So you think Briles won't adapt the offense to the players on campus?
As frustrated as I get with Will Rogers
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You do realize his stats are an absolute slap in the face to Dak’s and every SEC QB that’s in the top 10 of passing yards. He’s not in the same class as the great QB’s. Most serviceable QB’s can put up similar numbers to Will the last 2 & half years due to the system. Just look back at the 20 years of Leach’s career. This isn’t even controversial. I’m thankful for Will’s service and personally I really like the guy, but we can and should find a better quarterback. We won the last two games of the year in spite of his performance and lost another two games (LSU & UK) due to poor offensive performance.
It’s frustrating as hell watching nearly 1,700 pass attempts by a C-USA level QB and everyone watching sees he’s not fit to be a SEC QB. But due to strong D we find a way to win and now people are on here acting like Will is the best we can do.
No, his offense is RPO , it’s 60/40 run pass. Will will Be a back up like the passing qb they brought in against us behind Hornsby. Briles Will either bring KJ or sign a running q b out of the portal. Sawyer and Parson won’t stick around for long in my opinion.
Rogers won’t play in a Briles offense
Parson is a perfect fit for Briles offense. Not sure what you’re talking about
Will does what he does well but if you don't think he has significant limitations then you probably haven't been watching the games. Our offense has been fairly anemic against average to good defenses for a while now. Heck, we couldn't even do all that much against OM and they are not good on defense.
Parson wants to play in a spread passing attack, similar to Mahomes. He’s too physically small to take the beating he will in a Briles RPO. I would be really surprised if he sticks around. JMO and based off of some of his comments and relationship with Leach
This is why its difficult to have a discussion on MSU boards. Has anyone said Rogers has no discernible skill? NO. But if you point out his weaknesses then that's all some folks hear I guess. I'm just pointing out facts. Is Will a mobile QB? No he is not. Does Will hit WRs for 30+ yard receptions (I'm talking air yards not run after catch)? Very rarely. That doesn''t negate that WIll is very accurate on short to intermediate passes.
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So he can’t run, has a weak arm and can’t read coverage, then what skill does he have? Somebody with none of those skills wouldn’t be starting for any FBS school, much less an SEC school. And he damn sure wouldn’t have led them to nine wins and a top 20 final ranking.
It sounds like you’ve only watched Briles offense with KJ Jefferson at QB. The veer and shoot offense can go many different ways. A running QB is nice but he can tailor it to someone who’s not capable of taking a ton of hits like KJ. See Jarrett Stidham & Seth Russell 2015 Baylor
I’m starting to question if you watched the games this year or just like throwing out we won 9 games while crediting Rogers.
Don't think Will did himself any favors in this game.....especially after watching the replay. Will had ALL day to throw, Marks was open for 5-7 on EVERY play and the D all but smothered Illinois minus the one touchdown. And the tipped passes......christ, how is this still a problem? Was really pleased with the DL's play especially considering that getting to the QB hasn't really been their thing this season, At times they looked surprised themselves that they had devito dead to right. That said, not often you get to see 9 wins as a state fan and a ton of that is a credit to Will R. And never in my years I have I ever seen the SECW stronger top to bottom (Don't ever recall a year where last place beat 1st place).
I don't think the lack of running shows Will isn't tough, but I do think it's fair to say that he shows a lack of toughness when he crumples in the pocket under pressure, when he slides short of a first down, when he runs backwards out of the pocket and loses double digit yards, and how he can't hold onto the ball when he takes contact. He had 7 fumbles this season, which is second in the SEC (behind Robby Ashford at Auburn with 9) and tied for 4th nationally (or 7th depending on how you count ties).
That being said, I have to admit that I'm also looking at that through the prism of the previous decade having warriors at QB like Relf, Dak, Fitz, even Schrader. Whatever other faults they had, they didn't fold at the prospect of physical contact.
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I thought Will was much better with that in the bowl game. He didn’t crumple under pressure, took no sacks, stepped up in the pocket and scrambled a few times. He had positive rushing yards in the game and once scrambled outside the pocket and threw a strike to Robinson for about a 20 yard gain. He’s never going to be a runner but just stepping up in the pocket and not taking sacks is what he needs to do.
So Rogers gets no credit for the wins? He did nothing to help us win nine games? I think I remember him throwing for more than 400 yards and three TD’s against Arkansas and 330 and three TD’s (including a 75-yarder) against Arkansas. 357 yards and three TD’s against Auburn. Yes, he made mistakes and he has limitations, but let’s not act like he’s Tyler Russell or Michael Henig.
will is the best passing QB we've had at State and the numbers reflect that.
BUT:
Will does not see the field well (there are open receivers on every play) and he can't find them.
Will can not throw a receiver open - in fact, he is a split second late on ALL of his throws and as a result we do not get the kind of YAC you should in an Air Raid offense.
Will lacks arm strength.
Will can not run and can not elude a strong rush, whether the rush is up the middle or off the edge.
Will is LIMITED.
He might still be our best option in 2023. I'd like to get an OC who can get the most out of him, but at this point, we all know that is not much. I hope we can find another QB.
BUT:
Will does not see the field well (there are open receivers on every play) and he can't find them.
Will can not throw a receiver open - in fact, he is a split second late on ALL of his throws and as a result we do not get the kind of YAC you should in an Air Raid offense.
Will lacks arm strength.
Will can not run and can not elude a strong rush, whether the rush is up the middle or off the edge.
Will is LIMITED.
He might still be our best option in 2023. I'd like to get an OC who can get the most out of him, but at this point, we all know that is not much. I hope we can find another QB.
Solid post, and our stint of dual threats certainly colors all of our view of that position, but objectively, we've never had it better than from Dak to now. I suspect what you see as folding is him doing what CML wanted and protecting himself because nobody else was close to ready. Of course, I stay a little fed up with our fanbases' ability to constantly criticize a literal record setting QB. Then I remember some football sage now on another board, that is sponsored by Viagra, who routinely referred to Dak as "Checkdown Charlie" and belittled him...I mean our QB history can be seen as Before Dak (BD) and After Dak (AD), and now Will is breaking Dak's records. If this is what we are complaining about, I'll take it:
If you want to give Will credit for having a good game against the 124th ranked defense in the country in Arkansas or against Auburn with an interim HC(in a game where we were non existent offensively for 2 and a half quarters, had 9 straight possessions where we punted, threw an int or fumbled) then knock yourself out. But I thought you’d come back with a little bit of a better argument than this.
Is there any reason why we have to have a QB that can run? Is Marino less of a QB because he didn't run? Will is no Marino or Foutes but he's his own kind of QB. How about we focus on him developing his own skills further and forget about him being part of our RTGDB in any future offense. He's not going to run or throw bombs constantly but he's going to be good at what he can do. Then you can find the next Jalen Hurts or Lamar Jackson.
They're both on the injured list! Wonder why.
Ok I understand. He gets no credit for the wins but the blame for the losses.
Will's completion % , TD / INT ratio is not luck. The guy throws into traffic well because he's got good instincts knowing where the defender's eyes and focus are. I also don't think we've ever had a QB as good with timing patterns at STATE. But his limitations are pronounced evidenced again in the bowl game where even though he had tons of time and protection yet still couldn't find wide open receivers that were not the intitial target. His inability to hang on to the ball after contact is indeed from a lack of toughness. Having a QB that allows a D to not have to cover sections of the field due to his weak arm and no running skills killed us in many games; even the ones we won. Will's weaknesses hurt us more than his strengths helped us overall. With a more athletic and tough QB, we win @ KY and woulda had a good chance @ LSU. We also kick the schit outta AU & tsun instead of nail biters.
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