21 transfers out

[18IsTheMan]

That's just A LOT of roster turnover. Yes, I know, a lot of the guys who have entered the portal were non-contributors so far, but that's a lot of bodies no matter how you slice it. Throw in those players who are out of eligibility or going pro and you're over 30 players gone from the team.

And to the "this is happening to everyone" crowd, we are near the tip top for the number of transfers out. I think 3 teams have 22. Indiana has 24 and Purdue has 25..

 

[gamecock stock]

That's just A LOT of roster turnover. Yes, I know, a lot of the guys who have entered the portal were non-contributors so far, but that's a lot of bodies no matter how you slice it. Throw in those players who are out of eligibility or going pro and you're over 30 players gone from the team.

And to the "this is happening to everyone" crowd, we are near the tip top for the number of transfers out. I think 3 teams have 22. Indiana has 24.

Large turnover in any organization, not just athletic teams, indicates a problem in that organization.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Large turnover in any organization, not just athletic teams, indicates a problem in that organization.

That always has to be taken into consideration as a possibility.

Could also just be that this is how some teams are going to have to operate going forward. Plan on mass defections each year and having to restock from the portal.

 

[gamecock stock]

Could also just be that this is how some teams are going to have to operate going forward. Plan on mass defections each year and having to restock from the portal.

If that does not kill college football, nothing will.

 

[18IsTheMan]

If that does not kill college football, nothing will.

I doubt it'll kill it. There's too much money to be had and most fans probably aren't really college football fans, just sports fans, so they don't care how a team is assembled.

Nobody who is a fan of the portal is a college football fan.

 

[gamecock stock]

EVERY player wants to be THE guy. Nobody wants to be 2nd team. A lot of the transferring out, I suspect, can be traced to that.

 

[18IsTheMan]

EVERY player wants to be THE guy. Nobody wants to be 2nd team. A lot of the transferring out, I suspect, can be traced to that.

I would say most of it. Used to be that players just accepted the reality if they signed with a school and couldn't win a starting job. No more. If you're a coach, particularly at a school like USC, I think you have to basically have 0 confidence in any backup returning. Simply can't make any assumptions.

 

[gamecock stock]

I doubt it'll kill it. There's too much money to be had and most fans probably aren't really college football fans, just sports fans, so they don't care how a team is assembled.

Nobody who is a fan of the portal is a college football fan.

I can only speak for myself but, my interest in college football is at the apathetic stage.

 

[gamecock stock]

I would say most of it. Used to be that players just accepted the reality if they signed with a school and couldn't win a starting job. No more. If you're a coach, particularly at a school like USC, I think you have to basically have 0 confidence in any backup returning. Simply can't make any assumptions.

Teams like Georgia and Alabama should be losing boatloads of players. Are they? I don't know.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Teams like Georgia and Alabama should be losing boatloads of players. Are they? I don't know.

Bama has 4. UGA does have 19 but, of course, they are better positioned to take the hit than we are.

We're just thin as it is.

 

[Surfcock]

For the portal and NIL process update, I’d like to see:

1 year sit out put back in place

Make NIL public just like we know when pro teams sign contracts. This takes all the rumors out of play.

Top level teams (playoff teams and top level bowl teams - sugar / orange and then level bowl teams - Outback , citrus, gator). Pay a tiered down luxury type tax to teams who didn’t make bowl games on the NIL contract to the school who lost the player.

Let’s say Vandy lost a player to Michigan. MU nil deal for the kid is X. MU would pay Vandys nil group a 60% tax to help Vandys nil be competitive.

This way the rich won’t keep getting richer and it will help the lower level and less money nil schools remain somewhat competitive in the market

The level of tax to a schools nil would be set at a reduced rate depending on where they finished in the playoffs and bowl games. There needs to be some type of compensation just like in the pros

No bowl game - no tax

Just a thought

 

[columbiaescapee]

Why redshirt anybody in this era? Makes no sense to me. If the player can contribute in some fashion - even just a play or two, use them

 

[Deleted11512]

For the portal and NIL process update, I’d like to see:

1 year sit out put back in place

Make NIL public just like we know when pro teams sign contracts. This takes all the rumors out of play.

