Aaaaaand the recruiting hits (or misses) keep on coming

[18IsTheMan]

JC Shurburtt says that it is now a matter of time until we lose our current top commitment for the 2025 class, Shamari Earls. The top 100 national recruit is likely headed to UGA or Michigan. He is far and away our top recruit in the class at this point, so there would not be many ways to sugarcoat the loss.

If this comes to fruition, Beamer will be in desperate need of finding some recruiting mojo somewhere. There is not much good happening for us in recruiting right now.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Saw this coming days ago.
We are going to have to sign and develop recruits the top programs are not recruiting. Sleepers R Us.

 

[gamecock stock]

Saw this coming days ago.
We are going to have to sign and develop recruits the top programs are not recruiting. Sleepers R Us.

THAT has ALWAYS been the case. Our most successful eras in football was when we had coaches who could take players to overachieve. All the so-called recruiting machines (Bell, Woods, Scott and Muschamp) were all unmitigated failures and fired in short order. Maybe Beamer can be the exception and reverse the "recruiter extraordinaire Head Coach" curse here. We will see. People in power to hire have to get it through their thick skulls, it is not easy to recruit to South Carolina. We have a small state, sharing it with a national power, surrounded by other national powers or more attractive schools. You just can't hire every Tom, Dick, Harry or Shane to be Head Coach in football here and think you are going to succeed. It takes Head Coaches with the coaching skills of a Carlen, Morrison, Holtz or Spurrier to have reasonable success here. I'm just an old country boy. But I know how to read history. If people disagree, throw me to the wolves. I don't care. The truth can sometimes hurt.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Saw this coming days ago.
We are going to have to sign and develop recruits the top programs are not recruiting. Sleepers R Us.

Unfortunately, we have never really found success that way.

Our best success came when SOS was able to capitalize on an unprecedented streak of elite in-state talent.

 

[gamecock stock]

Unfortunately, we have never really found success that way.

Our best success came when SOS was able to capitalize on an unprecedented streak of elite in-state talent.

18, I don't disagree with you. The sad part is we cannot count on this state producing generational talent. Over his time here the average national recruiting ranking was 20th. The average conference recruiting ranking among what was then a 14-team conference was 8th, Thus we did not exactly kill it recruiting-wise under Spurrier. It may be that we just need to accept our football lot in this life and be happy to be mediocre and collect a good paycheck from the SEC.

 

[18IsTheMan]

18, I don't disagree with you. The sad part is we cannot count on this state producing generational talent. Over his time here the average national recruiting ranking was 20th. The average conference recruiting ranking among what was then a 14-team conference was 8th, Thus we did not exactly kill it recruiting-wise under Spurrier. It may be that we just need to accept our football lot in this life and be happy to be mediocre and collect a good paycheck from the SEC.

I don't think it's emphasized enough that our greatest success under SOS coincided with that historic run of in-state talent. Before that point, he was just ok here. After that run of talent, we know what happened. There were lots of other issues, but it's hard to ignore how our rise to success coincided with the rise in in-state talent.

Reality is, we have never recruited great out-of-state, so this would seem to indicate we will only ever rise above mediocrity as our state produces a lot of elite talent.

 

[gamecock stock]

I don't think it's emphasized enough that our greatest success under SOS coincided with that historic run of in-state talent. Before that point, he was just ok here. After that run of talent, we know what happened. There were lots of other issues, but it's hard to ignore how our rise to success coincided with the rise in in-state talent.

Reality is, we have never recruited great out-of-state, so this would seem to indicate we will only ever rise above mediocrity as our state produces a lot of elite talent.

18, it's not only that. But our recruiting haul of that generational talent happened before Clemson became elite.

They became elite during Muschamp's time here. Coincidently, they have not been a Top 10 team during Beamer's time here. I'm hearing talk of Clemson having one of the nation's best defenses this season. If Clemson gets back to being a Top 10 team, that will result in a lot of pressure on Beamer to produce, imho.

 

[Atlanta Cock]

Saw this coming days ago.
We are going to have to sign and develop recruits the top programs are not recruiting. Sleepers R Us.

Our coaches cannot do that.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It kind of feels like the wheels are coming off.

 

[DeBoer31]

Unfortunately, we have never really found success that way.

Our best success came when SOS was able to capitalize on an unprecedented streak of elite in-state talent.

