America's future
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he's funny....he usually tells them they got the answer right
I dont doubt alot of these people dont know most answers BUT I work with teenagers and have for 25 years. There are alot of times that they will SAY they dont know or give a wrong answer because they think looking dumb is cool or it gets others laughing. They feel any attention is better than none so why not look dumb to get it. I have had kids do that alot of that stuff, that are incredibly smart but just act like they dont know for really ridiculous reasons.
I truly believe at all our education system is broken and has been for a while. I dont fully blame teachers but blame all that force teachers to teach a bunch of crap (common core ring a bell?). What we are doing with education in America is throwing us way further behind other countries and we refuse to accept that its not working.
I truly believe at all our education system is broken and has been for a while. I dont fully blame teachers but blame all that force teachers to teach a bunch of crap (common core ring a bell?). What we are doing with education in America is throwing us way further behind other countries and we refuse to accept that its not working.
I believe it's real, just give some of them cash when paying for something and watch their face when they try to give you money back.
Regardless if they intentionally get it wrong to be cool, that's a pretty telling sign. Rather be cool than show intelligence. I was a teenager once and would never have done this.
I agree 100% but it still shows what is wrong with our country and our young people. They are totally lost as to knowing how to be real and not be something they are not just for the sake of getting attention. It is very sad. Just the other day I asked a simple question about plymouth rock and pilgrims and one of the high schoolers asked what was plymouth rock and what were pilgrims. Their Mom was there and could only put their head in their hands. Was she truly lost or pretending? Who knows but if truly lost then our schools are failing at alarming rate.
yeah, that's pretty sad. I truly hope I can limit my children's (2.5 & 1 mo.) social media time in the future that contributes to a lot of this. I guess I don't see what you are talking about as much because of the algorithms that show on my feeds (and the fact that I maybe have an hour of social media aside from GC Insiders Forum a week) as often, but I have noticed a trend of people in their 20s and moms on social media that make it a point to brag about looking like a mess and not attempting to be presentable. I have no problem with what people choose to wear or do really, but I don't think it's something to brag about how your house being a mess or looking like a slob going to the grocery store. The problem is, they teach now that it's acceptable to be like this, etc. Yes - it very much is. However, I don't believe it deserves praise.
And some people are too silly to know when they're being trolled.
One of the things we forget when we complain about young people is that it is our fault. You get what you train in most cases. Yes, you get some rebellion, but you have to trust that kids will come back to it if you are teaching the right things. I don't look at these kids as separate from me and that it says something about them. It says something about me. You focus on what you can do better instead of highlighting all the bad around you.
Another issue is that they live in a different world than us. They can get any answer they need at the tap of their phone. They are using phones to calculate answers even in school. So, they don't manually count. They don't use paper money. I am 56 years old and I barely use paper money. Everything is digital. So, they have skills that we don't. I am pretty literate when it comes to computers, but I am not ashamed to ask my 19 year old when I am not familiar with something. He always uses that opportunity to go on his rant about "Old People". Every generation thinks they are the ones that "have it right" when you ask them.
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Problems with public education in general
No discipline and no consequences = chaotic learning environment
The 3 R's have taken a back seat to DEI
School Choice is needed - Teachers are not graded on producing students who can read, write, spell and count and unlike failing coaches they are not booted after 5 years. Students don't have school/teacher choices.
No discipline and no consequences = chaotic learning environment
The 3 R's have taken a back seat to DEI
School Choice is needed - Teachers are not graded on producing students who can read, write, spell and count and unlike failing coaches they are not booted after 5 years. Students don't have school/teacher choices.
Although your insights have merit, I think some realities have to be taken in mind. I grew up in a family of educators. I didn't go into education because I didn't see educators being appreciated and I saw first hand the challenges. First, there is a nationwide teacher shortage everywhere. Reason? Everyone wants to be a critic instead of providing solutions based in reality. For example, if you boot those failing teachers you talk about after 5 years, who are you going to replace them with? The bodies are not there. It's like the current state of politics. Good people don't want to be bothered. Also, we don't value and pay them. You can go to your local waffle house and flip pancakes and earn just as good a living as you can teaching. Also, I just don't understand where you are going with DEI. Nobody is or should be worried about DEI in Education. Education is so strapped for bodies that they will take anyone with the bare minimum of qualifications.
