assistant coaches/wrestling with the team wrestlers-is there an age limit for most coaches to do this?

[psykim]

Cael said in his press conference today that assistant coaches wrestle "3 times" as much as the team wrestlers. I assume he may be exaggerating a bit but realistically how in age can
coaches wrestle with these top top college wrestlers and not risk their own health? Mother nature does always win at some point! Just curious if head coaches get older they have to phase out their on match wrestling and leave it younger guy/coaches. Wrestling sounds unique here-not sure in how many other sports assistant coaches are so hands on!

 

[SonnyAbeFan]

I'm going to take a guess (hopefully somewhat educated) that there's truth to Cael's estimate. I suspect the coaches are at or around the wrestling room all day, and guys may pop in and out throughout the day, so the may be on the mat a bit during the day. I think during practice, the coaches are highly interactive, and from what I've heard in the past, Penn State's practices are very free-form where guys are just working on things with each other. Keep in mind that Cael has been an innovator around "play" wrestling, where guys are wrestling around 70% and just working through a variety of positions, trying different things, taking turns. You see a lot of it today when guys warm up, which is probably at about 40-50%. You want to see Aaron Brooks get taken down? Getting taken down and put in bad positions is all part of it, learning how to deal with the bad positions (both as the offensive and defensive guy). I'll bet 100% wrestling is extremely rare, and if it does occur, I'll bet it for short bursts only. Point is that I bet all coaches are on the mats throughout the entire practice. Not like my coach who stood there with a whistle and screamed at me!

Then, you've got post-practice. Some guys may hang around. I think that's the point where the PSU guys can practice with the NLWC guys. So keep in mind that Kerk can't practice with Snyder or this new giant until after practice. My guess is that Cael is mixing it up with Kerk throughout most of PSU's practice, and then he's hanging around mixing it up at the post-practice as well. This applies to Cody, Casey, Kennedy, and Varner as well.

I don't know this for fact, and maybe someone can correct me, but I BELIEVE Cael was an innovator as far as coaches largely practicing with the guys. Nowadays, it seems like this is commonplace at all top programs. I'm more confident that Cael was an innovator in the free-flowing unstructured practices, as well as bringing fun into the mix (e.g. Dodgeball, spikeball).

 

[psupower]

He was simple referring to the Berge question. Basically saying Berge has been wrestling a lot as an assistant coach. He will wrestle off today with Edsall.

 

[BaccaFarmer]

Cael said in his press conference today that assistant coaches wrestle "3 times" as much as the team wrestlers. I assume he may be exaggerating a bit but realistically how in age can
coaches wrestle with these top top college wrestlers and not risk their own health? Mother nature does always win at some point! Just curious if head coaches get older they have to phase out their on match wrestling and leave it younger guy/coaches. Wrestling sounds unique here-not sure in how many other sports assistant coaches are so hands on!

As a retiree living part time in State College, I go over to Rec Hall Lorenzo wrestling practice facility fairly often (not the past 2 years). Generally around 3:30, “visitors” can come in and sit on the dinky little stands. I can’t speak for exactly what goes on before 3:30, but, the coaches including Cael are generally pretty soaked. The dodge ball intermission is what I would call beyond intense ….. and you can see that Cael does not like to lose. After dodgeball, the coaches talk a bit and let loose with a fairly free form kind of practice where the guys “roll” for 3 minutes and Rest for 3 minutes while others practice their skills of interest.
Since RUTGERS is coming up, I’ll share a bit of Nicky Push-ups lore (yeah yeah . I know he’s eating Meat Chicken now). When Nick was a freshmen, he would roll hard for 3 minutes with one practice partner. Then …. When it was his turn to rest …. He would go with someone else. One day I saw him go 15-18 minutes in a row without break. You hear the rumors about the coaching staff needing to tell the guy to take a break …. It’s true.
Anyway, Cael and his assistants all work hard on the mat at practice. I suspect it’s the same way at other colleges (having only seen practices at one other college - VT). I’d have to guess that BB is rather well conditioned for action this coming weekend. Of course his competitive edge may be a little dull, but, his gas tank should be full.

 

[SonnyAbeFan]

He was simple referring to the Berge question. Basically saying Berge has been wrestling a lot as an assistant coach. He will wrestle off today with Edsall.

Cael was referencing the fact that coaches today, like Berge, wrestle 3x as much as wrestlers. And that’s why Berge is still in wrestling shape. But psykim seemed to be asking if this is true about coaches, in general, and at what age can the no longer do this. (“I assume he may be exaggerating a bit but realistically how in age can coaches wrestle with these top top college wrestlers and not risk their own health? Mother nature does always win at some point!”) It’s my experience and knowledge (somewhat limited) that it’s the norm, regardless of age. I’m sure it gets harder with age, but they all seem to do it.

