. . . resulting in an illustrious season ending record of 4-8 . . . Beamer is really turning this program around.
A record of 1-6 record in the next 7 is quite realistic
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Thanks for the great insight, it's a shame no one else has mentioned this earlier
Thanks for the great insight, it's a shame no one else has mentioned this earlier
Sorry, I don't see that happening.
1) Our D is entirely too good for that to happen (Assuming we stop jumping offsides and assuming we stop with the childish penalties)
2) Our D will keep us in most of those games as a result (Hey, I'm as surprised as the rest of you with our D's fire and pretty good tackling)
3) Opposing teams, no matter how good, have "off" days too
4) "Any given Saturday" - See Vandy / Bama
5) Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while....... our Offense will eventually find its way into the endzone a few times.
So, ala my username, I see 2 more wins in there somewhere for sure + 1 complete surprise to everyone game.....possibly Bama. The thinking is Bama will be pissed and slaughter us.... I get it... I also understand Saban ain't their coach anymore and there's already grumblings about Bama's new coach down there. Talk of him not having "control" of the team like Saban did, etc.... they could just as easily fall completely apart against us.
Do I believe that will happen? No. Do I believe the Vandy loss was the "calm before the storm" down there? Very possibly. Sure. Point being, we're going to get a surprise win in there somewhere. We always do. Usually when we least expect it, ala 2 yrs ago and the absolute thumping we put on UcheaT and ran out of fireworks. It's what this team historically does. I think we get to 6 wins but I don't think it will be pretty. Defense wins a lot of games and ours is pretty darn good - if we knock off the penalties.
1) Our D is entirely too good for that to happen (Assuming we stop jumping offsides and assuming we stop with the childish penalties)
2) Our D will keep us in most of those games as a result (Hey, I'm as surprised as the rest of you with our D's fire and pretty good tackling)
3) Opposing teams, no matter how good, have "off" days too
4) "Any given Saturday" - See Vandy / Bama
5) Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while....... our Offense will eventually find its way into the endzone a few times.
So, ala my username, I see 2 more wins in there somewhere for sure + 1 complete surprise to everyone game.....possibly Bama. The thinking is Bama will be pissed and slaughter us.... I get it... I also understand Saban ain't their coach anymore and there's already grumblings about Bama's new coach down there. Talk of him not having "control" of the team like Saban did, etc.... they could just as easily fall completely apart against us.
Do I believe that will happen? No. Do I believe the Vandy loss was the "calm before the storm" down there? Very possibly. Sure. Point being, we're going to get a surprise win in there somewhere. We always do. Usually when we least expect it, ala 2 yrs ago and the absolute thumping we put on UcheaT and ran out of fireworks. It's what this team historically does. I think we get to 6 wins but I don't think it will be pretty. Defense wins a lot of games and ours is pretty darn good - if we knock off the penalties.
We didn't get a surprise win last year. Unless you want to count the UK game, which would be more of an indictment against us than anything else.
I don't know about our D. It has played well, but has had it rough moments as well. They are not the reason we have 2 losses, for sure. But against LSU, they played great to start the game but then LSU adjusted and ended up with 400+ yards and nearly 40 points. They were put in a bad spot against Ole Miss, but the 4 offsides were totally inexcusable.
Right now, Vandy is better than us, all around, so I wouldn't put too much stock in them knocking off Bama to say we can do something similar.
For your list of reasons 1-5, there are really only 2. 1 and 2 are the same (we have a good D) and 3-5 are the same (upsets happen).
In any event, our offense is just too much of a liability. We don't really have even one play maker. With our offense, I'd say 4 wins is more likely than not at this point. Our defense is definitely good enough to win us some games, but we still have to manage to score a few points here and there. We're 5 games into the season, so I think the ship has sailed on us making any major changes to find offensive production. We are what we are.
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Rocket is an excellent running back if he gets some blocking and our receivers have demonstrated YAC abilities if the OL gives our QB time to throw instead of running for his life.
Both of these seem to hinge on DECENT OL play.
Both of these seem to hinge on DECENT OL play.
Nope.
Sellers has time, he won't pull the trigger. We have yet to call 1 "streak" play for Harbor and told Sellers to "throw it deep to him no matter what." He doesn't have much time, granted, but he does have time. Sometimes you have force the D to back up. Throwing deep no matter what accomplishes that. We won't do it with one of the fastest WR's in the country. Weird.
RE: Rocket --- We often use him as a decoy when we need 3rds for a first down. We'd rather run Sellers left, right, and up the middle apparently. I cannot be the only one to see this.
Are you saying the OL is performing at a DECENT level? I think not.
Our offensive woes are directly related to poor OL play and predictable play calling.
Offensive coaching staff needs and overhaul.
Disagree. We will get thrashed this weekend. Bama will cover in the 1st half. Team will fold and punt the rest of the season. No leadership.
Keeping Teasley for recruiting purposes was moronic. What good does it do to bring in 4 stars if you cannot coach a lick. Clemson began its run when they hired Robbie Caldwell to coach the OL. They have gone down since he retired several years ago. I think they now have a good replacement.
