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Motodawg

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I’m guilty of this, too. However, it’s always puzzled me. I’m 37 years old and have followed as long as I was intelligent enough to understand what I was watching, but I can’t help but think I’ve lived through the glory years.

Still, I am always cautiously optimistic. That being said, some of you are downright insufferable. Some of these guys transferring are coming from sec and other p4 schools. All season long, especially on defense, we had “non p4 talent” according to most. Now, p4 talent is coming in but they aren’t good enough. Is everything okay at home?

Ill hang up and listen
 
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I’m not miserable. I’m more realistic in my assessments.

I tend to be cautiously pessimistic. If we perform down to expectations, I’m not disappointed.

If we do better than expected, I’m happier.

I didn’t expect 2-10 this season. I think I said 5-7 here but was privately thinking 4-8.

I’m just glad we didn’t go EKU and 11 after Shapen went down.
 
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Motodawg said:
I’m guilty of this, too. However, it’s always puzzled me. I’m 37 years old and have followed as long as I was intelligent enough to understand what I was watching, but I can’t help but think I’ve lived through the glory years.

Still, I am always cautiously optimistic. That being said, some of you are downright insufferable. Some of these guys transferring are coming from sec and other p4 schools. All season long, especially on defense, we had “non p4 talent” according to most. Now, p4 talent is coming in but they aren’t good enough. Is everything okay at home?

Ill hang up and listen
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Many of us are taking a deeper dive into the player's past performances. We off all people complain about teams/players getting the benefit of the doubt because of the name on the front of their jerseys. Now some people on here are doing exactly that. Just because they come from an SEC school, doesn't mean they are going to be good.

The LB from Tenn is a huge get. The kid has put up really good numbers and is young. The safety that was at Bama and eventually at EMCC showed us something. Another big get. The WR from OU has proven to be a kid that can get by people. Fluff is proven. Hibbler is proven. IMO, the rest of them are coin flips.

I don't care what they were rated out of HS if they've played 2+ years of college ball. The slate is wiped clean. The reality is that with today's rules, kids will have the opportunities to shine IF they are able to. Programs don't have the luxury to manage a roster like they have in the past. If a kid doesn't play, it's likely because the kid wasn't good enough. No one is stashing kids to get an extra year out of them.
 
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Just like willow grove said. I’ve been doing this for 50yrs+. Been jaded by such terrible football. Especially last few years. We were always underdogs to Bama, LSu, Ga etc. but now with NIL and portal the gap is only widening imo.
 
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Motodawg said:
I’m guilty of this, too. However, it’s always puzzled me. I’m 37 years old and have followed as long as I was intelligent enough to understand what I was watching, but I can’t help but think I’ve lived through the glory years.

Still, I am always cautiously optimistic. That being said, some of you are downright insufferable. Some of these guys transferring are coming from sec and other p4 schools. All season long, especially on defense, we had “non p4 talent” according to most. Now, p4 talent is coming in but they aren’t good enough. Is everything okay at home?

Ill hang up and listen
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I've been going to MSU sporting events for approximately 55 years now, why should I be optimistic about this football program? I can count on 2 hands the memorable seasons. There's a reason players hit the portal, weren't good enough to make the roster where they were or the new team pays them considerably more. I'm thinking we aren't in the business of paying them considerably more than they were getting at another school, are we, unless it was a lower division team? And, how have the ones we've brought in actually performed to date?
 
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Motodawg said:
I’m guilty of this, too. However, it’s always puzzled me. I’m 37 years old and have followed as long as I was intelligent enough to understand what I was watching, but I can’t help but think I’ve lived through the glory years.

Still, I am always cautiously optimistic. That being said, some of you are downright insufferable. Some of these guys transferring are coming from sec and other p4 schools. All season long, especially on defense, we had “non p4 talent” according to most. Now, p4 talent is coming in but they aren’t good enough. Is everything okay at home?

Ill hang up and listen
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I've got tons of optimism. I'm optimistic about the direction that men's and women's Bball are going. I'm optimistic that Lemonis will either get baseball back to Omaha within the next couple years or else we'll find someone that will. I'm even optimistic about some of our smaller sports like women's golf and soccer.

