)
8. Minnesota - 2 (1 in Finals, 1 in Consolation)
8. UNC - 2 (0 in Finals, 2 in Consolation)
8. Okla. St. - 2 (1 in Finals, 1 in Consolation)
8. Princeton - 2 (2 in Finals, 0 in Consolation)
8. Wisconsin - 2 (0 in Finals, 2 in Consolation)
8. Stanford - 2 (1 in Finals, 1 in Consolation)
8. Iowa St - 2 (0 in Finals, 2 in Consolation)
8. Cal Poly - 2 (0 in Finals, 2 in Consolation)
9 teams have 1 wrestler still active
You always cross-bracket to the consolation semi-finals, at least every tournament I've ever wrestled in, coached in, etc. Since Kirk was up top, he crosses down to the bottom consolation bracket.
PSU matches in the Finals (Session 6)
133: #1 seed Roman Bravo-Young vs. #2 seed Daton Fix (Okla. State)
141: #1 seed Nick Lee vs. #15 seed Kizhan Clarke (UNC)
174: #1 seed Carter Starocci vs. #2 seed Mekhi Lewis (VT)
184: #2 seed Aaron Brooks vs. #1 seed Myles Amine (Michigan)
197: #1 seed Max Dean vs. #6 seed Jacob Warner (Iowa)
133: #1 seed Roman Bravo-Young vs. #2 seed Daton Fix (Okla. State)
141: #1 seed Nick Lee vs. #15 seed Kizhan Clarke (UNC)
174: #1 seed Carter Starocci vs. #2 seed Mekhi Lewis (VT)
184: #2 seed Aaron Brooks vs. #1 seed Myles Amine (Michigan)
197: #1 seed Max Dean vs. #6 seed Jacob Warner (Iowa)
It’s always that way. Every bracket is the same, you flip sides when you go down so you don’t wrestle the same guys again right away.
Be careful. Rivera = Witvoet. I don’t want to see Angel anywhere near RBY on Saturday.
Baseball is a better comparison -- think the Magic Number to clinch the playoffs, at the end of the regular season.
There's a pretty good chance that PSU clinches in Session 5 -- here's the math:
PSU’s Magic Number = 23.0 to win outright. That's any combination of PSU placement points, PSU bonus points, Michigan failing to score placement points, and Michigan failing to score bonus points.
Michigan has 4 wrestlers in consi semis (Lewan, Amine, Massa, Parris).
For each of them, the Magic Number could be reduced by as much as 8.0 pts, as follows:
- Finish 3rd: Magic Number reduced by bonus points lost (0.5 to 4.0 pts)
- Finish 4th: Magic Number reduced by 1.0 + bonus points lost
- Finish 5th: Magic Number reduced by 3.0 + bonus points lost
- Finish 6th: Magic Number reduced by 4.0 + bonus points lost
Additionally, PSU has 1 wrestler in consi semis (Kerk). He could cut the Magic Number by as much as 8.0 pts:
- Finish 3rd: Magic Number reduced by 4.0 + bonus points gained (0.5 to 4.0)
- Finish 4th: Magic Number reduced by 3.0 + bonus points gained
- Finish 5th: Magic Number reduced by 1.0 + bonus points gained
- Finish 6th: No change to Magic Number
If Lewan and Parris finish 5th, Amine 4th, Massa 3rd, Kerk 3rd, all with no bonus -- then the Magic Number drops by 27.0 out of a needed 23.0 pts --> PSU clinches tomorrow morning.
IMO that's a little generous toward Michigan. I would pick Hamiti (though he's never faced Lewan). And Kemerer beat Massa this year -- this obviously depends on his shoulder, but it is the first match of the day.
BTW, here are updated official brackets:
If Michigan wins out with no bonus, they lose 20 bonus points, magic number 3. Leaves zero room for error. Like PSU odds.
Yea if you look at brackets it flips perhaps wanting all guys to try to wrestle each other in wrestle backs. Perhaps they assume that the top guys already beat the guys in same bracket in champ round and would do so again and that wouldn’t be fair.
They do with wrestling too, coverage is so sketchy regarding PSU. The color guy last night was great, former Cowboy, 2X MMA Champ, he heaped praise on Cael talking about 4/6 Olympic champs train with him, how Cael trains with his guys, talked about how he spent 45 min rolling with Brooks.True, but in football espn considers that a Michigan win.
OK, here is one guys REAL thoughts for these finals match-ups:
Feeling pretty good = #141 and #197
Feeling somewhat nervous = #133 and #174
Feeling REALLY NERVOUS = #184! Bad match-up for Brooks.
Lastly, Kerk beats Parris, he FINISHES THIRD!!! Book it Dano!
I hadn't heard that. In 2018, an excited Bo Nickal threw his headgear after he pinned Myles Martin to win the championship. PSU was docked a team point which fortunately didn't matter. Hopefully PSU can win this year's team title by more than a point so thrown headgear won't be a story.
Michigan wasn't docked for that. If you go to the Penn State Wrestling Club tournament site and add up the Michigan individual scores, it equals the Michigan team score of 84.5 pts.
And good. All he did was slide his headgear underhanded toward his bench. That's not unsportsmanlike conduct. Any ref who would call that, should be fired on the spot.
Frankly I hate docking team points for a headgear spike too -- like when Bo pinned Martin, or when RBY beat Pletcher in OT. Also when Snyder threw his headgear into the stands at nationals. As long as it isn't directed at the other team. This isn't the No Fun League. Let them have some emotion.
Just ask Desmond HowardTrue, but in football espn considers that a Michigan win.
My funniest headgear memory was when an MSU wrestler threw his headgear in defeat during round 1. They never scored a point during the tournament & actually ended up with a team score of -1.
How funny is that?
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