 

[SonnyAbeFan]

As a retiree living part time in State College, I go over to Rec Hall Lorenzo wrestling practice facility fairly often (not the past 2 years). Generally around 3:30, “visitors” can come in and sit on the dinky little stands. I can’t speak for exactly what goes on before 3:30, but, the coaches including Cael are generally pretty soaked. The dodge ball intermission is what I would call beyond intense ….. and you can see that Cael does not like to lose. After dodgeball, the coaches talk a bit and let loose with a fairly free form kind of practice where the guys “roll” for 3 minutes and Rest for 3 minutes while others practice their skills of interest.
Since RUTGERS is coming up, I’ll share a bit of Nicky Push-ups lore (yeah yeah . I know he’s eating Meat Chicken now). When Nick was a freshmen, he would roll hard for 3 minutes with one practice partner. Then …. When it was his turn to rest …. He would go with someone else. One day I saw him go 15-18 minutes in a row without break. You hear the rumors about the coaching staff needing to tell the guy to take a break …. It’s true.
Anyway, Cael and his assistants all work hard on the mat at practice. I suspect it’s the same way at other colleges (having only seen practices at one other college - VT). I’d have to guess that BB is rather well conditioned for action this coming weekend. Of course his competitive edge may be a little dull, but, his gas tank should be full.

The only thing I’d say is that match gas tank is different than practice and training gas tank. I’d be willing to bet that Brady’s match gas tank won’t be there yet. (By the way, we need to be careful about our usage of BB. I thought you meant Beau Bartlett at first!)

 

[SonnyAbeFan]

He was simple referring to the Berge question. Basically saying Berge has been wrestling a lot as an assistant coach. He will wrestle off today with Edsall.

Please let us know the result of today’s wrestle off

 

[crockster]

He was simple referring to the Berge question. Basically saying Berge has been wrestling a lot as an assistant coach. He will wrestle off today with Edsall.

How do you know they are wrestling off today? I thought Cael was very non committal about any wrestle off.

 

[SonnyAbeFan]

How do you know they are wrestling off today? I thought Cael was very non committal about any wrestle off.

Read the other thread. He’s able to read through Carl’s non-committal statements like no other.

 

[crockster]

Read the other thread. He’s able to read through Carl’s non-committal statements like no other.

I read it. trying to interpret things. Could just be an interesting opinion too. I guess we will find out...

 

[LB99]

So, if it is true that he is wrestling off with Edsall, then he is going 165? Do we know if the is is a temporary stop on his way down to 157 or is he staying at 165? Edsall seems to be able to hold his own at 165.

 

[Bernard Shakey]

So, if it is true that he is wrestling off with Edsall, then he is going 165? Do we know if the is is a temporary stop on his way down to 157 or is he staying at 165? Edsall seems to be able to hold his own at 165.

It would make sense, given his history with concussions, that they wouldn't want him cutting weight. I believe dehydration leads to increased concussion risk.

 

[crockster]

So, if it is true that he is wrestling off with Edsall, then he is going 165? Do we know if the is is a temporary stop on his way down to 157 or is he staying at 165? Edsall seems to be able to hold his own at 165.

I agree Edsell holds his own, but mostly against equal or lesser talent. I truly appreciate how he has performed. He has really been a real competitor. Not sure he can beat top 20 wrestlers yet. I think Brady has more potential and experience to do that. I guess we will find out.

 

[LB99]

Wrestler Participants for Purple Raider Open | WrestleStat

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Berge entered at 157. Robbie Howard at 125. SVN, Beard also entered.

 

[psupower]

How do you know they are wrestling off today? I thought Cael was very non committal about any wrestle off.

He’s listed at 157/165 so he could very well wrestle off with Negron or Edsell now. That’s the big question right now. Think we find out on Sunday. The coaching staff won’t tip their hand to opposing teams. Excited times for sure. Personally love to see Berge at 157 but you don’t want the cut to effect his conditioning.

 

[psupower]

Wrestler Participants for Purple Raider Open | WrestleStat

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Berge entered at 157. Robbie Howard at 125. SVN, Beard also entered.

When is this tournament LB99 ? Thanks for posting it.

 

[ClarkstonMark]

He’s listed at 157/165 so he could very well wrestle off with Negron or Edsell now. That’s the big question right now. Think we find out on Sunday. The coaching staff won’t tip their hand to opposing teams. Excited times for sure. Personally love to see Berge at 157 but you don’t want the cut to effect his conditioning.

I thought he wrestled off with Edsell yesterday?
Now he might wrestle off against someone, someday. Very informative

 

[psupower]

I thought he wrestled off with Edsell yesterday?
Now he might wrestle off against someone, someday. Very informative

Yes. Agree being getting conflicting info. . Be sure to let them know. . Like to know when that open tournament is and that could tell us. Really surprised to see Robbie listed at 125. Just hope his shoulder is

 

[AK1967]

I believe Cael did allude to some open tournaments to get some matches in.

 

[SonnyAbeFan]

I think you are jumping to conclusions with this tournament. It appears almost every non-starter is listed. It also says:

 

[LB99]

I think you are jumping to conclusions with this tournament. It appears almost every non-starter is listed. It also says:
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We will find out soon enough. It’s on the 16th.

 

[crockster]

I heard 5-6 could be going from Roar and none of the big name RS are in his list. But who knows its only Wednesday.