All time starting 5 in hoops since 1990. (1st, 2nd, 3rd) teams)

DesotoCountyDawg

Well-known member
Nov 16, 2005
23,723
12,454
113
People forget that Jones didn't live up to the hype until very late in the season and into post season. He averaged around 13-14ppg. If you're going on pure talent alone, then maybe you can make the argument of 1st team but if you're going by actual on court performance then we've had better players. In all honesty, he under performed much of the year and was in the dog house of Richard Williams. Just depended on if you got good Dontae or bad Dontae.
He was on a heater to end the season.
 

bulldoghair

Well-known member
Jul 9, 2013
1,192
729
108
No Big Country?
Mine would be the starting 5 of the 96 final four team, except I would trade out Bullard, and instead my point guard would be Jamont Gordon. My team would win the national championship, and also would beat anyone else’s team in this thread.
 

OG Goat Holder

Well-known member
Sep 30, 2022
9,182
8,563
113
Mine would be the starting 5 of the 96 final four team, except I would trade out Bullard, and instead my point guard would be Jamont Gordon. My team would win the national championship, and also would beat anyone else’s team in this thread.
Man I still wish we'd had T.J. Honore one more season. While he may not be on the best all-time list, he was a hell of a PG and what that team needed.

I think we all agree that Wilson, Jones, Roberts and Dampier are the top 4. The 5th is the hardest, if creating a team. I might actually go Hubbard here, because shooting is so important.
 

patdog

Well-known member
May 28, 2007
50,267
15,099
113
Man I still wish we'd had T.J. Honore one more season. While he may not be on the best all-time list, he was a hell of a PG and what that team needed.

I think we all agree that Wilson, Jones, Roberts and Dampier are the top 4. The 5th is the hardest, if creating a team. I might actually go Hubbard here, because shooting is so important.
We might have won a national championship if Honore had one more year of eligibility. Bullard gets a bit of a bad rap for the Syracuse game. He was never a true point guard to begin with and the Syracuse defense was like nothing he'd ever seen before (they confused most teams they played). He had 8 assists and shot 3-7 from 3-point line. Yes, he had 9 turnovers, but the rest of the team had 12 more. And Dontae Jones had a terrible shooting night and we got 0 points from our bench. It was just a bad game all around.
 

Darryl Steight

Well-known member
Sep 30, 2022
2,150
3,389
113
Mine would be the starting 5 of the 96 final four team, except I would trade out Bullard, and instead my point guard would be Jamont Gordon. My team would win the national championship, and also would beat anyone else’s team in this thread.
Imagine that team but subbing in Matthews, Roberts, or maybe even Charles Rhodes for Big Country. You've got to have someone willing to get dirty and rebound. Walters did that part, but he wasn't much of a scoring threat.
 

L4Dawg

Well-known member
Oct 27, 2016
7,445
4,558
113
Mine would be the starting 5 of the 96 final four team, except I would trade out Bullard, and instead my point guard would be Jamont Gordon. My team would win the national championship, and also would beat anyone else’s team in this thread.
I'd put Chuckie Evans at PG and Lawrence Roberts at PF, and beat your team by 30.
 

johnson86-1

Well-known member
Aug 22, 2012
12,702
3,002
113
People forget that Jones didn't live up to the hype until very late in the season and into post season. He averaged around 13-14ppg. If you're going on pure talent alone, then maybe you can make the argument of 1st team but if you're going by actual on court performance then we've had better players. In all honesty, he under performed much of the year and was in the dog house of Richard Williams. Just depended on if you got good Dontae or bad Dontae.
It wasn't good Dontae or bad Dontae. Dontae went from playing JUCO ball where he was on a different planet athletically than everybody he played except for one or two people across the course of the season, to playing SEC ball where he was more athletic, but most everybody on the court at least belonged there with him and there would often be at least one wing/forward that had NBA athleticism.

