for us. We seemed to have so much momentum coming off the Egg Bowl win and then as quickly as that momentum came it seemed to vanish as the "Meyer to step down" story came out and speculation started up about Mullen as a possible replacement. Hard to say for sure the exact effect that had with the Newton decision or not yet naming a DC but it just seems like since the unsettled Florida coaching situation came about that nothing much seems to be going in a positive direction for us.
Amazing how quickly the pendulum swings...
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for us. We seemed to have so much momentum coming off the Egg Bowl win and then as quickly as that momentum came it seemed to vanish as the "Meyer to step down" story came out and speculation started up about Mullen as a possible replacement. Hard to say for sure the exact effect that had with the Newton decision or not yet naming a DC but it just seems like since the unsettled Florida coaching situation came about that nothing much seems to be going in a positive direction for us.
I agree with you. Meyer story, followed by Mullen as the possible replacement, followed by Newton to Auburn.....followed by the Rebels winning the Cotton Bowl, a game they had no business winning.
Followed by the realization that this years recruiting class might not turn out to be exactly what we were hoping for and not knowing for sure how all these events might have contributed to it.
But, I still think were in better shape going into this coming year than we were last year....and recruiting isn't over yet.
Followed by the realization that this years recruiting class might not turn out to be exactly what we were hoping for and not knowing for sure how all these events might have contributed to it.
But, I still think were in better shape going into this coming year than we were last year....and recruiting isn't over yet.
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Curly Bill
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Nobody remembers that we have a 12-2 basketball team. Or how promising baseball looks. Or that we just beat the **** out of the Cotton Bowl winners, New Orleans Bowl winners, and Music City bowl losers. Or that our football team is filled with young talent that will probably go to bowl games regardless if Mullen or Hudspeth or anybody else besides Croom is coaching them.
We lose one recruit, and all the sheep damn near jump off the cliff. It's not even related to an official game that can be won or lost. Cameron Newton was nobody until a few months ago, when he started putting up Shayfuh-esque numbers in JUCO. I'll stop short of calling him the "program changer" everybody thinks he would have been and just say he's a solid QB recruit. Funny how Favre doesn't get that love, putting up the same type stats.
We lose one recruit, and all the sheep damn near jump off the cliff. It's not even related to an official game that can be won or lost. Cameron Newton was nobody until a few months ago, when he started putting up Shayfuh-esque numbers in JUCO. I'll stop short of calling him the "program changer" everybody thinks he would have been and just say he's a solid QB recruit. Funny how Favre doesn't get that love, putting up the same type stats.
This isn't what you were saying about Newton leading up to his commitment. And Favre certainly wasn't someone that everyone here wanted before his commitment. I understand the disappointment about Newton and being content with Favre, but don't put them in the same category and suggest your fans should be happy with the trade off.Curly Bill said:
The Egg Bowl is a big deal for all of us as fans. I'm still pisssed. However, it just isn't as big of a deal as some make it out for recruits. You guys are recruiting almost exclusively in MS. Most of these MS hese prospects don't grow up following one particular MS school for the most part. It's just another game for them. And by the time the Egg Bowl rolls around, most prospects that have waited that long will continue to wait and take their visits.
Dammitt Boy, that was real close to being a positive statement....is that allowed??Curly Bill said:
football. And recruiting and getting a good DC in particular. Never really felt that what's going on in basketball or baseball affects football or vice versa. I do think its logical though that when your HC is being talked about in the media as potentially a strong candidate for another job that may or may not be opening that it definitely puts a damper on things.
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Not quite the way I'd put it. Call it winning a game where we played sloppy, but Oklahoma State is the team that had no business winning. They only had 9 first downs, 259 yards of offense and about 9 minutes less time of possession. It was clear who the better team was. We were just sloppy enough to keep them around until they decided to equal our sloppiness and let us put it away.
