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What the hell just happened here ? Javier to the Yanks for Melky a prospect and a guy named Mike Dunn.......Please explain to me Wren and genius ways please.....I don't get it ..... alright
 

dickiedawg

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The thing is, Vazquez was expendable. We wanted to get a lot for him, but apparently no team really bit hard. It's a ****** trade, but if we can upgrade the offense, it will turn out.
 

mstatefan88

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I would have thought Vazquez and Boone Logan would have commanded more than Melky and a few prospects. Obviously, we needed an outfielder, and with a surplus of pitchers, we had to take what we could get. I think Melky will put up better numbers than he did with the Yankees. If Chipper can stay healthy, and McCann does his usual, Melky will do well. We need 15 to 20 HR and 75 to 80 RBI from him. He will probably hit in the 5 hole. Apparently, Mike Dunn, the lefty the Braves got, has a chance to be in the bullpen next year. Overall, not what I would have liked, but Wren did address the need for another outfielder. I'm hoping this was an attempt to save money and try and resign Laroche.
 

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Hell Javy was our best pitcher last year. Plus he could hit. His BA was probaly as good as MC. I'd rather have seen J Dye back. I hope those prospects are worth something. We needed a power hitter, now we have nothing to bargain with.
 

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They sold high on a guy who more or less had a fluke season. they got a pretty good relief pitcher and a very highly regarded pitching prospect.

This trade wasn't so much the answer for the Braves this offseason, it is just the trade that will get the ball rolling.
 

boomboommsu

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They spent the last two months trying to move Lowe, and no one bit. Once they moved to plan B, trading Vazquez, most of the other teams wanting a high-dollar starter had already made their move, and JV's no-trade clause to the west coast even further limited their options. they could have waited it out and gotten more.......but they obviously didn't want to commit money to a hitter without first moving a pitcher, and didn't want to wait to get that ball rolling lest they wait too long and get stuck without a hitter like they did last year.

I'll grade this trade (which looks terrible right now) based on what plays out next. McLouth, Schafer, and Cabrera are all basically the same guy in three different stages of the same career. Diaz is the same hitter with worse defense, and they've already signed him for next year. They want to wait until at least June to call up Heyward, and Schafer is iffy to start the year in the majors. Cabrera is basically a guy that can be a starter, but will be very easy to trade come July is Schafer and/or Heyward are ready. Absent another move, look for them to play MC and NM every day, and platoon Schafer and Diaz, to start the year. Heyward up in June added to the mix. If either Schafer of Heyward lives up to the hype, someone else will be traded, probably for a bullpen arm as Moylan's arm is an explosion waiting to happen after how much Cox overused him last year.

Not offering arb to LaRoche is boneheaded. They want a bridge to Freeman, so why not one year for LaRoche, with a free draft pick if he declines?

But all that said, JV has a career-long history of alternating between good and bad years. And Boone Logan blew. I don't mind trading them, but basically they got two high prospects (the same they'd get if he declined arb and left after this year) and a low-power OF (that they already have several of)?

They had a tough choice to make. IMO i've thought 2010 was their year for at least a couple years, but they look to be setting up for several years and not going for it all next year. The safe bet over the high risk-high reward bet.
 

HighPointDawg

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it is horrible and their is no way around it. Save $9 Million in salary but Vaz was a huge deal, he LOVED ATL and he had already made the comment that he wanted to work out longer term deal with ATL to stay (at a discount). The direct flight 4 hour to San Juan was very important to him and he prefers the NL.

Wren should be fired for the Lowe contract... He has completely handicapped the team with it and there is no way he will be traded. It was obvious that due to performance and cost that Jurrjens and Hanson were staying. Tim Hudson is a guy that they would like to keep as well so he was staying. Kawakami can't be dealt because of the Braves attempt at gaining the Japanese market (which is ok except that we don't need Kawakami)...

Did Vazquez overachieve in 2009? sure he did but skills back up a lot of his stats (like the improved SICK) curveball. Vaz had more swings and misses on balls out of the strike zone than any pitcher in the last 15 years. That isn't luck.. that is a sick pitch.
 

fieldman

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If it was Vasquez for Melky straight up, like everyone seems to think it is, then yes, it would be a bad trade.

But the Braves got a future stud starting pitcher. I think a top prospect for a 1 year rental is a fair trade. A really good utility outfielder is just icing on the cake.
 

HighPointDawg

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to go all out. you don't sign Billy Wagner and then in your next trade start talking "future".

Bobby needs to go out with a playoff birth... Trading Vazquez was stupid without getting back 30 HRs
 

boomboommsu

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....if JV is offered arb (which is a no-brainer, since he already is making top $ and wouldn't get much of a raise) and leaves elsewhere, then the Braves get two top prospects. now, it's the Yanks who are in that position come next year.

taking that into account, then yes, they traded JV or MC straight up.

it's not a bad trade today, it's his value today, but two months ago they could have gotten much more, but they were trying to deal Lowe instead. Braves management misread the market.