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Don't you find it interesting that those fanbases will be ready to bail on a Head Coach after 3 seasons? Those fanbases are SERIOUS people when it comes to football. Maybe that's why they have won national championships. Just saying.
 

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Don't you find it interesting that those fanbases will be ready to bail on a Head Coach after 3 seasons? Those fanbases are SERIOUS people when it comes to football. Maybe that's why they have won national championships. Just saying.

That is true, but it hasn't amounted to much. Aside from 3 great years under Meyer, UF has not had a UF-type season since Spurrier left. Miami has mostly been a shell of their formal selves for 2 decades now.
 

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That is true, but it hasn't amounted to much. Aside from 3 great years under Meyer, UF has not had a UF-type season since Spurrier left. Miami has mostly been a shell of their formal selves for 2 decades now.
True. But those people don't mess around down there with mediocrity. If they see they made a mistake in their hires, they don't throw good money after bad. They cut their losses. It's what I do when I recognize I made a mistaken investment. I don't sit "hoping" for a turnaround. "Hope" is not an investment strategy. Nor is it a hiring strategy.
 

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It's a tossup for me. Not sure why Miami is ranked, much less ranked #19. After starting 4-0 last year, they went 3-6 the rest of the way.

The talk I've heard is that Miami supposedly went nuts in the portal, and are spending a lot of money. I their recruiting class was suddenly very high too.

Maybe that accounts for the ranking? Youre right that it wasnt the rwults from last year.
 

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The talk I've heard is that Miami supposedly went nuts in the portal, and are spending a lot of money. I their recruiting class was suddenly very high too.

Maybe that accounts for the ranking? Youre right that it wasnt the rwults from last year.
I just looked. You are right. #5 in high school ranking and #16 in the portal.
 

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Reading the article, two sentences stood out:

"The Transfer Portal and NIL exist. A coach should be able to flip a roster by year three".

That's why I have said we should expect/demand a good season from Shane Beamer in his 4th season. No excuses.
 

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The talk I've heard is that Miami supposedly went nuts in the portal, and are spending a lot of money. I their recruiting class was suddenly very high too.

Maybe that accounts for the ranking? Youre right that it wasnt the rwults from last year.
Miami went really big on the portal acquiring one of the top QB's available in Cam Ward, RB Damien Martinez and on the DL Simeon Barrow, and Tyler Baron. All big acquisitions.
Canes are being very aggressive in the NIL department as well.
 

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Don't you find it interesting that those fanbases will be ready to bail on a Head Coach after 3 seasons? Those fanbases are SERIOUS people when it comes to football. Maybe that's why they have won national championships. Just saying.
Different situation. Both sit in a recruiting hotbed. Neither have had a lot of success in the last 20 years. After Spurrier: Zook, Strong, Meyer, Muschamp, Durkin, McElwain, Shannon, Mullen, Knox, Napier. All good coaches but only Meyer did well and he had questionable ethics.
 
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The talk I've heard is that Miami supposedly went nuts in the portal, and are spending a lot of money. I their recruiting class was suddenly very high too.

Maybe that accounts for the ranking? Youre right that it wasnt the rwults from last year.
They have a billionaire that makes contracts with athletes. He is the self appointed GM
 

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Don't you find it interesting that those fanbases will be ready to bail on a Head Coach after 3 seasons? Those fanbases are SERIOUS people when it comes to football. Maybe that's why they have won national championships. Just saying.
The hidden police reports and deferred failed drug tests prove it also….Just saying
 

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Reading the article, two sentences stood out:

"The Transfer Portal and NIL exist. A coach should be able to flip a roster by year three".

That's why I have said we should expect/demand a good season from Shane Beamer in his 4th season. No excuses.
The difference is that Shane doesn’t get the money that the big schools get to pay our players.
 

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The difference is that Shane doesn’t get the money that the big schools get to pay our players.
OK. Don't you think then that Shane needs to show the ability to win "more with less"? They used to say with Bear Bryant: "He can take his and beat yours and take yours and beat his".

If Shane can't win with the cards he has been dealt, then let's either 1. give him a "lifetime contract" and be done with hiring a Head Coach or 2. if he does not have the coaching chops to win with the cards he has been dealt, look for someone who does. Which of those 2 options do you prefer to go with?

My feeling is this: we will know by the end of the 2025 season, possibly even the end of this season whether Shane has the coaching ability to win here.
 

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It's too bad Darla Moore doesn't care about football. She could prop us up big time.

Actually, she should go to Clemson and see what their winning a couple football titles did for the University as a whole, including academically. The University has blown up, in large part due to Clemson's success in football. It's dumb, but kids are dumb....they see a program winning on the football field and what looks like a fun gameday experience, and they want to go there.
 