Other than that, I agree that the idea of momentum is fabricated by the internet to an extent, and it's also why you're only as good as your most recent game, at least to the internet fanbase. If you win your last one, or even better, finish on a short winning streak, the fanbase spends the off-season with a good taste in its mouth. If you lose your last one or finish on a losing streak, it's the opposite, yet none of that has any bearing on how you'll perform the next year, or even the next game, if you're midseason.
Examples: Following the loss to Auburn, a lot on here were saying you wouldn't win another game. You played well against Florida and then beat UK, and many were calling for an upset of Bama and a possible bowl game. Lose to Bama badly, and people are calling for two blow outs to close the season. Win the Egg Bowl, and some mention competing for major bowls and being in the mix in the West next year. Point being, it's never as bad or as good as it seems.
The same can be said for our fans. Lose to South Carolina and Bama and our internet fans are hoping for a Liberty Bowl at best. Beat Arkansas handily, and we're back on track to 10-2 and still in the mix for the West with some help. Lose to Auburn, and we're looking at 6-6 and no bowl. Beat UT and LSU, all is right again. Lose to MSU, and our team is an embarassment. Win the Cotton Bowl, and it's a good season again. Reality is almost always somewhere in the middle.
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Curly Bill
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You don't have to defend her honor. People are going to think what they want to about your school and there's nothing you can do about it. Give it a rest, quit taking every piece of bait thrown out there. Oklahoma State had like 48 dumb turnovers, you can make a case either way.
Just out of curiosity, I went and looked at Bama's commit list for 2010. Out of 24 so far, 15 are out of state (including the Bolton kid they placed at EMCC who is not expected to qualify academically). They are expected to sign 27 or 28 at most. Of the last 4 or 5 they will get, only CJ Mosley is in state. So their class will be > 60% out of state. That was very surprising to me. I fully expected the class to be a majority from Alabama.
I agree with Mullen's priority in signing Mississippi guys. And you have to start somewhere. But we have to go out of state or we're f'd.
I agree with Mullen's priority in signing Mississippi guys. And you have to start somewhere. But we have to go out of state or we're f'd.
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Is that something the rebel posters manufactured? Or because Mullen said he wanted to concentrate on Mississippi?
Seems to me like we're doing it the right way. Racking up Mississippi first and foremost then if we need more go get them. Look at QB recruiting. We've got Rajion Neal and looking at many others in Georgia, we've been in Florida a good bit, have some commitments from Alabama - I mean, what else is there to do?
Seems to me like we're doing it the right way. Racking up Mississippi first and foremost then if we need more go get them. Look at QB recruiting. We've got Rajion Neal and looking at many others in Georgia, we've been in Florida a good bit, have some commitments from Alabama - I mean, what else is there to do?
out of state OLs we're on (because in state OLs are generally teh suck)? We signed 2 OLs last year. We have one committed and he's dropped like a f'n boulder since September. Three OLs in 2 classes? I don't care how many redshirts/underclassmen you've got banked, in this league you better be signing more than 2 in a class every f'n year. There's one area of improvement.
...that recruiting is mostly impacted by the season before the recruit's senior year. That really seems to be bearing out. We put together a good class last year. Admittedly, Croom did a lot of leg work in getting some guys early, and Mullen was able to hang on to them. However, this was in the midst of getting creamed 45-0 and seeing a coaching change. Recruiting should've really fallen off. However, these guys were juniors when we went 8-4 and to the Liberty Bowl. This is probably the last time that they really had open minds about the process before making they started getting assaulted with calls and visits.
Similarly, our football program is in much better shape this year than last year, but our recruiting is not so hot right now.
By the same token, Ole Miss is beginning to reap the benefits of last year's Cotton Bowl. This is why it's important to win consistently.
Of course, Mullen could just suck at recruiting. I'll throw that out there. It's too early to judge. He did a good job last year, but he had a lot of it set up for him. He was able to add Bumphis, Perkins, and Heavens, plus get Russell to stay on board.
Similarly, our football program is in much better shape this year than last year, but our recruiting is not so hot right now.