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His comment about DEI was not that it limited or impacted the hiring of teachers. He said "The 3 R's have taken a back seat to DEI", meaning that the teachers and administrators in place are shifting focus from teaching things like the 3 R's to garbage like DEI.
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I agree. No discipline is a big one. Teaching garbage is another, imo.
Teachers in my family place a lot of blame on "no child left behind" and the inability to fail students, or remove students who are major issues.
Ad brings up a good point on lack of teachers, and how that limits the ability to wash out the underperforming. Not sure how to address that. Throwing money at is one option. But that hasn't really been a good option in the past.
I would like flash forward 5 or 10 years and see what the system would look like with school choice being truly implemented.
Exactly, it's indoctrination, not education!
I am in education, but not a teacher. I attribute our current state to three factors (in no particular order):
1. Poor Parenting
2. Social Media
3. Lack of accountability in educational policies for both students and teachers
1. Poor Parenting
2. Social Media
3. Lack of accountability in educational policies for both students and teachers
#1 is Yuge. I had discounted it because it wasn't really under school control. But it's a giant contributor.
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There has always been poor parenting. However, in the past teachers have been able to overcome it. The undisciplined, chaotic classroom makes it impossible today.
The social media addiction is a major factor - not just for students but adult employees as well. Good call on that one.
Accountability is another way of expressing the need for educational choice.
I like those as well.
There has always been poor parenting. However, in the past teachers have been able to overcome it. The undisciplined, chaotic classroom makes it impossible today.
The social media addiction is a major factor - not just for students but adult employees as well. Good call on that one.
Accountability is another way of expressing the need for educational choice.
See this is where misinformation causes problems. No one is teaching DEI in K-12 education. You may have a point in some college classrooms, but not in K-12. The only classes in high school where this can possibly happen is in your Civics, History, and Social Studies courses. I think it is rare even in those classes. I think the problem is people don't respect teachers in leading their classroom and they try to engineer how a course is taught from the outside. To put it simply, we have too many chefs in the kitchen and parents, in many cases, don't let the teacher manage his/her classroom. For example, during COVID, I was working from home and my son was taking a 9th grade History class. In listening to the instructor, I felt he was teaching the class in a very Eurocentric way (the opposite of DEI for those who may not understand) and I didn't like it. I felt the urge to call the school about it. Then I thought to myself. Nope, you need to fall back. Let that man manage his classroom. My son needs to learn from all types of perspectives. I let it go. We have to many parents now who can't let it go and we have a mess in education because of it.
We are getting to a point where, holistically speaking, there is no longer a generation influencing many of our kids that looks at education in a positive light. We have now reached a point where every generation in a household no longer perceives education as a privilege but as a right. I will take it one step further and even say a vast majority even see school and education as a hassle. It’s ingrained in our kids from the top down and social media doesn’t help that narrative. Even those students who come from good, wholesome households still have that extra voice in their ears (social media) constantly belittling the value of intelligence, learning, and exploration. Previous generations have never had that extra voice in their heads like kids these days do. Finally, without getting into specific details, there are clearly policies and initiatives that take precedent over education and learning in schools that is not helping those previous generations have more faith in our governing bodies.
If you think DEI is not a part of K - 12 education, you are blind.
Mandating pronouns/gender references in classrooms, gender neutral bathrooms/locker rooms and student/child gender transformation encouragements hidden from parents is just the tip of the iceberg.
Look at any online journals for educators and DEI is prominent subject matter.
I think the only way someone can say DEI is not being taught in K-12 is to be intentionally splitting hairs about the definition of DEI. (Or outright supporting misinformation)
Much like when people said CRT was not being taught, and then ignored when teachers said they used CRT as a "framework to create their lessons", etc. (The argument being that they werent actually teaching it, just using it to form their lessons)
There were even people arguing that CRT was just a legal term from the 70's, and that it was not connected to the garbage being taught, that was currently being referred to as CRT.
But that's a semantics argument, which is boring and unproductive.
