AKB: Wood Burning Fireplaces - lingering smoky smell….

Midnighter

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AKB,

I did not have a wood burning fireplace growing up but when we bought most recently our new home (it’s an older home built in late 70’s that was guttted/remodled) came with two. What is the expected care/maintenance for them? Do you have them cleaned every year? We’ve been in our home about four years and there is a strong smoky smell that lingers after we use it - I can see the smoke coming off of the wood (which we buy as treated locally). When I see videos of other fireplaces it looks like the wood is burning ‘clean’ - is our wood bad? Chimney in need of a cleaning? Both? We heat the flue and open the damper during use.

Appreciate any insights from the pros here!
 

Midnighter

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Get your flues cleaned every year. Failure to do that results in a creosote buildup in the flue and a fire hazard. Please get it done now- and before you light another fire.

Ok - done. Is that the reason for the smoky smell? We do not use it excessively.
 

Nitt1300

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And get them inspected, too. 50-year-old flues may be fine, but don't count on it.
 
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Tom McAndrew

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@Midnighter, the scenario you described is not one for which there is a simple answer. Many of the replies have dealt with aspects of it.

In terms of cleaning the flue, you should get that done now, since you're somewhat (I forget how long) new to the house. It's a safety issue. Beyond that, how frequently you get it cleaned is somewhat a factor of what type of wood you burn, how green it is (or isn't) when you burn it, and the type of fires (roaring or smoldering, large or small, etc.) you have. I'd recommend that you get it cleaned now, and then again at the start of next winter, and talk with the person that performs the task both times, to get a sense of what they find, and what they recommend. Your wife and kids live in the house, and flue cleanings aren't super expensive (relatively speaking). So while it's not always necessary to clean a flue each year, there are some good incentives for you to do so.

the smokey smell can be attributed to a number of factors. I'll try to go over some of them, but there can be others.

- as noted in some other replies, green wood will not burn as well, or as hot, as well seasoned hard wood. If you're burning that, the fire will generate more smoke (visible or not), and that can linger
- even if you use seasoned wood, that's not a cure-all for eliminating smoke. There will always be some smoke generated in any fire. You have to have a good paper/kindling startup, then some smaller sized branches, to get the fire going, and then some well seasoned wood that is also without a lot of resin, and is also well spaced appropriately to minimize smoke. To add to that, while a fire doesn't need constant adjustment, if you're trying to eliminate smoke, you do need to make small adjustments to the alignment every 10 or so minutes
- positioning of the fire is also important with regards to smoke. If you set the grate and wood toward the back of the fireplace, you will minimize the amount of smoke that may escape into the house. The flip side is that doing so reduces the amount of heat that makes it into the room, but eliminating smoke should be the higher priority
- when you get the fireplace cleaned, ask the person that performs the task if your fireplace has a smoke shelf. I'm pretty sure that would have been code in the '70s (not certain), but it would help to verify its presence. A smoke shelf helps to keep rain, cold air, and debris from the floor of your fireplace. That said, a poorly designed smoke shelf can cause more smoke to leak into your house. (In conjunction with the next point, there is some reason to have a fireplace specialist, and not a chimney cleaner check out the smoke shelf.)
- you might want to consider (assuming they are not already part of your fireplace), of having glass doors added to the fireplace. They would reduce the amount of smoke that makes it into the house. On a larger scale, they also reduce the amount of conventional heat lost through the fireplace. The downside is that if you use them while a fire is burning, you also reduce the amount of heat that makes it from the fireplace to your room

Basically, it can be complicated to resolve this issue, though also somewhat simple if one of the above actions resolves the situation. You kind of have to work through all of these things, to see if you can resolve the situation, but as also mentioned above, you may also need some professional assistance.

Keep us posted on the process/resolution.
 

PSU87

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AKB,

I did not have a wood burning fireplace growing up but when we bought most recently our new home (it’s an older home built in late 70’s that was guttted/remodled) came with two. What is the expected care/maintenance for them? Do you have them cleaned every year? We’ve been in our home about four years and there is a strong smoky smell that lingers after we use it - I can see the smoke coming off of the wood (which we buy as treated locally). When I see videos of other fireplaces it looks like the wood is burning ‘clean’ - is our wood bad? Chimney in need of a cleaning? Both? We heat the flue and open the damper during use.