I disagree. It's never as good as some think, it's also never as bad.
We have a 4th win in wofford. We can beat Vandy if we play well.
I still say we win 5, and there's a chance we get a team that melts down one day on top of that.
Oh, absolutely not, the OL is horrible. But Sellers does indeed have time. Just barely, but he won't throw it. 1/2 the sacks allowed are on him. Throw it away, stop taking sacks.
I think an argument could be made that the O is predictable because we have no passing game. None. Again, even when we call pass plays, he won't throw it, or overthrows the WR's, or throws picks, or scrambles and fumbles.
Not sure what your problem with me is but I re-read my post and *LITERALLY* everything I said is a statement. Not "ifs"
FWIW, I'm glad you're back from Vacation with the family and I truly hope you and yours are ok. (Hurricane Helene wise and every other kind of wise)
That is certainly a possibility. I'd say 50/50. I even said I didn't believe it myself (that we'd beat Bama and then Bama would downward spiral)
Highly unlikely we win. Believe me AC, if we totally fold the rest of the season, I will be so obnoxiously calling for Beamer to be gone you'll get tired of me saying it. I guess I just realize , no matter how bleak it looks now, sometimes teams "grow up", seemingly overnight. This is year 4 and we're 1/2 way through. (almost) - If we collapse like you say the rest of the way, the whole staff needs replaced. Even the towel boys in the showers. Your outcome is likely. I'm still in "how do we respond? mode" .... but yeah, hope is bleak right now. I'm not blind.
I screamed this (about Harbor) all last season, and we didn't do it. EVERYBODY knows the kid has elite speed. SEND IT!! Make the other team account for it numerous times! And like you say - I say 3x per game - call the play to launch it to Harbor deep whether he's wide open or not - 1 read - throw it!! If there's one thing we excel at, it's wasting talent, I swear!
Right. Maybe he wouldn't catch the ball, but the threat should at least be there. As it is right now, opposing teams don't have to account for Harbor at all.
One thing I could think of is maybe Harbor's speed isn't great at creating initial separation.
Either way, I think you're right that they need to make teams at least start thinking about it.
We have to play well AND Vandy has to play poorly for us to win, IMHO.
My first thought was, "Hmmp. That'll be a good game." Then, "Wait, what?!? Vandy-Ky a 'good game'?" When was the last time that was a thought or utterance?!?
I won't be surprised to see UK pummel Vandy Saturday. The letdown after a huge emotional win is a real thing for college teams. I think Vandy will show up flat and UK will have an easy time.
So let me get this straight, when someone else says exactly the same thing I said, you say "Right" - (Because it is right)
But when I say it, it's "only more ifs" -
So let me get this straight, when someone else says exactly the same thing I said, you say "Right" - (Because it is right)
But when I say it, it's "only more ifs" -
This is just more "ifs".
Wofford is the only for sure win on the schedule so 4 wins only is definitely in play. It was always a possibility based on our schedule. Based on our offensive talent, or lack there of, but more so, their inexperience, it was going to be hard. The team has played well, except for last week. Maybe be can beat Vandy and upset another team, but it’s a big ask of this team. I thought going into the season that we don’t have enough play makers on offense. Sure, we need to coach better on offense but will beout classed in the games coming up.
We don't ALWAYS get those surprise wins. We have had 3-9, 4-8 seasons in recent history, and an 0-11 season under Holtz. We will, most likely, play competitively through 2 - 3 quarters of all of our games and eventually fall. I LOVE USC, and have been a fan for 40 years, but we probably don't get to six wins this year.
I agree. I CANNOT understand why we don't run the Go route with Harbor. If he's an olympic track athlete, he can get 100m in 10.1 seconds, then he can get 20 yards up field in right around 2 seconds. Surely we have 2 seconds worth of protection for him to run a go route. It's another indictment on our coaches not using our players' strengths. Also, Bennett is by far our best receiver, but we have been cycling receivers out so much that we don't have anyone who has had the opportunity to stand out. Brown has shown he drops at least one big reception per game, so I think he should leave the rotation unless we're going 5 wide.
Different contexts and application.So let me get this straight, when someone else says exactly the same thing I said, you say "Right" - (Because it is right)
But when I say it, it's "only more ifs" -
The post to which I was replying was not saying this is the key to our success. Just something that we should be doing.
Your post asserted "if we can do this and if we can fix this and if we do that then we'll be fine".
Taking off and running very fast in a straight line is one thing. Leaving the line of scrimmage at the snap, dealing with a db checking you near the line and running with you and a safety coming over to cover you as well while trying to catch a ball thrown to you is an entirely different skill set.
If being blazing fast was all a receiver did, every team would recruit the fastest guys on the track team to be receivers.
All of that is true, but at the end of the day, once he's off the line, he is faster than the DB guarding him. I just meant that, on a go route, once he's off the line, he should be able to outpace most, if not all, DBs who would cover him. Even if he isn't the intended target, he could use that speed to draw a corner and safety downfield to open up a space he has vacated. I just mean we aren't really using his speed for any purpose.
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