ACC westward expansion is on again

[18IsTheMan]

Talk about a roller coaster. Apparently talks are heating up again. ACC commish is looking at revenue models trying to figure out how to appease FSU and Clemson.

Obviously FSU and Clemson don't want to make any moves that could stabilize the league, so I don't know how you get around that.

Sources: ACC ramps up Cal, Stanford, SMU talks

The ACC will hold a series of meetings this week to discuss the potential additions of Stanford, California and SMU, including how additional money from the schools would be distributed among ACC members, sources told ESPN..

www.espn.com

ACC progressing toward westward expansion with Stanford, Cal, SMU potential targets, AP source says :: WRALSportsFan.com

The Atlantic Coast Conference is making progress toward an expansion that could grab Stanford and California from the sinking Pac-12, a person with direct knowledge of the ACC's potential move told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

www.wralsportsfan.com

ACC expansion: Conference renews discussions to add Stanford, California, SMU at reduced price, per reports

A group of ACC presidents met to go over revenue models that made sense for expansion

www.cbssports.com

ACC Expansion: Back On The Menu?

The westward movement may yet happen

www.dukebasketballreport.com

 

[KingWard]

More mayhem is what we need. If this comes off, it will be the most ungainly arrangement in the history of college sports, even cazier and much less profitable than what the B1G pulled off.

They're adding schools (if they do) that don't belong in the ACC in order to make it harder for some other schools to leave, or maybe to keep their membership numbers up in case they do. If they flip only one, I'd say the one will be UNC or UVa.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Anyone looking for sensible realignment moves will be looking a long time. Taking revenue out of the picture, which I know you can't do b/c realignment is only about revenue and nothing else, not one single realignment move has made sense on any other level. Texas and OU to the SEC makes zero sense. The west coast teams to the Big 10 and possibly ACC makes even less sense.

 

[Prestonyte]

Talk about a roller coaster. Apparently talks are heating up again. ACC commish is looking at revenue models trying to figure out how to appease FSU and Clemson.

Obviously FSU and Clemson don't want to make any moves that could stabilize the league, so I don't know how you get around that.

Sources: ACC ramps up Cal, Stanford, SMU talks

The ACC will hold a series of meetings this week to discuss the potential additions of Stanford, California and SMU, including how additional money from the schools would be distributed among ACC members, sources told ESPN..

www.espn.com

ACC progressing toward westward expansion with Stanford, Cal, SMU potential targets, AP source says :: WRALSportsFan.com

The Atlantic Coast Conference is making progress toward an expansion that could grab Stanford and California from the sinking Pac-12, a person with direct knowledge of the ACC's potential move told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

www.wralsportsfan.com

ACC expansion: Conference renews discussions to add Stanford, California, SMU at reduced price, per reports

A group of ACC presidents met to go over revenue models that made sense for expansion

www.cbssports.com

ACC Expansion: Back On The Menu?

The westward movement may yet happen

www.dukebasketballreport.com

Desperation moves/decisions are usually regretted.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Desperation moves/decisions are usually regretted.

It's certainly not a true love arrangement. Stanford is willing to join for free merely for the safety of being in a conference. SMU is willing to join for free merely for the privilege of finally being in a P5 conference. The ACC might be willing to take them both only because they won't cost anything.

In reality, the additions are probably not as bad as many think they are. They just aren't the sexy additions like Texas/OU or SoCal/UCLA.

 

[KingWard]

Meanwhile - one hour ago - pulled from Sports Illustrated, I believe.

Sources: ACC ‘Getting Closer’ to Adding Stanford, Cal, SMU

The league stands to earn substantial additional revenue in its media rights deal if it brings in the three schools.

www.postandcourier.com

 

[18IsTheMan]

Seems they are close to a deal that will at least temporarily satisfy all parties involved

 

[KingWard]

Seems they are close to a deal that will at least temporarily satisfy all parties involved

I would hate to lock myself into such an arrangement as this. I disdain the use of words like "desperate", but this certainly has that look about it.

 

[Deleted11512]

I would hate to lock myself into such an arrangement as this. I disdain the use of words like "desperate", but this certainly has that look about it.

I'll just say, these are not the actions of someone looking to make a move in the next year or two.