Though the SOS part is true....we have had key sleepers/diamonds in the rough/tweeners that everyone knew early on were rock star "gets" in the recruiting game that were either very under-recruited or other teams offered but took others in front of them to fill their commit lists. Eric Norwood, Pharoah Cooper, Ryan Brewer, Sidney Rice (he was highly ranked but many thought he was too slow to stay at WR, too thin to hold up and weren't sure of his positional future), Bruce Ellington, Kenny McKinley, Travian Robertson, Brinkley twins, Tony Watkins, etc..... all these type guys weren't the prototypical size/speed combos but were some of our best players. Obviously many more....just all off the top of my head.
As a whole....our program is built on these guys' backs...and not Demetrius Summers, OJ Murdock, Ron Neely, Conner Mitch, Carlos Thomas "huge recruiting" gets of the world as we thought at those times.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Though the SOS part is true....we have had key sleepers/diamonds in the rough/tweeners that everyone knew early on were rock star "gets" in the recruiting game that were either very under-recruited or other teams offered but took others in front of them to fill their commit lists. Eric Norwood, Pharoah Cooper, Ryan Brewer, Sidney Rice (he was highly ranked but many thought he was too slow to stay at WR, too thin to hold up and weren't sure of his positional future), Bruce Ellington, Kenny McKinley, Travian Robertson, Brinkley twins, Tony Watkins, etc..... all these type guys weren't the prototypical size/speed combos but were some of our best players. Obviously many more....just all off the top of my head.
As a whole....our program is built on these guys' backs...and not Demetrius Summers, OJ Murdock, Ron Neely, Conner Mitch, Carlos Thomas "huge recruiting" gets of the world as we thought at those times.

Yeah, I just mean that we had never experienced program-wide success in terms of building a sustained winner that way. It's just hard to build an entire team that way.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Though the SOS part is true....we have had key sleepers/diamonds in the rough/tweeners that everyone knew early on were rock star "gets" in the recruiting game that were either very under-recruited or other teams offered but took others in front of them to fill their commit lists. Eric Norwood, Pharoah Cooper, Ryan Brewer, Sidney Rice (he was highly ranked but many thought he was too slow to stay at WR, too thin to hold up and weren't sure of his positional future), Bruce Ellington, Kenny McKinley, Travian Robertson, Brinkley twins, Tony Watkins, etc..... all these type guys weren't the prototypical size/speed combos but were some of our best players. Obviously many more....just all off the top of my head.
As a whole....our program is built on these guys' backs...and not Demetrius Summers, OJ Murdock, Ron Neely, Conner Mitch, Carlos Thomas "huge recruiting" gets of the world as we thought at those times.

In today's recruiting world it's one thing to find and sign these type recruits but now the hard part is holding on to them.
Once you get the commit and a little buzz is created, the buzzards swoop in and pick the meat off the bones of your class.

 

[Maccmaine12]

It’s a good thing that our best teams and better players came when Beamer was the recruiting coordinator.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It’s a good thing that our best teams and better players came when Beamer was the recruiting coordinator.

Beamer was recruiting for Spurrier then. Now he's recruiting for Beamer. Makes a bit of a difference.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

It’s a good thing that our best teams and better players came when Beamer was the recruiting coordinator.

Look at the HC he was recruiting for then. Look at the HC he's recruiting for now. Makes all the difference in the world.
Edit: I posted before reading the last post. Apologies.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Beamer was recruiting for Spurrier then. Now he's recruiting for Beamer. Makes a bit of a difference.

I hope it plays out the same way with Lee recruiting for Mainieri for the YardCocks.

 

[Maccmaine12]

Beamer was recruiting for Spurrier then. Now he's recruiting for Beamer. Makes a bit of a difference.

And did we not see a huge drop off when Beamer left? We had a top 10 roster and went from having a team that couldn’t beat an FCS school. As we can see developing and getting talent isn’t the issue right now. It’s the play calling.

 

[Mountain guy]

It’s a good thing that our best teams and better players came when Beamer was the recruiting coordinator.

Not the case now. As mentioned above, he was recruiting for a legend and now based on his own merits we are recruiting in the high teens and low to mid twenties ranking wise.

 

[Mountain guy]

And did we not see a huge drop off when Beamer left? We had a top 10 roster and went from having a team that couldn’t beat an FCS school. As we can see developing and getting talent isn’t the issue right now. It’s the play calling.

Getting and developing the talent IS a problem and guess who's to blame on for the play calling? Yep, you guessed it.