Appreciate any insights from the pros here!
The flue/chimney advice you're getting here is sound and should be followed. But as far as smell...
Smoke is a very powerful, very lingering odor. There's a reason you can smell a brush fire 50 miles away.
And while 99% of it goes up the chimney, the smell is particulate, and travels in all directions.
Growing up in rural NEPA, lots of houses had woodburning stoves and fireplaces, and invariably you knew it as soon as you walked in the door.
Same with my grandmother's old coal furnace, and my aunts oil burner.
All very distinctive smells that didn't all go up their respective chimneys.
I don't think you're smelling anything abnormal.
 

Nittering Nabob

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AKB,

I did not have a wood burning fireplace growing up but when we bought most recently our new home (it’s an older home built in late 70’s that was guttted/remodled) came with two. What is the expected care/maintenance for them? Do you have them cleaned every year? We’ve been in our home about four years and there is a strong smoky smell that lingers after we use it - I can see the smoke coming off of the wood (which we buy as treated locally). When I see videos of other fireplaces it looks like the wood is burning ‘clean’ - is our wood bad? Chimney in need of a cleaning? Both? We heat the flue and open the damper during use.

Appreciate any insights from the pros here!
It’s unfortunate @demlion didn’t follow us over to the new Tom Mc board.

Instead of opining, I’ll ask a couple of questions

1) do you leave the flue damper open all night after burning a fire?

2) have you had the flue lining video inspected?
 

leinbacker

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I lived in a cottage in Scotland that had 2 fireplaces that I often used as the sole heat source. It had 2 ft stone walls but single pane windows. I sealed the windows with that 3M plastic stuff and found problems with smoke. The place was too air tight. I had to crack a window to allow air to come in. The fireplaces there used coal or peat.
 
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TiogaLion

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AKB,

I did not have a wood burning fireplace growing up but when we bought most recently our new home (it’s an older home built in late 70’s that was guttted/remodled) came with two. What is the expected care/maintenance for them? Do you have them cleaned every year? We’ve been in our home about four years and there is a strong smoky smell that lingers after we use it - I can see the smoke coming off of the wood (which we buy as treated locally). When I see videos of other fireplaces it looks like the wood is burning ‘clean’ - is our wood bad? Chimney in need of a cleaning? Both? We heat the flue and open the damper during use.

Appreciate any insights from the pros here!
Do your fireplaces each have an outside air intake? From outside the house, is there a metal door in the bricks which is hinged so you can open it? If so, there should be a metal plate that can open to about 45 degrees on the floor of your fire box. This will allow you to burn outside air, which will result in a much cleaner burn along with a few other benefits. If you don't have an outside air intake, get someone to install them. It will be expensive but well worth it.

Check the height of your chimney(s) relative to the top of your roof. If they are lower than the rooftop, get a chimney contractor out for his opinion. They will know the distances for the rooftop to the chimney vs height of chimney to rooftop height for optimal drafting.
 
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Midnighter

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AKB never fails to impress - lots of greet stuff here; going to get the cleaning ASAP and get answers to some of the questions here. I will say the wood we buy is treated though not sure of the type of wood.
 

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AKB never fails to impress - lots of greet stuff here; going to get the cleaning ASAP and get answers to some of the questions here. I will say the wood we buy is treated though not sure of the type of wood.
What do you mean by "treated"?
 
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rudedude

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All of the above are excellent recommendations. Make sure the chimney structure is sound and intact. If you don’t have a flue liner, get one installed, and periodically use a creosote cleaning tube once you get your fireplace back up and functional. I typically use Rutland Creosote removers.
 

Steve JG

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AKB,

I did not have a wood burning fireplace growing up but when we bought most recently our new home (it’s an older home built in late 70’s that was guttted/remodled) came with two. What is the expected care/maintenance for them? Do you have them cleaned every year? We’ve been in our home about four years and there is a strong smoky smell that lingers after we use it - I can see the smoke coming off of the wood (which we buy as treated locally). When I see videos of other fireplaces it looks like the wood is burning ‘clean’ - is our wood bad? Chimney in need of a cleaning? Both? We heat the flue and open the damper during use.