 

[USMCatFan]

It's being reported that ESPN is offering $72 million to the ACC if Cal, Stanford and SMU all join. If true, that means "The Leader in Sports" is paying $24 million/school or roughly half of what the current ACC members are being paid.

Further rumors are that Cal and Stanford will be taking "reduced shares" of even that $24 million in return for ACC membership. Supposedly, SMU is willing to forego ALL Media Rights payments for up to 7 years for membership.

Seems everyone in the ACC is pretty excited about this news. Apparently, neither Math nor Finance are strong fields of study in the ACC.

 

[Deleted11512]

It's being reported that ESPN is offering $72 million to the ACC if Cal, Stanford and SMU all join. If true, that means "The Leader in Sports" is paying $24 million/school or roughly half of what the current ACC members are being paid.

Further rumors are that Cal and Stanford will be taking "reduced shares" of even that $24 million in return for ACC membership. Supposedly, SMU is willing to forego ALL Media Rights payments for up to 7 years for membership.

Seems everyone in the ACC is pretty excited about this news. Apparently, neither Math nor Finance are strong fields of study in the ACC.

The schools anticipate having a total of $30M to distribute. How to distribute it will need to be worked out. I don’t think this is a long term play. I think it’s a stop gap for them to more easily navigate until the next round of expansion, which I think will be 2030ish.

 

[CockofEarle…]

Talk about a roller coaster. Apparently talks are heating up again. ACC commish is looking at revenue models trying to figure out how to appease FSU and Clemson.

Obviously FSU and Clemson don't want to make any moves that could stabilize the league, so I don't know how you get around that.

Sources: ACC ramps up Cal, Stanford, SMU talks

The ACC will hold a series of meetings this week to discuss the potential additions of Stanford, California and SMU, including how additional money from the schools would be distributed among ACC members, sources told ESPN..

www.espn.com

ACC progressing toward westward expansion with Stanford, Cal, SMU potential targets, AP source says :: WRALSportsFan.com

The Atlantic Coast Conference is making progress toward an expansion that could grab Stanford and California from the sinking Pac-12, a person with direct knowledge of the ACC's potential move told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

www.wralsportsfan.com

ACC expansion: Conference renews discussions to add Stanford, California, SMU at reduced price, per reports

A group of ACC presidents met to go over revenue models that made sense for expansion

www.cbssports.com

ACC Expansion: Back On The Menu?

The westward movement may yet happen

www.dukebasketballreport.com

Runnin’ around like chickens with their heads cut off

 

[KingWard]

I'll just say, these are not the actions of someone looking to make a move in the next year or two.

Well, they're not all of the same mind about that - the ACC malcontents, I mean. I don't see how this deal is going to give them the financial boost that they are looking for. The ACC will soon be chasing the Big 12 monetarily. FSU and UPC will still be striving to do better.

 

[KingWard]

It's being reported that ESPN is offering $72 million to the ACC if Cal, Stanford and SMU all join. If true, that means "The Leader in Sports" is paying $24 million/school or roughly half of what the current ACC members are being paid.

Further rumors are that Cal and Stanford will be taking "reduced shares" of even that $24 million in return for ACC membership. Supposedly, SMU is willing to forego ALL Media Rights payments for up to 7 years for membership.

Seems everyone in the ACC is pretty excited about this news. Apparently, neither Math nor Finance are strong fields of study in the ACC.

As Stymie said in one of the Our Gang comedies:, "It ain't enough; call LATER".

 

[Cocky99]

Clemson is comfortable in the ACC. Clemson is jumping at the SEC knowing the ACC is holding them back. They really don’t want none. Remember the season opener against GA several years back? Clemson couldn’t get that series off their schedule fast enough.

I imagine Clemson fans are bored there though. SEC games are so much more intense and exciting to watch.

 

[Deleted11512]

Well, they're not all of the same mind about that - the ACC malcontents, I mean. I don't see how this deal is going to give them the financial boost that they are looking for. The ACC will soon be chasing the Big 12 monetarily. FSU and UPC will still be striving to do better.