By the same token, Ole Miss is beginning to reap the benefits of last year's Cotton Bowl. This is why it's important to win consistently.
Of course, Mullen could just suck at recruiting. I'll throw that out there. It's too early to judge. He did a good job last year, but he had a lot of it set up for him. He was able to add Bumphis, Perkins, and Heavens, plus get Russell to stay on board.
I used a poor choice of words when I said "almost exclusively." I should have said he has "focused on MS mostly."Curly Bill said:
To say he hasn't is pure denial. Everyone here knows that he has focused mostly on instate players.
You have 18 commitments. Considering that you've backed off Chisolm, that leaves 13 from MS, 1 from TN, 2 from AL, and 1 from GA.
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Curly Bill
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Keep in mind that Alabama produces a little bit more talent than Mississippi in total numbers. I think with Alabama though, what you're seeing is simply the fact that they can recruit top talent out of state that's better than some of their in-state talent.
It's similar in some way to Calipari ignoring the city of Memphis while in Memphis. He could've signed very good talent like Reggie Buckner or Terrico White that fell to us out of his back yard, but instead he went for guys like Tyreke Evans, John Wall, and Demarcus Cousins. Can't really blame him either.
I think that's what you're seeing with Saban. He could probably sign 15-20 players from Alabama if he wanted to, but he's probably going out of state because he's getting better talent there.
It's similar in some way to Calipari ignoring the city of Memphis while in Memphis. He could've signed very good talent like Reggie Buckner or Terrico White that fell to us out of his back yard, but instead he went for guys like Tyreke Evans, John Wall, and Demarcus Cousins. Can't really blame him either.
I think that's what you're seeing with Saban. He could probably sign 15-20 players from Alabama if he wanted to, but he's probably going out of state because he's getting better talent there.
Bruiser,
Ole Miss is are #1 rival, as such there are not a whole lot of State fans that wish you well. We like it when you lose and it would have been good news for us if the Okies would have beat you.....and if they would have played just an average game vice a piss poor one the outcome would have been different.
Like a friend of mine, who just happens to be an Ole miss alum says, "I hate State, I don't want them to have any success, at anything.....no day, no way......I get pissed when they win the friggen coin toss". I'm OK with that, probably why we are freinds, no guessing as to where he stands.
I tend to feel the same way about Ole Miss and it would have made me feel better if Oklahoma State would have beat you!!......and as a State fan, I'm not at all unigue.
After all, we were talking about a string of events that have not exactly been advantageous to our cause.
Ole Miss is are #1 rival, as such there are not a whole lot of State fans that wish you well. We like it when you lose and it would have been good news for us if the Okies would have beat you.....and if they would have played just an average game vice a piss poor one the outcome would have been different.
Like a friend of mine, who just happens to be an Ole miss alum says, "I hate State, I don't want them to have any success, at anything.....no day, no way......I get pissed when they win the friggen coin toss". I'm OK with that, probably why we are freinds, no guessing as to where he stands.
I tend to feel the same way about Ole Miss and it would have made me feel better if Oklahoma State would have beat you!!......and as a State fan, I'm not at all unigue.
After all, we were talking about a string of events that have not exactly been advantageous to our cause.
Neither team had any business winning that game. I'm assuming that's why state fans are pissed about it. Ole Miss turns out a pretty mediocre team but thanks in part to Boone's incompetence preventing a decent OOC opponent being scheduled (I'm assuming based on everything else that Boone is as stupid as LT and would have tried to schedule a good OOC game), as well as a pretty favorable SEC schedule, and a fluky year in the SEC where there aren't any really good teams outside of the top 2, Ole Miss goes 8-4 and gets a cotton bowl invite. Then, instead of getting embarassed in the Cotton Bowl (which either of last year's participants would have been able to do easily), UM gets matched up against an Ok State team that apparently doesn't believe in scouting bowl opponents, is apparently as mediocre as UM (admittedly just looking at one game), and is equally sloppy with the ball. UM also benefitted from refs that failed to notice Powe starting a play on the wrong side of the ball. I'd have to go back and look, but I'd think that took a much flukier run of luck than MSU's West title in 1998.RebelBruiser said:
I don't care about UM winning the Cotton Bowl (it does kind of suck that the system has been set up to reward ****** schedules; at least State will get to take advantage of that soon), but State needs something to fall their way for recruiting and having UM exposed would have been a small something.