Top level teams (playoff teams and top level bowl teams - sugar / orange and then level bowl teams - Outback , citrus, gator). Pay a tiered down luxury type tax to teams who didn’t make bowl games on the NIL contract to the school who lost the player.

Let’s say Vandy lost a player to Michigan. MU nil deal for the kid is X. MU would pay Vandys nil group a 60% tax to help Vandys nil be competitive.

This way the rich won’t keep getting richer and it will help the lower level and less money nil schools remain somewhat competitive in the market

The level of tax to a schools nil would be set at a reduced rate depending on where they finished in the playoffs and bowl games. There needs to be some type of compensation just like in the pros

No bowl game - no tax

Just a thought

The schools do not have any direct involvement in paying players. So that wouldn't work. The only way to wrangle this is to have them under contract as employees of the athletic department.

 

[Deleted11512]

That's just A LOT of roster turnover. Yes, I know, a lot of the guys who have entered the portal were non-contributors so far, but that's a lot of bodies no matter how you slice it. Throw in those players who are out of eligibility or going pro and you're over 30 players gone from the team.

And to the "this is happening to everyone" crowd, we are near the tip top for the number of transfers out. I think 3 teams have 22. Indiana has 24 and Purdue has 25..

We just went 5-7. There should be roster turnover. LB, outside of Debo, was a MAJOR issue this year. I'd venture so say, as a unit, it was probably one of the worst in the SEC. It's a similar discussion we had around losing GG last year. People were saying it's a huge loss bc he was our leading scorer...on one of the worst scoring teams in the country. Snag a couple of decent LBs in the portal and we're better off. Looks like we have 2 coming in this week on OVs.

I will say this. White coaches LBs. Stone and Pup were both 4*s. Neither played like it. Something isn't hitting right with either scouting or development. I want to believe these two are coaching change related, but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Slim Chickens Gamecock]

Has Beamer made the same observations D. Sanders made at Colorado, but just handling it differently? HAs he seen what we see and that is our team getting pushed around physically and he knows that has to end. HAS he whispered to Cam Sunderline, who never made the field as far as I know and said, 'my man, you are too soft for big boy football"??? is this what is at the root of this and a designed exodus from our beloved school??
THAT- would be the only acceptable answer I could swallow? I didn't study Stone Blanton on tape, but I saw plenty of times when he was clearly out run to the edge, and he was trailing the play- the last place you need that 2nd level defender to be. I would also see him needlessly pile into a pile of players sometimes not even close to the ball carrier to attempt to appear to be physical. But what of Pup???? dude was heralded as the next coming of a real LB for us. Big and rangy. What were his stats? Was he that lost? that slow? he got playing time as a freshman. What other than money is calling him to another school. Or is there something internally prohibiting players from wanting to be at USC? This one makes me, for the first time, wonder about the competency of the Defensive coaches. I just don't get it. What is at the root of it? Now we have another decimated Defensive position. we don't have Georgia depth so this is nowhere close to a comparable situation to them. Who does that leave for us that can play the position. Bam, Debo, and who else is left or new that can impact and improve or due we regress. I like those two but that is not enough. GA has 8 or more of that caliber. oh and for the record. Out special teams stank last year. Not enough LB types on special teams. all gone. How does an arse like Harbaugh keep players knowing he is a scum sack? and we with the pied piper not keep players on board? I just don't get it anymore. WE can question the character all day long, understandably, however those spoiled players are defecting us and going somewhere??

 

[18IsTheMan]

We just went 5-7. There should be roster turnover. LB, outside of Debo, was a MAJOR issue this year. I'd venture so say, as a unit, it was probably one of the worst in the SEC. It's a similar discussion we had around losing GG last year. People were saying it's a huge loss bc he was our leading scorer...on one of the worst scoring teams in the country. Snag a couple of decent LBs in the portal and we're better off. Looks like we have 2 coming in this week on OVs.

I will say this. White coaches LBs. Stone and Pup were both 4*s. Neither played like it. Something isn't hitting right with either scouting or development. I want to believe these two are coaching change related, but I'll believe it when I see it.

I generally agree that I'm not overly concerned about losing talent from a team that was as bad as we were last year. We had 1 win that mattered. Nevertheless, going into Year 4 and having to replace 30 some odd players is not a great position to be in.