Eh, they’ll fall in line. Then they’ll make some kind of public remarks like “we’re excited about the additions and what the future holds. While there’s still work to do to close the revenue gap, this is a step in the right direction.”

the ACC’s current deal is better than the B12 deal they just signed.

 

[KingWard]

Eh, they’ll fall in line. Then they’ll make some kind of public remarks like “we’re excited about the additions and what the future holds. While there’s still work to do to close the revenue gap, this is a step in the right direction.”

the ACC’s current deal is better than the B12 deal they just signed.

But I read someplace where Central Florida is projected to pass Florida State in payout within five years. That ain't good if it eventuates in such a way.

 

[Deleted11512]

But I read someplace where Central Florida is projected to pass Florida State in payout within five years. That ain't good if it eventuates in such a way.

That’s interesting. Not sue what that could be. The B12 deal is $2.2B for 6 years. That’s about $31B per school. ACC is getting in the mid $30s.

 

[KingWard]

That’s interesting. Not sue what that could be. The B12 deal is $2.2B for 6 years. That’s about $31B per school. ACC is getting in the mid $30s.

I guess you meant 31 M per school. It might have been diminished by the schools that have joined since the deal was first made (late Oct. 2022). Not sure, either, except that some newsman said it back before the latest wave of expansion that added those four western teams.

But I am sure that this ACC expansion, if it happens, will not assuage the sentiments of FSU that they should seek greener pastures - certainly not for long. The math alone dictates it. They want SEC/B1G-level money. What the league is about to realize from this little pot of money they are going to have for awhile, once divided, comes to $2 million per existing school (not sure about ND), unless they weigh it more heavily in favor of their better achievers, which means the smaller achievers get less. It won't cut it in the long run.

 

[Forkcock]

Wishing Clemson the worst. Whatever that is, I hope it happens.

 

[Deleted11512]

Wishing Clemson the worst. Whatever that is, I hope it happens.

Now THAT is something we should all agree on!!

 

[Lurker123]

Remember the season opener against GA several years back? Clemson couldn’t get that series off their schedule fast enough.

I remember that, I think the uga defense scored the only td in the game. Yuck.

Anyway, you know they're playing next year's season opener too?

 

[Deleted11512]

I guess you meant 31 M per school. It might have been diminished by the schools that have joined since the deal was first made (late Oct. 2022). Not sure, either, except that some newsman said it back before the latest wave of expansion that added those four western teams.

But I am sure that this ACC expansion, if it happens, will not assuage the sentiments of FSU that they should seek greener pastures - certainly not for long. The math alone dictates it. They want SEC/B1G-level money. What the league is about to realize from this little pot of money they are going to have for awhile, once divided, comes to $2 million per existing school (not sure about ND), unless they weigh it more heavily in favor of their better achievers, which means the smaller achievers get less. It won't cut it in the long run.

There's a lot of talk about Apple buying ESPN. If that happens, there could be a path for the ACC, along with these additions, to have a look in on the contract. It would behoove Apple to solidify the ACC if that happens. Could be the catalyst for some sort of ACC/P12 deal? The last thing they want to do in that scenario is allow the B1G or another network to pick off what you just purchased. That would upset the apple cart.

 

[KingWard]

There's a lot of talk about Apple buying ESPN. If that happens, there could be a path for the ACC, along with these additions, to have a look in on the contract. It would behoove Apple to solidify the ACC if that happens. Could be the catalyst for some sort of ACC/P12 deal? The last thing they want to do in that scenario is allow the B1G or another network to pick off what you just purchased. That would upset the apple cart.

At this point, what you propound is just as good as what anyone else propounds.

 

[Deleted11512]

Sounds like Clemson is on board.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

That’s because projections show that with the ACC giving more money to the football powers it will put Clemson and FSU over 50 million. Bandaid for sure but certainly an increase.

 

[Prestonyte]

Sounds like Clemson is on board.

I would like to see how he is making this "deal that brings more money to the conference and adds teams that brings value" look good on paper as a long term solution.

 

[Deleted11512]

I would like to see how he is making this "deal that brings more money to the conference and adds teams that brings value" look good on paper as a long term solution.

Well, he didn't say long term.

 

[Prestonyte]

Well, he didn't say long term.