As often happens, he had an adjustment period and figured it out at the end of the season. Definitely had a hot streak in there, but it wasn't just he had a hot streak at the right time. He just got adjusted and was a much better player at the end of the season compared to the beginning.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Puppychow

OG Goat Holder

Well-known member
Sep 30, 2022
9,182
8,563
113
It wasn't good Dontae or bad Dontae. Dontae went from playing JUCO ball where he was on a different planet athletically than everybody he played except for one or two people across the course of the season, to playing SEC ball where he was more athletic, but most everybody on the court at least belonged there with him and there would often be at least one wing/forward that had NBA athleticism.

As often happens, he had an adjustment period and figured it out at the end of the season. Definitely had a hot streak in there, but it wasn't just he had a hot streak at the right time. He just got adjusted and was a much better player at the end of the season compared to the beginning.
100%, happens with most JUCOs, you just don't see as many in basketball. His run at the end was the best an MSU basketball player has ever played. Happened with Branden Vincent too, didn't play much in 2003, full-time starter and big contributor in 2004.

We have some strange (maybe just total dubmass) takes on here sometimes. There was no good or bad Dontae, it was just good, then a slow crawl up to elite, throughout the season. Every player has fluctuating games but there's generally a trend, like the stock market. His was up.
 

aTotal360

Well-known member
Nov 12, 2009
19,631
9,289
113
Speaking of...

Does anyone have the screencap of the Big Feces sign?
 

HotMop

Well-known member
May 8, 2006
5,370
2,429
113
100%, happens with most JUCOs, you just don't see as many in basketball. His run at the end was the best an MSU basketball player has ever played. Happened with Branden Vincent too, didn't play much in 2003, full-time starter and big contributor in 2004.

We have some strange (maybe just total dubmass) takes on here sometimes. There was no good or bad Dontae, it was just good, then a slow crawl up to elite, throughout the season. Every player has fluctuating games but there's generally a trend, like the stock market. His was up.
I thought Dontae's best run was getting 30+ hours in one semester at JUCO.
 
  • Like
Reactions: dorndawg

bulldoghair

Well-known member
Jul 9, 2013
1,192
729
108
We might have won a national championship if Honore had one more year of eligibility. Bullard gets a bit of a bad rap for the Syracuse game. He was never a true point guard to begin with and the Syracuse defense was like nothing he'd ever seen before (they confused most teams they played). He had 8 assists and shot 3-7 from 3-point line. Yes, he had 9 turnovers, but the rest of the team had 12 more. And Dontae Jones had a terrible shooting night and we got 0 points from our bench. It was just a bad game all around.
Bullard threw that game. He was gotten to by someone for who knows how much. Ask any of the guys on that team.
The game is on YouTube, go back and rewatch the first half with that in mind. Clear as day.
 

bulldoghair

Well-known member
Jul 9, 2013
1,192
729
108
Imagine that team but subbing in Matthews, Roberts, or maybe even Charles Rhodes for Big Country. You've got to have someone willing to get dirty and rebound. Walters did that part, but he wasn't much of a scoring threat.
But the thing is, Walters could score. With that particular team, Walters accepted his role and was perfect for that team, with screens, passing, rebounding, defensively, and everything else. If you put a score first guy there the chemistry doesn’t work as good at all.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Darryl Steight

johnson86-1

Well-known member
Aug 22, 2012
12,702
3,002
113
I thought Dontae's best run was getting 30+ hours in one semester at JUCO.
Could be wrong about this, but I think the funky thing about Dontae's transcript was that he got 27 hours of summer school credits to get eligible, presumably 12 in person and another 15 correspondence. I think they changed the number of credits you could get from correspondence courses after Dontae, which I think de facto changed the number of hours you could make up in a summer. They may have capped summer course credits also.

ETA:
This says 36 hours with 22 coming from USM.
 
Get unlimited access today.

Pick the right plan for you.

Already a member? Login