3 more weeks of baseball hell......

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This season cannot end soon enough. Hopefully we will have our new coach announced by the beginning of summer, enjoy a tad of optimism, assuming our dozen injured players come back next year, and also assuming the new coach isn't Raffo, which it will be, so I don't even know why the hell I'm posting this. Then we can turn our attention to football season, thank God.

Amazing how the thought process was 180 degrees different this time last year.</p>
 
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This season cannot end soon enough. Hopefully we will have our new coach announced by the beginning of summer, enjoy a tad of optimism, assuming our dozen injured players come back next year, and also assuming the new coach isn't Raffo, which it will be, so I don't even know why the hell I'm posting this. Then we can turn our attention to football season, thank God.

Amazing how the thought process was 180 degrees different this time last year.</p>
 
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This season cannot end soon enough. Hopefully we will have our new coach announced by the beginning of summer, enjoy a tad of optimism, assuming our dozen injured players come back next year, and also assuming the new coach isn't Raffo, which it will be, so I don't even know why the hell I'm posting this. Then we can turn our attention to football season, thank God.

Amazing how the thought process was 180 degrees different this time last year.</p>
 

dawgstudent

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I think we won't announce until after CWS so a lot of speculation between now and then.
 

patdog

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but there will definitely be a dead period of at least 2-4 weeks between the end of our season on May 18 and an announcement.
 
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I think if it's Raffo, it will be announced sooner. Common sense says if we wait later then it could possibly be one of those proven guys that we've all been raving about.
 

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Yeah, I'm guessing it will be mid-June at the earliest...And i'm pretty confident it isnt going to be Raffo...we are going to talk to some high profile coaches, and many will be interested. And i have a sneaking suspicion that Cohen is going to change his tune after the season and realize since this is the job he wants, and may not get another chance at it, he better act now.

I feel like Byrne has this under control and is going to make a great hire for the future of Miss St baseball
 

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Goat Holder said:
I think if it's Raffo, it will be announced sooner. Common sense says if we wait later then it could possibly be one of those proven guys that we've all been raving about.

</p>If it was going to be Raffo, it would have already been announced by now
 

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He said that he wouldn't announce a new coach until that coach's season was over. Theoretically, that could be any time from May 20 or so until late June. And of course, if the new coach is Cohen, he won't be announced until July 1 because that's the date his buyout from Kentucky expires unless they've made "substantial progress" on their new baseball facilities.
 

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Goat Holder said:
I think if it's Raffo, it will be announced sooner. Common sense says if we wait later then it could possibly be one of those proven guys that we've all been raving about.

I feel more and more confident every day that it will not be Raffo. The worst thing that could have happened to raffo was Polk coming out and pushing for him to be the next coach. They way this season has gone I dont think there is any chance that Raffo gets the job</p>
 

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More than likely after the CWS

Byrne said that yesterday to a group of us in a one of the skyboxes yesterday
 

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It's not going to be Raffo and if push comes to shove, Cohen will cross Polk and take what may be his only chance at the MSU job as long as he, Raffo and Polk all know that Raffo isn't the second choice if Cohen turns it down. But I'm not sure Cohen will ever be offered the job to begin with. I think this will be a national search and won't be limited to coaches inside the Polk family. And I expect Pat Casey to be involved either as a candidate or an advisor.
 

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J.Cohen seems like a favorite to a lot of people, but I hope we aim higher than that. He may be a great coach, but mostly it seems like they have an easy o.o.c. schedule then even out when they hit conference play. I don't think they(KY.) have made it out of their own regional so far, and I can't remember them winning the SECT. Someone on another board was saying Cohen has a large recruiting area north of them that is mostly all his. I have nothing against J.C., I just don't see him any better than Mike Kinnison, or Steve Smith at Baylor. JMO.
 

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is people have to realize how ****** a school Kentucky was for baseball. The 10 years before he got there, they had 8 losing seasons. Winning the SEC title in baseball at Kentucky is like Vandy winning the SEC title in football. He is still only a few years into his tenure at Kentucky, and its hard to turn decades of losing into a winner overnight. Yet he has them ranked now consistently, and they are regional bound again this year.

I'm not saying he should be the only candidate, but is without a doubt a very good one. He is miles ahead of Raffo, thats for sure.
 

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3rd best overall record in the SEC and tied for 4th best conference record. Meanwhile, we have the 11th best record in the SEC since Polk returned. Cohen may not be the best coach out there for us, but make no mistake about it, if we were to hire him this program would move forward for the first time this century.
 

