After a night of amiable MSU-UM christmas break discussions, I have come up with a few points...

[VirgilCain]

After a night of amiable MSU-UM christmas break discussions, I have come up with a few points...

I spent the entire night having drunken discussions on MSU and OM football. I mainly dealt with how OM was actually better than MSU (....WHAT?). I argued the following points to no avail.

-MSU won 5 games. 3 of those 5 are bowl teams. We played 12 games. 10 of those 12 games were against bowl worthy competition.

-OM won eight games. 5 of those 8 were against NON-BOWL WORTHY (or eligible) TEAMS. Only 6 of 12 games OM played were against bowl teams.

-MSU beat OM 41-27. Don't let me forget to mention the following: lucky as balls Hodge TD, Stallworth fumble on the 1-inch line, or the knees inside the 5-yard line to run out over 1 minute of game clock.

Disclaimer: Some of my oldest and best friends are OM fans. Hell, my highschool was damn near Ole Miss elementary, but there are some complete idiots/douchebags that I hate to admit that I know. Yeah, I understand that there are also some state fans who are just as bad in reversed positions.

 

[biguglyjoe]

After a night of amiable MSU-UM christmas break discussions, I have come up with a few points...

If they don't start their side of the conversation with "We got our *** kicked by a better team.", you're wasting your breath.</p>

 

[VirgilCain]

After a night of amiable MSU-UM christmas break discussions, I have come up with a few points...

but I expected a give-and-take discussion. It was almost like they were using the phrase "well, the ball just didn't bounce our way" for every shortcoming this past season. As if their Alabama game and the Eggbowl were borderline victories.

 

[msu4life07]

After a night of amiable MSU-UM christmas break discussions, I have come up with a few points...

If anybody had borderline outcomes this year, it's us. Ole Miss... not so much.

 

[PBRME]

After a night of amiable MSU-UM christmas break discussions, I have come up with a few points...

Disclaimer: Some of my oldest and best friends are OM fans. Hell, my highschool was damn near Ole Miss elementary, but there are some complete idiots/douchebags that I hate to admit that I know. Yeah, I understand that there are also some state fans who are just as bad in reversed positions.

I feel your pain. Growing up in OB is the same way.

 

[Tito Cheeseburger Jr]

After a night of amiable MSU-UM christmas break discussions, I have come up with a few points...

Arguing about college football is fun, but you can't make definitive judgments because the teams don't face identical competition and the season is too short. Even teams in the same division of the same conference. It's part of the charm I guess.

Edit: The PAC-10 does play a true round-robin with a 9 game conference schedule, so that's as close as you get. But you still have home-away differences and OOC schedules. Soccer does it right with a round-robin-home-and-away schedule with the champion crowned based on the year-long standings, not a tournament at the end where a superior team can be upset on a bad day.

 

[RebelBruiser]

After a night of amiable MSU-UM christmas break discussions, I have come up with a few points...

Arguing about college football is fun, but you can't make definitive judgments because the teams don't face identical competition and the season is too short. Even teams in the same division of the same conference. It's part of the charm I guess.

Edit: The PAC-10 does play a true round-robin with a 9 game conference schedule, so that's as close as you get. But you still have home-away differences and OOC schedules. Soccer does it right with a round-robin-home-and-away schedule with the champion crowned based on the year-long standings, not a tournament at the end where a superior team can be upset on a bad day.

I agree on this. Outside of Alabama and Florida at the top and Vandy at the bottom, no one else in the SEC really separated themselves from the pack on the high end or the low end this year. LSU would probably be your clear No. 3 at 9-3 (5-3) with a tough schedule, but on the field, they were nearly beaten by Arkansas, MSU, and Georgia, so they weren't really that separated from the pack.

It was quite a jumble in the SEC this year. Just to give you a few examples, which team is best out of these groups?

Group 1: Ole Miss, MSU, Arkansas
Group 2: Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia
Group 3: Ole Miss, Tennessee, South Carolina
Group 4: Kentucky, Georgia, South Carolina

You run into a lot of issues trying to figure out how to separate the teams other than Florida, Bama, and Vandy.

 

[Shining Beacon]

After a night of amiable MSU-UM christmas break discussions, I have come up with a few points...

The two teams, on the whole this past year, were probably relative equals. If MSU had played OM schedule, then MSU probably goes 7-5. If OM plays MSU schedule, then OM probably goes 6-6.

The fact of the matter is that MSU was a "good" team that played a ridiculously tough schedule. OM was a "good" team that played a relatively weak schedule.

MSU was much better the day of the Egg Bowl than was OM.

 

[jfs131]

After a night of amiable MSU-UM christmas break discussions, I have come up with a few points...

Arguing about college football is fun, but you can't make definitive judgments because the teams don't face identical competition and the season is too short. Even teams in the same division of the same conference. It's part of the charm I guess.

Edit: The PAC-10 does play a true round-robin with a 9 game conference schedule, so that's as close as you get. But you still have home-away differences and OOC schedules. Soccer does it right with a round-robin-home-and-away schedule with the champion crowned based on the year-long standings, not a tournament at the end where a superior team can be upset on a bad day.

I agree on this. Outside of Alabama and Florida at the top and Vandy at the bottom, no one else in the SEC really separated themselves from the pack on the high end or the low end this year. LSU would probably be your clear No. 3 at 9-3 (5-3) with a tough schedule, but on the field, they were nearly beaten by Arkansas, MSU, and Georgia, so they weren't really that separated from the pack.

It was quite a jumble in the SEC this year. Just to give you a few examples, which team is best out of these groups?

Group 1: Ole Miss, MSU, Arkansas
Group 2: Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia
Group 3: Ole Miss, Tennessee, South Carolina
Group 4: Kentucky, Georgia, South Carolina

You run into a lot of issues trying to figure out how to separate the teams other than Florida, Bama, and Vandy.

MSU is better out of group 1. We smashed Mississippi and against ARK we got cheated on that fumble and they were holding the whole game. I really didn't think ARK was better than us. Better QB, poor coaching by us on defense to rush three, no holding calls, and that horse **** ruling of an incompletion. I may sound like a homer but it's all true. That MSU-ARK game was hard to watch with all the BS that went on in that game.

 

[Shining Beacon]

After a night of amiable MSU-UM christmas break discussions, I have come up with a few points...

MSU is better out of group 1. We smashed Mississippi and against ARK we got cheated on that fumble and they were holding the whole game. I really didn't think ARK was better than us. Better QB, poor coaching by us on defense to rush three, no holding calls, and that horse **** ruling of an incompletion. I may sound like a homer but it's all true. That MSU-ARK game was hard to watch with all the BS that went on in that game.

Well, I really didn't think MSU was better than OM. Poor coaching by OM on defense not being able to stop the same play over and over again, no holding calls and bad interceptions by OM QB. I may sound like an OM homer, but it's all true.

You dumb *!#!. Every one of those groups included 3 teams who each had a 1-1 record versus the others. In other words, there was a tremendous amount of equality from numbers 3-11 in the SEC.