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atl-cock

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Did they show the entire championship game from 1971? 1970 as well?

They cannot deny our place in the history of the conference (no different than the SEC via a vis Sewanee, Ga Tech, and Tulane). It would also be prudent for them (and us!) to gloss over the discord that led to our exit - just state that USC left the league at the conclusion of the 1970-71 academic year (as needed). Keep it even. Recognize each (current and past) member's time in the league.

And those were my favourite uniforms.
 

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In watching the Joyce/Dedmon jumpball for the first time since I watched it live in '71, a couple of observations explain how the play was pulled off.

First, Joyce was crouched, ready to spring upward. His trailing foot was almost out of the jump circle. Dedmon was just standing upright and flat footed. He looked like he already assumed he would easily win the tip. It looked like the plan was for Dedmon to tip the ball in front of the USC bench, for that's where a UNC player ran to as the official threw the jumpball up.

But as the official threw the ball up, Joyce took a step toward Dedmon and jumped very explosively. He tipped the ball and Dedmon's hand toward the goal and Owens caught it. Nobody was inbetween Owens and the basket, since the UNC player had run in front of the USC bench. Some say Joyce fouled Dedmon on the jumpball by pushing him with his other hand....and according to the rules, Joyce was not supposed to jump unti the ball was at it's zenith...but that rule is rarely enforced.

Dedmon said he tipped the ball the wrong way, but it looked like he just got outjumped...for nobody was there for UNC where he said he tipped the ball.

Dedmon and Roche shared the Everett Case award, which was surprising after Dedmon just got outjumped by someone half a foot shorter.
 

atl-cock

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In watching the Joyce/Dedmon jumpball for the first time since I watched it live in '71, a couple of observations explain how the play was pulled off.

First, Joyce was crouched, ready to spring upward. His trailing foot was almost out of the jump circle. Dedmon was just standing upright and flat footed. He looked like he already assumed he would easily win the tip. It looked like the plan was for Dedmon to tip the ball in front of the USC bench, for that's where a UNC player ran to as the official threw the jumpball up.

But as the official threw the ball up, Joyce took a step toward Dedmon and jumped very explosively. He tipped the ball and Dedmon's hand toward the goal and Owens caught it. Nobody was inbetween Owens and the basket, since the UNC player had run in front of the USC bench. Some say Joyce fouled Dedmon on the jumpball by pushing him with his other hand....and according to the rules, Joyce was not supposed to jump unti the ball was at it's zenith...but that rule is rarely enforced.

Dedmon said he tipped the ball the wrong way, but it looked like he just got outjumped...for nobody was there for UNC where he said he tipped the ball.

Dedmon and Roche shared the Everett Case award, which was surprising after Dedmon just got outjumped by someone half a foot shorter.
Yours is the best explanation of what happened that I have ever read.

Need to bring back jump balls. Alternate possession is a farce.
 
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I always wondered how Joyce was able to out jump Dedmon. Joyce took a step and perfectly timed his jump, while Dedmon jumped from a stationary position. Joyce's hand had to have been almost 11 feet in the air. You heard Joyce say that he could jump. I heard he could dunk a basketball flat footed from underneath the basket.
 

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I always wondered how Joyce was able to out jump Dedmon. Joyce took a step and perfectly timed his jump, while Dedmon jumped from a stationary position. Joyce's hand had to have been almost 11 feet in the air. You heard Joyce say that he could jump. I heard he could dunk a basketball flat footed from underneath the basket.
Howard Garfinkel, the legendary high school scout who ran the famous “5 star camp” from the mid-1960’s up into the 2000’s said that Joyce was the first player he saw that he thought could be a legitimate high school all-american at all five positions on the court. Said he did not see another he felt that way about until Magic Johnson came along. The top-flight black players in NYC in the late 1960’s (Len Elmore, Jap Temble, Ed Searcy, etc. referred to Joyce as “
 

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Howard Garfinkel, the legendary high school scout who ran the famous “5 star camp” from the mid-1960’s up into the 2000’s said that Joyce was the first player he saw that he thought could be a legitimate high school all-american at all five positions on the court. Said he did not see another he felt that way about until Magic Johnson came along. The top-flight black players in NYC in the late 1960’s (Len Elmore, Jap Temble, Ed Searcy, etc. referred to Joyce as “ The White Tornado”!
 
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The ‘70 game was the worst loss in my life. I was a 10 grader and worshipped that team. 24-2 going in and 16-0 in the conference. McGuire made a mistake in playing John. I think he was 4-16 from the field. Up by 11, we eventually lost our lead as Norm Sloan and the Wolfpack went into a stall. E Leftwich stole the ball when John picked up his dribble and threw an I’ll-advised pass to Cremmins, who paused a second thinking the foul would be called as Leftwich streaked for the basket sinking the layup and USC’s dreams for an undefeated conference record and ACC crown. Still, it was my favorite team of all time in any sport. I want us to be relevant in b-ball again so bad. It’s a great recap narrated by Bobby. I was unfamiliar with the Mike Grasso escapade. The consequent screwing by the 3 man committee. Still, we leave the ACC after winning the football title in’69 & the ACC in ‘70 in B-Ball! SMH
 
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Did they show the entire championship game from 1971? 1970 as well?

They cannot deny our place in the history of the conference (no different than the SEC via a vis Sewanee, Ga Tech, and Tulane). It would also be prudent for them (and us!) to gloss over the discord that led to our exit - just state that USC left the league at the conclusion of the 1970-71 academic year (as needed). Keep it even. Recognize each (current and past) member's time in the league.

And those were my favourite uniforms.
It is a history of the ACC tournament, so no they would show ANY GAME in its entirety.
 
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atl-cock

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The ‘70 game was the worst loss in my life. I was a 10 grader and worshipped that team. 24-2 going in and 16-0 in the conference. McGuire made a mistake in playing John. I think he was 4-16 from the field. Up by 11, we eventually lost our lead as Norm Sloan and the Wolfpack went into a stall. E Leftwich stole the ball when John picked up his dribble and threw an I’ll-advised pass to Cremins, who paused a second thinking the foul would be called as Leftwich streaked for the basket sinking the layup and USC’s dreams for an undefeated conference record and ACC crown. Still, it was my favorite team of all time in any sport. I want us to be relevant in b-ball again so bad. It’s a great recap narrated by Bobby. I was unfamiliar with the Mike Grasso escapade. The consequent screwing by the 3 man committee. Still, we leave the ACC after winning the football title in’69 & the ACC in ‘70 in B-Ball! SMH
We were 25-2 going into the championship game. And we are relevant in basketball - different gender.
 
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