So, what they are saying is "we will rescue these orphan teams if the rescue fee they are willing to pay is substantial enough" with no long-term solution in mind.

 

[Deleted11512]

So, what they are saying is "we will rescue these orphan teams if the rescue fee they are willing to pay is substantial enough" with no long-term solution in mind.

I think they're just trying to survive long enough for either Apple to buy ESPN or when the B12 deal runs out and they'll try some sort of merger/expansion with the B12/P12. Not really much left for them to do at this point.

 

[Gradstudent]

They could keep their abbreviation ACC but change their name from Atlantic Coast Conference to ALL Coasts Conference

 

[muscleknight]

Is the money more important than an easy path to the playoffs? As long as the ACC stays together it will always have an automatic bid.

 

[Deleted11512]

Is the money more important than an easy path to the playoffs? As long as the ACC stays together it will always have an automatic bid.

I think this is an underappreciated thought. And I've wondered if there's some sort on infighting between the football office and the president's office. Make no mistake, the president wants all the cash he can get his hands on. Dabo probably doesn't care if he's 10 mill short of USC, as long as he's got his spot in the playoff every year.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Is the money more important than an easy path to the playoffs? As long as the ACC stays together it will always have an automatic bid.

That’s a what comes first the chicken or the egg question. I think their belief is all sports will be left behind fuse to funding. College football has been an arms race for 40+ years. I think their point is, what is the point of making it to the playoffs if you can’t compete when you get there. I don’t get the perspective that Clemson values that easy path as much as some on here believe. In the end it comes down to money.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

I think this is an underappreciated thought. And I've wondered if there's some sort on infighting between the football office and the president's office. Make no mistake, the president wants all the cash he can get his hands on. Dabo probably doesn't care if he's 10 mill short of USC, as long as he's got his spot in the playoff every year.

I don’t get that sentiment from the people who are inside reporters on Clemson. I have the rivals subscription that allows you to view all inside info on every team. Their insides say it’s full steam ahead to get out and seem pretty convinced it’s coming, when? Who knows. Think that’s why everyone has the belief they do except you. It’s only a matter of time before FSU and CU leave.

 

[Deleted11512]

I don’t get that sentiment from the people who are inside reporters on Clemson. I have the rivals subscription that allows you to view all inside info on every team. Their insides say it’s full steam ahead to get out and seem pretty convinced it’s coming, when? Who knows. Think that’s why everyone has the belief they do except you. It’s only a matter of time before FSU and CU leave.

Their insiders get fed things from people that need that to be the narrative to apply pressure on the ACC/ESPN. I remember in 2012 is was "Clemson to the SEC a done deal". Turns out they never got an invite.

I'm not saying they're wrong. Maybe I am, who knows. But if I am right, and the ACC remains intact, I'm going to be insufferable on this board for a few days.

 

[Prestonyte]

The west coast is not a hotbed of college football. Sure, there's the Rose Bowl and the USC-UCLA game is something (or used to be) but they are B1G now. Adding so so west coast college teams doesn't seem to have any pizazz to me so it has to be about the money (initial rescue fees) and not the future of ACC football.

 

[Rogue Cock]

I don’t get that sentiment from the people who are inside reporters on Clemson. I have the rivals subscription that allows you to view all inside info on every team. Their insides say it’s full steam ahead to get out and seem pretty convinced it’s coming, when? Who knows. Think that’s why everyone has the belief they do except you. It’s only a matter of time before FSU and CU leave.

I don't believe they will be the first. There is one school who has been very quiet and I understand wants to leave as much or more than they do.,,,,and they know where they are going.

 

[Rogue Cock]

The west coast is not a hotbed of college football. Sure, there's the Rose Bowl and the USC-UCLA game is something (or used to be) but they are B1G now. Adding so so west coast college teams doesn't seem to have any pizazz to me so it has to be about the money (initial rescue fees) and not the future of ACC football.

But they can play at an hour of the day that very few schools can....and, as a result, will have eyes watching them.

 

[Prestonyte]

But they can play at an hour of the day that very few schools can....and, as a result, will have eyes watching them.

That's a thought, but I don't watch 11pm EDT football games which are just so so games. I'd rather watch a replay of an SEC game I might have missed.