Appreciate any insights from the pros here!
so as not to have to pay $$$!! to have inside of chimney relined, we had wood burning stove insert with metal flue installed. Stove is amazing, efficient, safe, warms room. We get very good split, seasoned firewood delivered every year and store in garage so burns very clean. Much better than open hearth fire place which I would always advise to convert to closed fire box
 

CvilleElksCoach

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so as not to have to pay $$$!! to have inside of chimney relined, we had wood burning stove insert with metal flue installed. Stove is amazing, efficient, safe, warms room. We get very good split, seasoned firewood delivered every year and store in garage so burns very clean. Much better than open hearth fire place which I would always advise to convert to closed fire box
Not a good idea to store wood in the garage. Any insects or fungus in the wood now live in your garage.
 

Steve JG

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Not a good idea to store wood in the garage. Any insects or fungus in the wood now live in your garage.
has not been an issue. It comes seasoned, dry, clean and we keep it in one of those large heavy cardboard bins that water melons and the like are in super markets, up on a pallet. It is not fresh cut, we are not seasoning it in garage.
 

kgilbert78

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Even though we've not used our gas fireplace (installed by a previous owner in a regular fire place) in many years, we still get a smoke smell from the days when it was a wood burner, which predated our ownership--and we've had the house for 20 years.
 

Mr. Potter

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@Midnighter, the scenario you described is not one for which there is a simple answer. Many of the replies have dealt with aspects of it.

In terms of cleaning the flue, you should get that done now, since you're somewhat (I forget how long) new to the house. It's a safety issue. Beyond that, how frequently you get it cleaned is somewhat a factor of what type of wood you burn, how green it is (or isn't) when you burn it, and the type of fires (roaring or smoldering, large or small, etc.) you have. I'd recommend that you get it cleaned now, and then again at the start of next winter, and talk with the person that performs the task both times, to get a sense of what they find, and what they recommend. Your wife and kids live in the house, and flue cleanings aren't super expensive (relatively speaking). So while it's not always necessary to clean a flue each year, there are some good incentives for you to do so.

the smokey smell can be attributed to a number of factors. I'll try to go over some of them, but there can be others.

- as noted in some other replies, green wood will not burn as well, or as hot, as well seasoned hard wood. If you're burning that, the fire will generate more smoke (visible or not), and that can linger
- even if you use seasoned wood, that's not a cure-all for eliminating smoke. There will always be some smoke generated in any fire. You have to have a good paper/kindling startup, then some smaller sized branches, to get the fire going, and then some well seasoned wood that is also without a lot of resin, and is also well spaced appropriately to minimize smoke. To add to that, while a fire doesn't need constant adjustment, if you're trying to eliminate smoke, you do need to make small adjustments to the alignment every 10 or so minutes
- positioning of the fire is also important with regards to smoke. If you set the grate and wood toward the back of the fireplace, you will minimize the amount of smoke that may escape into the house. The flip side is that doing so reduces the amount of heat that makes it into the room, but eliminating smoke should be the higher priority
- when you get the fireplace cleaned, ask the person that performs the task if your fireplace has a smoke shelf. I'm pretty sure that would have been code in the '70s (not certain), but it would help to verify its presence. A smoke shelf helps to keep rain, cold air, and debris from the floor of your fireplace. That said, a poorly designed smoke shelf can cause more smoke to leak into your house. (In conjunction with the next point, there is some reason to have a fireplace specialist, and not a chimney cleaner check out the smoke shelf.)
- you might want to consider (assuming they are not already part of your fireplace), of having glass doors added to the fireplace. They would reduce the amount of smoke that makes it into the house. On a larger scale, they also reduce the amount of conventional heat lost through the fireplace. The downside is that if you use them while a fire is burning, you also reduce the amount of heat that makes it from the fireplace to your room

Basically, it can be complicated to resolve this issue, though also somewhat simple if one of the above actions resolves the situation. You kind of have to work through all of these things, to see if you can resolve the situation, but as also mentioned above, you may also need some professional assistance.

Keep us posted on the process/resolution.
WOW!
 
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