 

[Hoganman1]

For the portal and NIL process update, I’d like to see:

1 year sit out put back in place

Make NIL public just like we know when pro teams sign contracts. This takes all the rumors out of play.

Top level teams (playoff teams and top level bowl teams - sugar / orange and then level bowl teams - Outback , citrus, gator). Pay a tiered down luxury type tax to teams who didn’t make bowl games on the NIL contract to the school who lost the player.

Let’s say Vandy lost a player to Michigan. MU nil deal for the kid is X. MU would pay Vandys nil group a 60% tax to help Vandys nil be competitive.

This way the rich won’t keep getting richer and it will help the lower level and less money nil schools remain somewhat competitive in the market

The level of tax to a schools nil would be set at a reduced rate depending on where they finished in the playoffs and bowl games. There needs to be some type of compensation just like in the pros

No bowl game - no tax

Just a thought

This idea might help. My question is: who has the power to do some of this? It's clear the top programs will survive but mid tier and lower tier programs will struggle going forward the way things are now. I'm afraid there is no way to "put the toothpaste back in the tube" without massive changes. Of course, doing so would bring on litigation. As with all things involving money the lawyers will be the winners. I find a lot of similarities with professional golf. Once money becomes the sole motivating factor, chaos reigns. During my working career I have changed jobs several times for more money. It has become human nature. The days of playing college football for the same school for three or four years are gone. Players like Dak Joyner are now an extinct species. I guess we'll just have to live with that fact until something changes (if it ever does).

 

[Deleted11512]

I generally agree that I'm not overly concerned about losing talent from a team that was as bad as we were last year. We had 1 win that mattered. Nevertheless, going into Year 4 and having to replace 30 some odd players is not a great position to be in.

As long as they're not contributors it will be fine. Ole Miss lost 32 to the portal last year and lost 23 in 2022. New coaches have an advantage with the portal. The first couple of classes generally have more misses, or just aren't that good. The portal gives you an opportunity to correct those rather quickly.

 

[18IsTheMan]

As long as they're not contributors it will be fine. Ole Miss lost 32 to the portal last year and lost 23 in 2022. New coaches have an advantage with the portal. The first couple of classes generally have more misses, or just aren't that good. The portal gives you an opportunity to correct those rather quickly.

We corrected from 8-5 to 5-7.

I admire your unwavering optimism about everything that happens to the team. Just don't think we are in a position to be successful while doing roster rebuilds every year.

 

[Deleted11512]

Has Beamer made the same observations D. Sanders made at Colorado, but just handling it differently? HAs he seen what we see and that is our team getting pushed around physically and he knows that has to end. HAS he whispered to Cam Sunderline, who never made the field as far as I know and said, 'my man, you are too soft for big boy football"??? is this what is at the root of this and a designed exodus from our beloved school??
THAT- would be the only acceptable answer I could swallow? I didn't study Stone Blanton on tape, but I saw plenty of times when he was clearly out run to the edge, and he was trailing the play- the last place you need that 2nd level defender to be. I would also see him needlessly pile into a pile of players sometimes not even close to the ball carrier to attempt to appear to be physical. But what of Pup???? dude was heralded as the next coming of a real LB for us. Big and rangy. What were his stats? Was he that lost? that slow? he got playing time as a freshman. What other than money is calling him to another school. Or is there something internally prohibiting players from wanting to be at USC? This one makes me, for the first time, wonder about the competency of the Defensive coaches. I just don't get it. What is at the root of it? Now we have another decimated Defensive position. we don't have Georgia depth so this is nowhere close to a comparable situation to them. Who does that leave for us that can play the position. Bam, Debo, and who else is left or new that can impact and improve or due we regress. I like those two but that is not enough. GA has 8 or more of that caliber. oh and for the record. Out special teams stank last year. Not enough LB types on special teams. all gone. How does an arse like Harbaugh keep players knowing he is a scum sack? and we with the pied piper not keep players on board? I just don't get it anymore. WE can question the character all day long, understandably, however those spoiled players are defecting us and going somewhere??

His 2021 class was ranked 71st. The 22 class was 28th. The portal offers kids that can't crack the 2 deep, like Sandlin, a chance to go get PT. It also offers coaches the chance to tell a kid that is playing, but not too well, that we're actively recruiting the portal for your position. There's no guarantee you're going to play next year.