Football, though? Let me ask you this... what's your optimistic outlook for next season after landing this portal haul that's allegedly full of P4 talent? If the answer is 4 or less wins, then I think you have your answer. If it's 5 or more, all I can say god bless your positivity and faith in this crew
 
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Anon1728174187 said:
now with NIL and portal the gap is only widening imo.
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We might be the only "have not" in the power conference who feels this way. Why is that? Otherwise it's only the blue bloods who hate NIL and the portal because they can't stock up on extra depth as much anymore. We see schools like Indiana, Colorado, TCU, SMU, Arizona, Arizona State, Illinois, South Carolina, Syracuse, BYU, Louisville, Kansas, Ole Miss, UNLV, Vanderbilt, etc., all loving the new reality and using the portal and NIL to close the gap. Why can't we do it too?
 
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Motodawg said:
I’m guilty of this, too. However, it’s always puzzled me. I’m 37 years old and have followed as long as I was intelligent enough to understand what I was watching, but I can’t help but think I’ve lived through the glory years.

Still, I am always cautiously optimistic. That being said, some of you are downright insufferable. Some of these guys transferring are coming from sec and other p4 schools. All season long, especially on defense, we had “non p4 talent” according to most. Now, p4 talent is coming in but they aren’t good enough. Is everything okay at home?

Ill hang up and listen
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QuaoarsKing said:
We might be the only "have not" in the power conference who feels this way. Why is that? Otherwise it's only the blue bloods who hate NIL and the portal because they can't stock up on extra depth as much anymore. We see schools like Indiana, Colorado, TCU, SMU, Arizona, Arizona State, Illinois, South Carolina, Syracuse, BYU, Louisville, Kansas, Ole Miss, UNLV, Vanderbilt, etc., all loving the new reality and using the portal and NIL to close the gap. Why can't we do it too?
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I think you need to take a harder look at the schools you’ve listed — a lot of flagships and privates
 
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I think you need to take a harder look at the schools you’ve listed — a lot of flagships and privates
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I don't think there is a single program on that list (maybe TCU) who was a better program than us in the 2010s, and I believe South Carolina is the only one that has ever consistently averaged higher attendance than us.

I'm not saying we have to be better than all of those programs year-in, year-out, but if all of those programs are using NIL and the portal to improve their situation, there's no reason why we can't to. It seems like we just don't want to.
 
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QuaoarsKing said:
I don't think there is a single program on that list (maybe TCU) who was a better program than us in the 2010s, and I believe South Carolina is the only one that has ever consistently averaged higher attendance than us.

I'm not saying we have to be better than all of those programs year-in, year-out, but if all of those programs are using NIL and the portal to improve their situation, there's no reason why we can't to. It seems like we just don't want to.
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What @Mr. Cook is saying is that it’s Resources that matter.

Performance in a different era doesn't mean as much now.
 
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Motodawg said:
I’m guilty of this, too. However, it’s always puzzled me. I’m 37 years old and have followed as long as I was intelligent enough to understand what I was watching, but I can’t help but think I’ve lived through the glory years.

Still, I am always cautiously optimistic. That being said, some of you are downright insufferable. Some of these guys transferring are coming from sec and other p4 schools. All season long, especially on defense, we had “non p4 talent” according to most. Now, p4 talent is coming in but they aren’t good enough. Is everything okay at home?

Ill hang up and listen
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Motodawg said:
I’m guilty of this, too. However, it’s always puzzled me. I’m 37 years old and have followed as long as I was intelligent enough to understand what I was watching, but I can’t help but think I’ve lived through the glory years.

Still, I am always cautiously optimistic. That being said, some of you are downright insufferable. Some of these guys transferring are coming from sec and other p4 schools. All season long, especially on defense, we had “non p4 talent” according to most. Now, p4 talent is coming in but they aren’t good enough. Is everything okay at home?

Ill hang up and listen
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Motodawg said:
I’m guilty of this, too. However, it’s always puzzled me. I’m 37 years old and have followed as long as I was intelligent enough to understand what I was watching, but I can’t help but think I’ve lived through the glory years.

Still, I am always cautiously optimistic. That being said, some of you are downright insufferable. Some of these guys transferring are coming from sec and other p4 schools. All season long, especially on defense, we had “non p4 talent” according to most. Now, p4 talent is coming in but they aren’t good enough. Is everything okay at home?