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OK. Don't you think then that Shane needs to show the ability to win "more with less"? They used to say with Bear Bryant: "He can take his and beat yours and take yours and beat his".

If Shane can't win with the cards he has been dealt, then let's either 1. give him a "lifetime contract" and be done with hiring a Head Coach or 2. if he does not have the coaching chops to win with the cards he has been dealt, look for someone who does. Which of those 2 options do you prefer to go with?

My feeling is this: we will know by the end of the 2025 season, possibly even the end of this season whether Shane has the coaching ability to win here.
Go with your feeling and support Beamer and the team while waiting for the end of the 2025 season to make an evaluation and decision.
 

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Go with your feeling and support Beamer and the team while waiting for the end of the 2025 season to make an evaluation and decision.
We have had 2 Top 10 portal classes and 2 Top 20 high school recruiting classes. The talent is there to win. Now we must show we know what to do with that talent. There should be no excuses.
 
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Go with your feeling and support Beamer and the team while waiting for the end of the 2025 season to make an evaluation and decision.
The only way I would not wait until the 2025 season is if we implode this year, losing to a "gimme" or two. I don't see that happening. I believe the Charlotte Observer has it right, predicting we will go 7-5.

I don't know how we stand NIL-wise. I have not seen anything to show we are NIL-destitute. On the contrary, our recruiting in the Portal and our high school recruiting the past 2 years says just the opposite. It belies the hand-wringing.

People here may not have noticed, BUT our new women's softball coach was gushing about the NIL money available to her to make USC a women's softball powerhouse. So, why not in football?
 

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We have had 2 Top 10 portal classes and 2 Top 20 high school recruiting classes. The talent is there to win. Now we must show we know what to do with that talent. There should be no excuses.
I don't really know what portal class rankings mean or what they are based on. In the vast majority of cases, you're hoping the transfer performs better at your school than he did at his previous school.

The only way I would not wait until the 2025 season is if we implode this year, losing to a "gimme" or two. I don't see that happening. I believe the Charlotte Observer has it right, predicting we will go 7-5.

I don't know how we stand NIL-wise. I have not seen anything to show we are NIL-destitute. On the contrary, our recruiting in the Portal and our high school recruiting the past 2 years says just the opposite. It belies the hand-wringing.

People here may not have noticed, BUT our new women's softball coach was gushing about the NIL money available to her to make USC a women's softball powerhouse. So, why not in football?
I'd imagine there's not nearly as much competition in girls softball for NIL and takes considerably less.

I really don't know where we stand in terms of NIL funds...all numbers thrown out for programs are speculation, not based on hard data....but I'd imagine it's like most other things for us in our conference: middle of the pack to bottom third. It's like our national recruiting class ranking. A class in the upper teens or low 20s nationally doesn't look bad, until you see we are 12th or 13th in our own conference.
 

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We have had 2 Top 10 portal classes and 2 Top 20 high school recruiting classes. The talent is there to win. Now we must show we know what to do with that talent. There should be no excuses.
except that several teams on our schedule have had higher ranked classes.
 

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Even though Miami is ranked and UF isn't expected to be all that good, the oddsmakers basically have this as a pick 'em with Miami a 2.5 point favorite.
 

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I realize that we do not have as much player talent as many of the schools on our schedule. But, that usually has been the case in our football history. Yet, nevertheless, we have had some very good seasons. At some point we should expect our Head Coach to have had his system fully understood and implemented on and off the playing field. He should, by now, have the right assistant coaches and support staff. He hopefully did a good evaluation of prospects.

The article said "Year Three". This will be Beamer's Year Four. If not by Year Four, when?
 

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Have we ever been a recruiting juggernaut?
As far back as you can see on 247, these our are classes since 2010 (national rank - SEC rank)

34 - 9
17 - 6
15 - 6
20 - 8
19 - 9
20 - 9
25 - 10
21 - 8
18 - 7
21 - 7
*2021
19 - 8
24 - 10
16 - 7
22 - 12

*I am discounting our 2021 class that was ranked 80th and was clearly an anomaly. Beamer was hired a few days prior to the close of the early signing period and had no chance to do much with that class.

As you can see, we are nothing if not consistent. 11 of the 14 classes were ranked 6th-9th in the SEC. 11 of the 14 were ranked 15th - 22nd nationally. You can see a bump in 2011 and 2012, but we dipped again in 2013 and 2014, which is odd, considering we were coming off of back-to-back and then back-to-back top 10 finishes. We have since been mired in the upper teens to low 20s.
 

