They can't be title contenders. They had waaaay too many transfers out and have built their team with the portal.
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DaboSits2PeePee. You were missing last week when that boy was called out by ring of honor Terry Kinard. Thought sure you'd get in on those threads. Not like you to miss anything dabo. Did I just not see your comments??
I think I had one in there. I'm all for anything that paints Dabo and Clemmy in a bad light. But that whole story was just weird. Dabo scolding a scout team player bc he wants to transfer? Just don't buy it.
I don't know. I think the best portal guys want to go to the best teams; to win, and win championships. We seem to be aiming for FCS guys (Rocket notwithstanding). We're mired in mediocrity, and thusly attract mediocrity, imo.
The top portal guys are following the $$. It just so happens that the top programs have the ability and are willing to pay it. Judkins is a perfect example. OM is considered by many to be a playoff contender. Expectations are at an all time high. But someone has told him he can make more money elsewhere.I don't know. I think the best portal guys want to go to the best teams; to win, and win championships. We seem to be aiming for FCS guys (Rocket notwithstanding). We're mired in mediocrity, and thusly attract mediocrity, imo.
I've noticed the same.....that we seem to go for FCS guys or lower tier FBS guys or Vanderbilt guys. We need to aim higher.I don't know. I think the best portal guys want to go to the best teams; to win, and win championships. We seem to be aiming for FCS guys (Rocket notwithstanding). We're mired in mediocrity, and thusly attract mediocrity, imo.
I question how good of a recruiter Beamer is. I was NOT for hiring him. Those who were, touted Beamer's recruiting skills. He is not recruiting any better than Muschamp did. Those who touted Beamer's recruiting skills, may have been sold a "bill of goods".
I hope none of what I say here is stepping on toes. But, I think the jury is still out on Beamer. In his tenure, we were close to losing to East Carolina, Vanderbilt and Jax State. If we had lost those 3 games, would we be going into a 4th season with Beamer?
Apathy would be a step up for me. As myself and others have stated previously on here and elsewhere, it's difficult to cut ties with something you've enthusiastically enjoyed and supported most of my life, both financially and in person at the games. But I've concluded that cutting ties is what needs to happen after 50+ years, it's just a matter of weaning myself. They can put lipstick on the pig to dress it up all they want, but it is now semi-pro ball being played by kids that couldn't care less about the University, any university really. There is no loyalty, allegiance, or "team" in any of it and that doesn't sit right with me and many others. It is about $ and dollars will continue to flow so each fan must decide where they stand. Amateur athletics is gone, love it or leave it.
Tax the better performing teams, are we at tyranny yet, or just Socialism? Good luck with that.
Well said. I don't sense that the NCAA or the schools themselves will do anything to "right the ship". It is "semi- pro ball" now. Unless there are changes, college football is only of passing interest to me now.
How can we keep hemorrhaging players and the response by many be, well they weren't contributing anyway. Of course not, many just got here! All that tells me is that if these players are relegated to "not-SEC-caliber" after just one year, then they weren't properly evaluated by the staff. So 4* Grayson Howard was never going to be a contributor or a starter?
You've just tapped into the demented SC fan who is totally detached from reality.
21.5 with the TE leaving before he got here. This is gettin kinda hectic.
As long as the transfer ins are better than the transfer outs…. The turn over rate is cRaZy. Hopefully, it can work to our advantage.
We shall see.
We shall see.
Did you even read my post? Tyranny? Socialism?
That’s a bit of a stretch. January’s a dry month
Good luck you’re one week in
You are right we will never be competitive ever again ! Hopefully we can get into second tier when conferences do not exist anymore and play for a NIT type deal like basketball has now. Not great but who we are . Clemson will be in same boat also. They don’t have the money to compete either. Small alumni base without the finances to compete now that it’s open season everywhere and you can buy players. They thrived when it was illegal but that’s over now. They did take advantage of weak *** ACC but we didn’t have that option. I have often wondered what those 2010-2013 teams we had would have done with ACC schedule. Oh well had some good times snd memories! Sad it’s over!
Not sure how I feel about that, I'm an old guy whose exit ramp on this road trip called "life" is not that far away. But for young guys in their 40s and under (like "18IsTheMan"), I feel bad for them, if what you say comes to happen.
I think when the new tiering comes about and we are in the second tier, watching football will be more fun. College football for the second tier programs will be more like college football was before ESPN ruined college football and fans were passionate about "their team" and winning a championship wasn't the only thing that mattered.
I have a friend who went to Mercer in Macon and he goes back to some of their games. They aren't great but they are competitive in their conference and he says the games are a blast to go to. It doesn't cost a fortune for tickets, the attitude of the school is laid back about tailgating and there are areas around the stadium dedicated to fun things for kids to do and the atmosphere is very much one of people having a good time. Going to college football games as a kid in the '70s was a lot like what Mercer has going on now. I think I would enjoy going back to a game day experience like that.
Some of you guys who think freshman will step right in and play at an elite SEC level are a trip. Clowney didn’t really start playing until about halfway through his frosh year, and his success that year was largely attributable to Ingram. About the only positions that are capable of stepping in right away are RBs and kickers and an occasional WR. Almost none play at a high level the first few games. With our coaching staff, none will.
Beamer has coached 3 freshman All Americans so far. Nick E, DQ Smith, and Baugh. Get a grip man.
And nowhere in my post did I say any would be elite. Although I can see Stewart blowing up as a freshman. But there are some that will counted on to contribute.
As far as JD, the reason he didn’t start was Ingram. If MI6 hadn’t been there he would’ve started from day 1. We were fortunate to have elite talent in front of JD. JD played in the first game of the year. He mostly played on passing situations when we moved Ingram inside in that “rabbit” formation. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Guy has no clue. Clearly everything he says is driven by one agenda. Clowneys stats from his freshman year:
Wait, just to be clear, we're arguing that freshmen can be counted on for big impacts, because of Clowney? Was he the norm for incoming players?
Edit: Perhaps some clarification. One can argue that Clowney had an impact as a freshman while still arguing its foolish to rest hopes on incoming freshmen, right?
Edit: Perhaps some clarification. One can argue that Clowney had an impact as a freshman while still arguing its foolish to rest hopes on incoming freshmen, right?
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No. Guy has a little revisionist history about JD’s freshman year. He’s saying that bc JD didn’t start every game as a freshman it’s ridiculous to expect ANY freshman to contribute. He’s choosing to ignore the fact that we had one of the best DEs in our history ahead of him. But he still played from the first game of the year to the last. And was an All American. So I’m just as confused as you are.
NOBODY in this thread is “resting all of our hopes on freshmen”. But there will be several that play. Apparently that’s ridiculous.
He did say "at a high level". I agree with him on that. Regardless of Clowney, or a few outliers, it's not a good idea if we're pinning hopes on large contributions from freshmen. We do play in the SEC, not the ACC.
Again, nobody is pinning all their hopes on freshmen. So I’m not sure what the argument is.
oops…forgot about Kilgore. So that’s 4 freshman AAs in the last 2 classes. Again, the notion that this staff can’t get freshmen ready is stupid. They’ve proven they can. But nobody would argue that we shouldn’t put all our hope in freshmen.
When you have a team that played horribly for half the season you had better dump out the dust bin.
Just looking at numbers, 4 FR out of two classes is not a high percentage.
Other than that, it's good we all agree then. It's not a good idea to pin hopes on freshmen.
You guys can argue about Clowney.