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Curly Bill
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Some JUCO guys they recruited for need? Martin and Bennett, who were going there from the start?
We've got 3 top MS guys committed for next year already - I didn't see a bowl game for us. I think the whole "year after this one" for recruiting is a convenient excuse for recruitniks. Yeah it works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. Hardly a sure thing. These recruits do however want to see proof of things to come. I think you'd have seen our 2009 class fall completely apart if Croom had not been fired.
We've got 3 top MS guys committed for next year already - I didn't see a bowl game for us. I think the whole "year after this one" for recruiting is a convenient excuse for recruitniks. Yeah it works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. Hardly a sure thing. These recruits do however want to see proof of things to come. I think you'd have seen our 2009 class fall completely apart if Croom had not been fired.
in Rebel history (obvious hyperbole)....you've peaked under Nutt already. Yes, I'd be glad for MSU to be 8-4 every year. Seriously, the Rebs should have been playing Va Tech, that would have been a better match up. (Edited: I corrected it for Bruiser. I forgot the loss to WF and had assumed it was an SEC loss so Rebs were 5-3 in 08.)
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If Arkansas had peaked under Nutt in his first two years, I'd buy that argument, but they didn't. And we were 5-3 last year, 4-4 this year. Just a minor correction.
Playing Va. Tech would've sucked. They are a really good football team, and it's amazing they didn't end up in the ACC title game. Va. Tech would've beaten any SEC team outside of Bama or Florida in a bowl game scenario.
My point was, both teams played equally sloppy in our bowl game at least offensively. We were just the better team. Had both teams played clean, we win. Both teams play sloppy, we win. We play sloppy and OSU plays clean, they possibly win. And yes, Oklahoma State was not a great team by the end of the year, which is the reason we were able to play so sloppy offensively and still win.
And my other point was that people tend to overreact to both the positive and negative. You lost one big recruit, and you're still searching for a DC, but I don't see that as a lot of negative momentum.
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maybe putting some points on the board. It's not like OSU's offense was playing lights out.
However, that play was a wash from the beginning because OSU broke the huddle with 12 players and that was not called.
Maybe that is no longer a penalty but it was very clear that a player who had been in the huddle ran off the field less than a second before the snap.
However, that play was a wash from the beginning because OSU broke the huddle with 12 players and that was not called.
Maybe that is no longer a penalty but it was very clear that a player who had been in the huddle ran off the field less than a second before the snap.
....Sanders and Thompson are still out there. If they both end up at Ole Miss, and even you would have to admit that Sanders appears to be an Ole Miss lean as of right now, then we'll end up with a class in the mid 40's and they'll be in the top 25.
Even though we're 5-7, the program is generating positive energy and optimism. That's likely one of the reasons why we've got 3 juniors committed. And by the way, having 3 juniors committed really shouldn't even count as far as I'm concerned. Way too much can and will happen.
Even though we're 5-7, the program is generating positive energy and optimism. That's likely one of the reasons why we've got 3 juniors committed. And by the way, having 3 juniors committed really shouldn't even count as far as I'm concerned. Way too much can and will happen.
Yep, Powe was in the neutral zone on that play, though I'll say the odds were against OSU getting in the endzone on that possession anyway. Their offense wasn't exactly moving the football very well all day.
We controlled that game most of the day. It was our early miscues that kept that game from getting out of hand on the scoreboard, and it was their late miscues that finished off the win for us.
We controlled that game most of the day. It was our early miscues that kept that game from getting out of hand on the scoreboard, and it was their late miscues that finished off the win for us.
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