Pup is 6-4 250lbs. Didn't seem like he had the agility to play in space. Maybe he'll develop. But he had 18 tackles on the year. Not really all that great. We need more than what we got from him and Stone. Lets see how Beamer addresses it in the portal before talking about the position being decimated.

Harbaugh is a player's coach. They love him. That was evident through this entire sign stealing fiasco. Also, it's easier to keep guys when you're winning.

 

[18IsTheMan]

His 2021 class was ranked 71st. The 22 class was 28th. The portal offers kids that can't crack the 2 deep, like Sandlin, a chance to go get PT. It also offers coaches the chance to tell a kid that is playing, but not too well, that we're actively recruiting the portal for your position. There's no guarantee you're going to play next year.

Pup is 6-4 250lbs. Didn't seem like he had the agility to play in space. Maybe he'll develop. But he had 18 tackles on the year. Not really all that great. We need more than what we got from him and Stone. Lets see how Beamer addresses it in the portal before talking about the position being decimated.

Harbaugh is a player's coach. They love him. That was evident through this entire sign stealing fiasco. Also, it's easier to keep guys when you're winning.

By all accounts, Howard was expected to be a key contributor going forward.

 

[Deleted11512]

We corrected from 8-5 to 5-7.

I admire your unwavering optimism about everything that happens to the team. Just don't think we are in a position to be successful while doing roster rebuilds every year.

Well, there are reasons that happened.

1. Failure to maintain the RB room
2. OL decimated with injuries
3. Best player on O out for the year

When your roster sucks, you can't afford to sit around and wait for kids to graduate anymore. They got to go.

 

[Deleted11512]

By all accounts, Howard was expected to be a key contributor going forward.

I agree, there was hope he would develop into something. But he had been with the team since bowl practice last year, even played in the bowl. I would have hoped he would have found a way to show something on a D desperately seeking playmakers. He did not.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I agree, there was hope he would develop into something. But he had been with the team since bowl practice last year, even played in the bowl. I would have hoped he would have found a way to show something on a D desperately seeking playmakers. He did not.

He was a true freshman, right?

 

[Evilchicken]

The portal giveth, and the portal taketh. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy. Sports is for entertainment, right? Lol

 

[gamecock stock]

Bama has 4. UGA does have 19 but, of course, they are better positioned to take the hit than we are.

We're just thin as it is.

We ought to be in the hunt for some of that UGA 19. But, I suspect we are not. smh

 

[Deleted11512]

He was a true freshman, right?

Yep. But like I said, he'd been with the team since Gator Bowl practice, went all through spring and summer. DQ Smith, Nick E, and Kilgore all shined as true freshmen. I'm not asking him to be a freshman AA. But I was expecting him to be better than he was.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Yep. But like I said, he'd been with the team since Gator Bowl practice, went all through spring and summer. DQ Smith, Nick E, and Kilgore all shined as true freshmen. I'm not asking him to be a freshman AA. But I was expecting him to be better than he was.

I understand we can make a justification for any player who transfers out that it's not a loss.

 

[Mr. Belvedere]

Large turnover in any organization, not just athletic teams, indicates a problem in that organization.

Yes its called not winning. Why are we so concerned about all the turnover from a 5-7 TEAM? The reactions here by and large are simply unwarranted. The concern should be about perceived talent only achieving a 5-7 record.

 

[Mr. Belvedere]

I would say most of it. Used to be that players just accepted the reality if they signed with a school and couldn't win a starting job. No more. If you're a coach, particularly at a school like USC, I think you have to basically have 0 confidence in any backup returning. Simply can't make any assumptions.

Our starters were 5-7

 

[18IsTheMan]

Yes its called not winning. Why are we so concerned about all the turnover from a 5-7 TEAM? The reactions here by and large are simply unwarranted. The concern should be about perceived talent only achieving a 5-7 record.

Our starters were 5-7

Already addressed above.

 

[Lurker123]

Yes its called not winning. Why are we so concerned about all the turnover from a 5-7 TEAM? The reactions here by and large are simply unwarranted. The concern should be about perceived talent only achieving a 5-7 record.