Ill hang up and listen
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This board probably is not representative of the majority of State fans. OTOH there are many loyal State fans and alumni who post on here. There are probably a large number of trolls who are not State fans. Take all posts with a grain of salt.
 
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My life experiences (marriage, hunting/fishing, career, kids) has taught me to “hope for the best, expect the worst”. This applies to MSU as well. Fortunately, I have a little control over all of these except MSU sports.

If you were born into a MSU family, you’ve probably been exposed to bad attitudes concerning State sports since day one. I know I was.
 
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Awwhellnaw said:
My life experiences (marriage, hunting/fishing, career, kids) has taught me to “hope for the best, expect the worst”. This applies to MSU as well. Fortunately, I have a little control over all of these except MSU sports.

If you were born into a MSU family, you’ve probably been exposed to bad attitudes concerning State sports since day one. I know I was.
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Red eye chartreuse sexy shad lipless crank bait should help you with your fishing optimism. Fish it when they start to feed around dusk fast and up close to the top.
 
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My theory on pessimism centers on our older fans (sixty and older). There's a significant block of these folks who are afraid of success. Not all of them; I'm guessing this applies to about 35% of that age group.

They want us to win, of course. They attend a few games and give a little money. But somewhere deep down, in places they don't talk about at parties, they're afraid that winning will bring change. And they're uncomfortable with that. They might not get to park close to the stadium. They might have to pay more for their seats. Or stand up to see over the youngsters ringing those stupid cowbells. They take a perverse pride in being "lovable losers". They say things like "I hope we don't get ranked. We play better when we're not ranked." And "We don't deserve a bowl game/regional host/tournament bid."

They don't like losing, but it doesn't tear them up inside. They can get home faster with less traffic. God help them if visiting fans don't have the most amazing experience in our stadium. Create an intimidating environment to help our team win? No, it's too loud or too bright or too new or an opposing player's great aunt might post something mean about us on Facebook.
 
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I have a State friend that is really pessimistic about our football team. I asked him why he was so negative. He said if we lose then the team met his expectations. If we win then it is an exciting experience for him. He said thinking this way prevents him from being upset when we lose.
 
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HeCannotGo said:
My theory on pessimism centers on our older fans (sixty and older). There's a significant block of these folks who are afraid of success. Not all of them; I'm guessing this applies to about 35% of that age group.

They want us to win, of course. They attend a few games and give a little money. But somewhere deep down, in places they don't talk about at parties, they're afraid that winning will bring change. And they're uncomfortable with that. They might not get to park close to the stadium. They might have to pay more for their seats. Or stand up to see over the youngsters ringing those stupid cowbells. They take a perverse pride in being "lovable losers". They say things like "I hope we don't get ranked. We play better when we're not ranked." And "We don't deserve a bowl game/regional host/tournament bid."

They don't like losing, but it doesn't tear them up inside. They can get home faster with less traffic. God help them if visiting fans don't have the most amazing experience in our stadium. Create an intimidating environment to help our team win? No, it's too loud or too bright or too new or an opposing player's great aunt might post something mean about us on Fac
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I’m probably more optimistic than most but don’t have a lot of reasons for my optimism. It’s just how I choose to live. We usually don’t live up to my expectations but I would rather live the way I do than to be negative.
 
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I'm pessimistic about winning the lottery the 3 times a year my wife buys a ticket because the odds are stacked against us.

I would say the odds of winning a MegaMillions Jackpot are actually better than MSU winning a football or basketball championship.
So yeah, I sometimes get pessimistic about MSU sports because of the odds.
 
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605-589-37 on the field in 121 years
588-607-36 on paper (thanks to forfeits)

overall SEC record is under 45%. In fact State is dead last in SEC wins. Yes even behind Vandy and Kentucky.
 
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Mr. Cook said:
I think you need to take a harder look at the schools you’ve listed — a lot of flagships and privates
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YEP.

I’ve taken this vow of positivity but we still have to be realistic about where we are and what we can do. Need to be looking at similar schools and then look at those models.
 
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I misread your post the first time. Instead of "As State fans, why are we so pessimistic ?". I originally thought it sad "As State fans, why we are so pessimistic ?" and I thought to myself this may be along post.
 
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Many years of being a State fan. Both one of the best and one of the worst decisions I've made in my life.
 
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Objectively, we have very little built-in advantages. Where we do have advantages we have squandered them with poor leadership.
 
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