That isn't being taught either. The problem with all this CRT and DEI talk is the same is with all this "Woke" talk. They define these terms as anything they don't like and it makes it impossible for anyone that doesn't think you like you to manage their classrooms. I am a Black guy that grew up right after the height of the Civil Rights movement. You are probably not going to like how I think. You are probably not going to like how would teach if I chose to do so. The question is should you respect it even if you may disagree. That's where we differ. I say you should respect different perspectives in the classrooms instead of making up all these terms that even most Black educators don't use. I have educators all through my family. Guess where I heard all this CRT and DEI talk from? White people. Most of my educator family members barely knew what these terms were. So, in essence these terms are strawmen to scare people that people with different perspectives can't educate your kids. That's fine if you have the money to go to a Private School. However, if you are at a public school where the school district is struggling to fill the classrooms with qualified teachers, you don't have the leeway to be getting rid of teachers because they think differently.
Oh, by the way in what classes are CRT and DEI being taught in if you have proof of that being the case? I sure would like to know. Educate me. I will at least listen to you.
As I said, semantics. Instead of confronting the garbage being taught, you argue over whether people are using your preferred definition of the terms to describe the garbage.
And the "that's where we differ" jab? I've seen you plenty disrespectful of people who disagree with you. Heck, I've seen you being disrespectful to me when I was agreeing with you.
Now, the demand that I prove DEI is being taught?
We've had a similar discussion before. I could tell you examples that my own children bring home, but you'll call me a liar. And just like when you tried this lame diversion with CRT, you won't listen. I can link you articles, where you'll either dismiss out of hand because you don't like the source, or fall back to complaining that you think they are misusing the term.
So, as i said, semantics. A boring and unproductive discussion meant only as a diversion.
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There are lots of people who would be surprised at what's being taught today. But I agree with you that you'd have to be almost blind to miss it. Or those people support it, and are just obfuscating.
Just what I thought. You have no information of these things. You just have talking points. I will listen to your talking points all day, but they hold no weight, with me at least, until you have classes and specifics topics being taught. We can have a serious conversation or we can continue to throw at three letter buzz words and rumors of the danger behind them.
As I said, we've had this discussion before. (Now deleted, I looked). You dismissed my first hand accounts, you dismissed my links, and in the end, you reverted to complaining about the definition of the terms.
Easy to claim no evidence when you dismiss any evidence out of hand.
Edit: Now flipping ahead in your usual script, we can move right to a petty insult followed by a claim you won't respond anymore. Which is all for the better, as diversions about semantics don't add much at all to the conversation.
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Teachers have consistently tried to blame poor parenting and lack of parental involvement. So, parents get involved and parents are calling out what and how their children are being taught and the quality of the educational curriculum. Now the teachers/administrators don't like the parents being involved. Blaming parents was the easy option but now it is becoming clear that teaching children the basics needed to become productive adults is not the primary focus in our schools. Now administrators switch back to money being the issue preventing our children from getting a basic education and this too has shown to be a fallacy demonstrated in areas where school choice has been implemented and teachers/administrators are accountable for the quality of the education they provide.
You know, i firmly believe that lackadasical parenting is the cause of a lot of the issues.
But
I did find it very funny that a lot of angst happened during the pandemic when some parents, the interested ones, started getting more involved in their kids' classes. The irony was thick there.
You could easily link again. I gather most of them will be riddled in opinion and illustrate no specific class. I deal in facts not in opinion that I may come across over the internet. That's the problem these days. Too many internet experts. I have had guys with no legal training arguing with me over the constitution on here. It's like me telling a mechanic that he is making the wrong repairs on my car because I saw something on the internet.
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It's a difference between being involved and trying to micromanage a classroom. I am just a person that believe in if you have an issue with a teacher go to that teacher and discuss the reasons behind what they are doing. You can be highly involved and allow a teacher to teach in his/her way at the same time. As a Black professional, there is no way I would teach a Civics or Government High School class in this environment. The minute I say something that makes "Lil Johnny" feel bad as a White kid you would have people accusing me of teaching CRT or DEI (which is usually a department in industry. It's not a topic for a class, y'all). Just SMH at some of the beliefs that are out there. Just had two kids graduate from high school over the past eight years. I am still waiting for them to enroll in that Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion class that have some of you so up in arms.
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I'm not sure you're responding to the right post here.
If you meant to reply to the other, where I reminded you that you'll dismiss any link I provide (and even dismissed my personal experience), it's ironic that I haven't posted one yet, and you're already laying groundwork for dismissing them. Color me surprised.
But I do agree on the notion of "internet experts". It must be a burden for you to be the only real expert on subjects unrelated to your field.