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JR

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1st tier
Jeff Malone - SEC POY
Lawrence Roberts - SEC POY, Concensus All American
Baily Howell - SEC POY, Concensus All American

2nd tier
Ray White - 3 time All SEC
Rickey Brown - 3 time All SEC
Cameron Burns - 3 time All SEC
Erik Dampier - 3 time All SEC, HM All American AP
Daryll Wilson - 3 Time All SEC,
Jamont Gordon - 2 time All SEC, one time Rivals 3rd team AA (I am listing Jamont here because I dont think there is much doubt he would be a 3 time ALL SEC but he didnt make it his Fr. year)
Mario Auston - 2 Time All SEC (I am listing Mario, because if he stayed for his Senior year he would have been all SEC) HM All American AP

3rd tier
Greg Carter
Zimmerman
Bowers
Evans
Wiley Peck
Dontae Jones (because he only played one year)

Frankly I dont see how anyone can argue with this grouping. You can argue where Jamont is in the second tier, but you cant really make a serious argument for first tier.

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JR

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1st tier
Jeff Malone - SEC POY
Lawrence Roberts - SEC POY, Concensus All American
Baily Howell - SEC POY, Concensus All American

2nd tier
Ray White - 3 time All SEC
Rickey Brown - 3 time All SEC
Cameron Burns - 3 time All SEC
Erik Dampier - 3 time All SEC, HM All American AP
Daryll Wilson - 3 Time All SEC,
Jamont Gordon - 2 time All SEC, one time Rivals 3rd team AA (I am listing Jamont here because I dont think there is much doubt he would be a 3 time ALL SEC but he didnt make it his Fr. year)
Mario Auston - 2 Time All SEC (I am listing Mario, because if he stayed for his Senior year he would have been all SEC) HM All American AP

3rd tier
Greg Carter
Zimmerman
Bowers
Evans
Wiley Peck
Dontae Jones (because he only played one year)

Frankly I dont see how anyone can argue with this grouping. You can argue where Jamont is in the second tier, but you cant really make a serious argument for first tier.

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patdog

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I might put Marcus Grant in the third tier. Otherwise, that looks good.
 
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I don't know which one of your tiers he should fall into, but he averaged over 16 points per game and was All-SEC (2nd team then 1st team) during his 2 years, and he was about all we had offensively those 2 years.
 
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Cains Major

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Ledgends of the SEC. He did a good job. Chairman of the Boards.
 
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You could make a case for Rhodes being 3rd tier...and Swat led the nation in blocks and broke the SEC record. With 2 seasons to go, he may just make it himself.

Quit trying to act like Gordon doesnt have teammates
 
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11th all time in scoring, 11th all time in rebounding, twice a 2nd team SEC player, made 1st team SEC as a senior...

thats a pretty good record right there.
 
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JR

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I guess my mind was clouded by Chucks sometimes "attitude" problems. But you are right the straight up statistics clearly put him on the list of all time greats. And he put up numbers on a team that went to the NCAA second round.

Thanks for bringing objective facts to the discussion. Should deffinetly be third tier, but it feels wierd putting him in that group with guys who were (well except for Dontae, but then he cashed out) essentially overachievers and great attitude guys. But when you are right, you are right.
 
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and getting all the facts straight. How dare you cloud all the opinons with fact.

Good information. We all know now that Gordon is the best player ever. Ever. And everyone that doesn't believe that hates him, his parents, and everyone within 9 generations of him.
 
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no way can you not name more from 59-63 teams to this group. Hell, two of those teams went 24-1.
 
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Plus, you add the Beast to the 3rd tier, and it makes sense - hard to do anything by yourself.
 
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Tier 1 is a "go-to" player, that one on one can put the ball in the bucket on just about anyone at anytime and play D and make the players around him better. Can completely change a game by being on the floor. A team leader. Shoots consistently near or above 50% no matter the opponent.

Tier 2 is a prolific college player but fits are more of a role player than a leader. Solid solid A game most nights but shows signs of weakness. Can be shut down at times by an equal player or better player.

Tier 3 is the 6th man type of guy that just gives a boost. High energy type guy that has hot games and luke warm games.
 
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Porkchop said:
Good information. We all know now that Gordon is the best player ever. Ever. And everyone that doesn't believe that hates him, his parents, and everyone within 9 generations of him.
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</p>I assume you are responding to me. Why do people always resort to exaggeration? You disagree with me so instead of discussing on the merits of your own argument you try to throw a bad light onto mine. I have never said that those that disagreed with me on this issue hates Jamont, his parent, or everyone within 9 generations of him. In fact it was you that said that me making an argument for Jamont to be considered among the best ever was "loving me some Jamont". I've never said you've hated Jamont. I've simply said that a portion of our fanbase gives him untold amounts of grief despite the fact that he has carried our team for the vast majority of his 3 years here and that same portion doesn't appreciate all he's done for us. Nowhere in there did I mention hate. If not joining in on downplaying Jamont's skills and accomplishments and refusing to agree to your assertion that he isn't a great player (you did post that) is "loving me some Jamont", well I guess I'm guilty afterall. I guess various commentators, coaches, and journalists love them some Jamont too.
 
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JR

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or else peoples emotions start getting the better of them and they accuse you of hating the player if he is not put in the category they would put him in.
I actually think the tiers define themselves.

To be tier 1 and considered for MSU greatest ever - There had to League wide agreement as demonstrated by voting that you were the best player in the SEC. Consensus All American doesnt hurt either.

To be Tier 2 - 3 Years on the All SEC list - Again demonstrates by objective voters that you were very good for 3 years.which is the majority of your time at MSU.

Tier 3 - ALL SEC list for 2 years or in Dontae's case a first round NBA draft choice regardless of how long you were here.

See that takes all the subjectivity out of it. I dont think my tier 3 is all inclusive, I just got tired of doing research. I dont know what to do with JUCO guys who were only here for 2 years and were All SEC every year. I could be persuaded that they should be in tier 2. But to be honest I was a little afraid to put too many people in tier 2 with the fanatical Jamoney supporters that pretty much dominate this board. If I had put many more in tier 2, I assumed the board would go to total meltdown. So I was a coward and left it at 3 years ALL SEC, which in my opinion is something that isnt really arguable for tier 2.
 
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Temple of the Dawg

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is very reasonable and fair. You have set very reasonable & objective standards. I have a question and then a statement/idea.</p>

1. Question: Tier 1 & Tier 2 seem to be pretty close. To make Tier 1, does the player have to be SEC POTY? Is that the tipping point between 1 & 2?
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I dont know what to do with JUCO guys who were only here for 2 years and were All SEC every year. I could be persuaded that they should be in tier 2.
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2. I think you can handle this on a case by case basis. If the player led the team in scoring or rebounds or some other crucial category, then you could make the case for them being tier 2. Or, another possibility is if they were a unanimous selection to the all SEC 1st team both seasons. Since they did only have 2 seasons, I think their accomplishments/awards have to be a bit more notable to overcome their brief stint on the team.

Just some thoughts & ideas.
 
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Take a guy like Timmy Bowers. He never made an All-America team or 3 All-SEC teams but honestly if we had to win a game tomorrow and it was on the road or at a neutral site, I would want Tim Bowers on my team WAY before I would want Jamont. But that's just me. Some guys are just winners and come through when they have to. That doesn't always show up on the All-SEC team (even though he did make it his senior year).
 
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