Not sure I follow. We went 5-7, and now are losing guys that we were planning to use to try and improve on that.

Maybe I should word it this way. We are trying to build a better team, and losing players, even depth players, does not help that.

 

[Deleted11512]

I understand we can make a justification for any player who transfers out that it's not a loss.

Nichols, Juice, and Mario were losses. We've replaced Mario with a better player. We'll see on the others. Sometimes, they're just not big losses. If Pup were a 3* recruit nobody would care. Generally your eyes don't lie. Same thing happened with Bell. Everyone panicked, and turns out we replaced his production and he didn't produce any better at FSU than he did here. Not a big loss.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Not sure I follow. We went 5-7, and now are losing guys that we were planning to use to try and improve on that.

Maybe I should word it this way. We are trying to build a better team, and losing players, even depth players, does not help that.

I sort of understand the rationale that it's not a big deal to lose players from a team that was as bad as we were, but that's predicated on the notion that you're going to mostly upgrade for every player that transfers out. Also, if you look at it that way...that all these players are leaving b/c they sucked...then that shines a terrible light on recruiting, which is supposed to be Beamer's bread and butter. Every coach misses on recruits, but if you've got to gut the roster after Year 3, it means you're not doing something right in recruiting. Or the staff doesn't trust their player development.

No, the "it's ok to lose players from a 5-7 team" seems to be an insufficient explanation.

 

[Deleted11512]

Not sure I follow. We went 5-7, and now are losing guys that we were planning to use to try and improve on that.

Maybe I should word it this way. We are trying to build a better team, and losing players, even depth players, does not help that.

Depth players are getting replaced. People are acting like we're just losing players and won't have enough to fill a roster. Just not true. We'll probably bring in 30+ players between HS and portal players.

The LB room currently has Kaba, Debo, Willis, Scott. Stewart will play some LB. Gregory and Johnson coming in. We've got a couple of transfers coming in for OVs this week. Maybe Pup blows up. Maybe he doesn't. The portal is putting pressure for guys to perform as true freshmen. If they can't, you've got to protect yourself. You don't have 3 years to develop kids anymore.

 

[Deleted11512]

I sort of understand the rationale that it's not a big deal to lose players from a team that was as bad as we were, but that's predicated on the notion that you're going to mostly upgrade for every player that transfers out. Also, if you look at it that way...that all these players are leaving b/c they sucked...then that shines a terrible light on recruiting, which is supposed to be Beamer's bread and butter. Every coach misses on recruits, but if you've got to gut the roster after Year 3, it means you're not doing something right in recruiting. Or the staff doesn't trust their player development.

No, the "it's ok to lose players from a 5-7 team" seems to be an insufficient explanation.

Everyone should have known the first 2 classes were duds. If you're surprised by that, that's a you issue. We were 71st and 28th.

 

[Lurker123]

Depth players are getting replaced. People are acting like we're just losing players and won't have enough to fill a roster. Just not true. We'll probably bring in 30+ players between HS and portal players.

I'm personally not worried that we will have enough players, we can always pick up portal players to fill in.

Its the notion that we have high expectations for players right up until they transfer. Then they were no good, and we won't miss them.

It might be true for some, but it can't be true for all.

 

[Lurker123]

Everyone should have known the first 2 classes were duds. If you're surprised by that, that's a you issue. We were 71st and 28th.

The first class had only 13 commits, and 247 had our second class as 24th. (Right within our norm).

I think claiming the second class was now a dud is a bit of revisionist history.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I'm personally not worried that we will have enough players, we can always pick up portal players to fill in.

Its the notion that we have high expectations for players right up until they transfer. Then they were no good, and we won't miss them.

It might be true for some, but it can't be true for all.

 

[Deleted11512]

The first class had only 13 commits, and 247 had our second class as 24th. (Right within our norm).

I think claiming the second class was now a dud is a bit of revisionist history.

It also had 12 transfers. Go through that list of 25 players that came in and tell me which ones are legit SEC starters. I'll save you some trouble...Debo. That's it. Maybe Bam, we'll see how this year goes.

On3 had the 2022 class at 28, obviously a discrepancy. Maybe they don't count transfers? Point being we're bringing in better players than we were in 21/22. If you want to use 247 we're at 17, and still going to bring in another handful of players.