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I'll take their shittiness over what we are putting out there any day. And that is at KENTUCKY
 

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...I'm NOT comparing teams...I'm dogging on Cohen. You two take a break form bumping peters and get with the program.
 

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after a so called "national search", it will only be because everyone else in the national search said no thanks. I just cannot believe that will happen. I really believe that there are only 15 or 20 head coaches in D1 baseball that would turn this job down if it were offered. Assuming, that is, that the pot gets sweetened to around a half a mil. I have had people tell me we can't afford that, but I call ********. We will have to come up with more than the 300K that Polk is making, and I think that can and will be done.
 

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To reply to several:

Why do people forget about what Cohen has done a Missouri and Northwestern State? Mizzou was a once proud program that had fallen on hard times (they have a NC, I believe in the 50's) and Cohen helped turn them around. Yes, they only made one or two Regionals, but that was when it was a LOT harder to make a Regional than it is now. That was also his first job, and that was when the Big 8 was around, which was a pretty good conference even before they added the Texas schools. He had winning seasons practically every year he was there.

He took Northwestern State to two Regionals. That means he practically had to either win the regular season title or the postseason tournament to get there. That's not exactly an easy place to win. He had to compete with LSU, Tulane, La-Monroe (which had a pretty good program then), La. Tech, and La-Lafayette among others for players.

Then he goes to UF as their hitting coach with Pat McMahon (Guess who he left behind at MSU?). When he was their hitting coach, he was arguably the best hitting coach in the conference. After he left, they did go to the NC round of the CWS, but then they tailed off drastically.

After that he takes over a UK program that was arguably the worst in the SEC, in a region that has very little baseball talent per capita, at a school that only cares about basketball, he was able to take a team that had a losing record his first year and made then SEC Champions the next year. They didn't make a Regional last year, but they are certainly in line to make one this year, and are probably going to be in the mix to host a Regional depending on the last three weeks of the season and SEC Tournament for them.

As far as the money, I would do what I could to help make sure that we can get the best baseball coach possible. Of course I'm not a cigar boy, but the MSU fans need to make a financial commitment to the next coach. Polk is paid about 300,000 (little less 295,000 I believe). That means that the BC would have to raise about 250,000-300,000 dollars. Or roughly 300 people giving 100 dollars, which most of us should be able to afford. And yes, after the horseshit we've put up with, I certainly believe it's a worthwhile investment. We're not talking about trying to lure Bill Bellicheck to MSU for 50 million dollars or anything like Bama did with Saban. By the way, a subscription to GP costs about 100 bucks, and I think this would be a good way to spend that 100 bucks "differently". I know I sure like winning at baseball a hell of a lot more than knowing that Chris Garrett likes extra meat on his pizza.
 

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300 x $100 = $300,000?

In all seriousness, I agree with everything you just said. If Cohen ends up being the man I'll be extremely happy. However, we shouldn't begin and end our search with him even if he is ready to accept right now, which I don't think you're saying. This should be an interesting process as this is one time a Mississippi school can conduct a coaching search and there not be a single name that can be dismissed without some thought, Oregon State's coach included. There isn't a college baseball coach in the country whose name we could throw around for the position that is the equivalent of OM begging for Dennis Erickson.
 

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I've said it before, I'll say it again. If Raffo is so 17-ing great, then why hasn't he be hired as a head coach ANYWHERE ?

Cohen or Kinnison, they know what winning championships are about. They strive to earn them.
 

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and there are very recent developments that will come to the surface soon that will explain that.
 

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graddawg said:
300 x $100 = $300,000?

I just came in from running when I posted that. I had a lack of oxygen going to my brain. Still, it's very doable to raise that much money, especially with our baseball fanbase.

But yes, I do think that we should look at EVERY viable candidate (I don't consider Raffo a viable candidate). There was a time that I thought we should give Raffo a courtesy interview, but I have rethought that opinion as the year has gone on.

I will admit that I am partial to Cohen, just because I think he's the best overall fit for us in my opinion, but at the same time if Cohen isn't hired, I will probably be OK with whoever Byrne hires. Byrne does have a good track record at hiring baseball coaches. When I say "probably" I mean anyone other than Raffo and Steve Smith. My problem with Steve Smith is that when he was here he (and his entire staff were all here at one time) weren't all that great. I just think he's a good coach but not a great coach. He's a good fit for Baylor, but probably not the best fit for us. He just wouldn't excite me all that much.

That said Smith >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Raffo in my view.

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Spotdawg said:
and there are very recent developments that will come to the surface soon that will explain that.

</p>You know you're not going to get your premium membership revoked here for posting rumors.
 
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