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I realize that we do not have as much player talent as many of the schools on our schedule. But, that usually has been the case in our football history. Yet, nevertheless, we have had some very good seasons. At some point we should expect our Head Coach to have had his system fully understood and implemented on and off the playing field. He should, by now, have the right assistant coaches and support staff. He hopefully did a good evaluation of prospects.

The article said "Year Three". This will be Beamer's Year Four. If not by Year Four, when?

On paper Clemson was more talented us every year during that 5 year run for us.
 

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Ahhh... the five year run, such a sweet memory. Let's do it again.

I recall being worried about their offense most years during that stretch, then our D would just clamp down on them. In that five year stretch, their offenses averaged 29.8, 21,2 33.5, 41.0 and 38.0 ppg. We held them to 17, 7, 13, 17 and 17 ppg, respectively.
 
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As far back as you can see on 247, these our are classes since 2010 (national rank - SEC rank)

34 - 9
17 - 6
15 - 6
20 - 8
19 - 9
20 - 9
25 - 10
21 - 8
18 - 7
21 - 7
*2021
19 - 8
24 - 10
16 - 7
22 - 12

*I am discounting our 2021 class that was ranked 80th and was clearly an anomaly. Beamer was hired a few days prior to the close of the early signing period and had no chance to do much with that class.

As you can see, we are nothing if not consistent. 11 of the 14 classes were ranked 6th-9th in the SEC. 11 of the 14 were ranked 15th - 22nd nationally. You can see a bump in 2011 and 2012, but we dipped again in 2013 and 2014, which is odd, considering we were coming off of back-to-back and then back-to-back top 10 finishes. We have since been mired in the upper teens to low 20s.
We have never been a recruiting powerhouse. People worried about our player talent vs the other teams............. I have said it before and I'll say it again: It's not easy to recruit to South Carolina. It never has been. It never will be. Regardless, we have had some good seasons. Why not again?
 

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but we dipped again in 2013 and 2014, which is odd, considering we were coming off of back-to-back and then back-to-back top 10 finishes.
I don't think it was odd. I think what happened is that Spurrier was near the finish line. Everybody knew it, including those recruiting against us.
That's why we got it right going with young Head Coaches (Muschamp and Beamer). Now if Beamer can just do it on the field (obviously Muschamp couldn't).
 

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And that will never change!
The only thing that I don't like about that type of thought process is that pretty much every coach except the one that wins the national championship should be fired every year. Even if you say that about 12 teams have invested a great deal of NIL funds into players, have had multiple top 10 recruiting classes ,,,, 11 of the staffs should be fired.
 

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Carolina had much better LOS on both sides of the ball.Clemson had great WR but I think Carolina equal or better elsewhere during 5 yr stretch
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't recruiting to fill your needs what must be done. What good does it do to recruit a bunch of 4 and 5 star QBs if you are ignoring the other areas like the LOS.? Part of recruiting is figuring out where you are lacking and addressing those areas. Hopefully, Beamer has been recruiting the right way. I guess we will soon find out.
 

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OK. Don't you think then that Shane needs to show the ability to win "more with less"? They used to say with Bear Bryant: "He can take his and beat yours and take yours and beat his".

If Shane can't win with the cards he has been dealt, then let's either 1. give him a "lifetime contract" and be done with hiring a Head Coach or 2. if he does not have the coaching chops to win with the cards he has been dealt, look for someone who does. Which of those 2 options do you prefer to go with?

My feeling is this: we will know by the end of the 2025 season, possibly even the end of this season whether Shane has the coaching ability to win here.
The question is how long do you give someone to prove it? 3 years? 5? Especially with a new head coach, but any coach will know more about their situation and how to coach in general in year 6 than year 2. Coaching isn't a static thing. Beamer isn't necessarily the best coach he's going to be yet.
 

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The question is how long do you give someone to prove it? 3 years? 5? Especially with a new head coach, but any coach will know more about their situation and how to coach in general in year 6 than year 2. Coaching isn't a static thing. Beamer isn't necessarily the best coach he's going to be yet.

This is true and partially why I've argued elsewhere that we should roll the dice and stick with Beamer for 10 years. Best case scenario: he develops as a coach, even if slowly, and turns us into a consistent 8-win type of team. Worst case scenario: we end up being about what we always have been...mediocre or slightly worse. Given Shane's lack of track record as a head coach, I think it's worth a shot.

It's been borne out over 130 years of football for us. We've never been very bad or very good for any length of time. We've had a small handful of truly awful years and a handful of really good years. Otherwise, we've been mediocre. Why not try for something different after 130+ years? There really is nothing to lose.
 

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It's a tossup for me. Not sure why Miami is ranked, much less ranked #19. After starting 4-0 last year, they went 3-6 the rest of the way.
Cam Ward is a legit good QB. I'm hoping for a U victory. I want UF to implode.
 
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