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Trying to make sense of NIL and the transfer portal, like it or not - Mississippi Today
College football has changed with name, image and likeness (NIL) and the transfer portal. Columnist Rick Cleveland shares his thoughts.
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I agree.You be surprised how many boosters and supporters feel this way.
“I am not about to donate tens of thousands of dollars to a collective so our star running back can go out and buy himself a Porsche and then drive it off next year to Tuscaloosa or Baton Rouge for a better deal.”
Someone said that NIL contracts cannot be performance-based for some reason.I’m shocked that to this point, none of this NIL slush fund horseshittery has been contingent to contracts.
I was thinking more along the lines of something similar to scholarship agreements. Participation minimums must be met or the benefits cease. Coaches get paid bonuses for meeting certain benchmarks, and the players wanted a piece of that pie. Why should they get to have their pie and eat it, too?Someone said that NIL contracts cannot be performance-based for some reason.
Maybe a legal eagle could shed some light on that... @Shmuley
I 100% agree. Don't fork over a ton of money to a kid who is going to skip your rivalry game and your bowl game. There needs to be basic expectations on this stuff.I was thinking more along the lines of something similar to scholarship agreements. Participation minimums must be met or the benefits cease. Coaches get paid bonuses for meeting certain benchmarks, and the players wanted a piece of that pie. Why should they get to have their pie and eat it, too?
Someone said that NIL contracts cannot be performance-based for some reason.
Maybe a legal eagle could shed some light on that... @Shmuley
It's against NCAA rules. Oh, you say the NCAA doesn't matter? Well, yes, they still do.I was thinking more along the lines of something similar to scholarship agreements. Participation minimums must be met or the benefits cease. Coaches get paid bonuses for meeting certain benchmarks, and the players wanted a piece of that pie. Why should they get to have their pie and eat it, too?
I wish they cared as much about tampering with State players. And until they do, we ought to be Bernie Mac and turn e'ery mufukka in... "Your honor, he did it. I tried to call you but the line was busy"It's against NCAA rules. Oh, you say the NCAA doesn't matter? Well, yes, they still do.
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NCAA puts Florida State football on 2-year probation following NIL-related recruiting violation
Florida State agreed to two years of probation, the loss of a total of five football scholarships over the next two seasons and other restrictions on recruiting, including a reduction of official visits. The school was also fined $5,000.www.fox35orlando.com
Now, we all know NIL is recruiting inducements. But you can't put it in writing, or do what FSU did and leave an obvious trail.
I'm with you, and the rich dude you quoted, except the rich part; scratch that part and keep the sentiment.![]()
Trying to make sense of NIL and the transfer portal, like it or not - Mississippi Today
College football has changed with name, image and likeness (NIL) and the transfer portal. Columnist Rick Cleveland shares his thoughts.mississippitoday.org
When the "other kids who are busting their asses" generate MILLIONS of dollars for the school and then by rules setup by the university can't receive any of those dollars, then you have a point. If one of those kids has a job as an influencer or wrote an app they get to keep that money even if they are on scholarship. Should be same for the student-athlete.Rick, I probably make you look "progressive" on this subject . The very thought of having a bunch of professional athletes who, no longer even masquerade as "student athletes" living the "good life" with their money and their bling on the same campus as kids who are busting their asses to get and pay for their education is just sickening to me . Shame on everyone who had a hand in allowing this to happen to college football.
The general student population does generate more revenue than the athletes. Compare athletic department revenue to Academic revenue.When the "other kids who are busting their asses" generate MILLIONS of dollars for the scho
That's a twisted way of looking at it. The students are the source of the academic revenue. The student-athlete brings in money from another source. That's why at the base of it they don't pay to go to school.The general student population does generate more revenue than the athletes. Compare athletic department revenue to Academic revenue.
Bruce, I love ya man and I don't know what you do for a living but if you can say this with a straight face, you ought to be in politics.Gonna say this one last time NIL money by law must have ZERO to due with the university. If that contract has in it where the person must go, they can't go to that university. There can be no inference to pay for play.
Agreed, this has been lost forever, and it's not coming back. But you can look at it this way - paying players has been going on since the 70s, it just wasn't in plain sight. Our boosters will still do it, NIL or no NIL.This may be rambling but it's early in the morning. I'm a msu graduate as is my wife, SIL, mom, and several cousins. I have/had family members that worked for the university. Ever since I was old enough to not **** in a diaper I've loved msu with the same passion I hate ole miss. I have developed a lifetime loyalty to the school due to my many ties to it. I remember back in the day (I turn 50 March) it felt like the players in our sports teams did, too. You'd hear then saying they grew up dreaming of wearing the maroon and white or if they were out of state fell in love with the school when they came to visit. It was like family. It was easy to relate to and pull for those players. That's completely gone now for the most part. It's now a team basically of hired gun employees going to the highest bidder. They couldn't give a wet fart about the school or anything else. It's nothing more than a job to them and if they think they can make a dollar more somewhere else they're gone. It's hard to rally behind and give a 17 about players like that for me. Especially to break down and spend money on season tickets, and then spend another fortune on parking and concessions and fighting the crowds when I can sit on my couch and watch it on a high def flat screen and go get a beer or food out of the kitchen and take a whiz all in a two minute commercial break. Then when the game is over I'm already home. When I was going to watch players like Moulds, Dak, Dicenzo, and Keiffer play it was different. You knew they were there for at least three years. Now you don't know if a player will be here next week.
The only problem I have here is the fact that the NCAA is still operating under the hilarious premise that we’re experiencing around the country with NIL isn’t pay for play. When they can come to grips with the fact that it is, we can establish a rule set to move forward. Until then, it’s just a jokeIt's against NCAA rules. Oh, you say the NCAA doesn't matter? Well, yes, they still do.
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NCAA puts Florida State football on 2-year probation following NIL-related recruiting violation
Florida State agreed to two years of probation, the loss of a total of five football scholarships over the next two seasons and other restrictions on recruiting, including a reduction of official visits. The school was also fined $5,000.www.fox35orlando.com
Now, we all know NIL is recruiting inducements. But you can't put it in writing, or do what FSU did and leave an obvious trail.
We've always been an underdog. We have a losing record all time and rank 95 out of 131 in all time winning percentage. We have 1 conference championship that occurred when Franklin Delano Roosevelt was President and 0 national championships. We've won just over half the number of SEC games we've lost and have a losing record against all but 3 SEC schools.I always want State to win, but this environment is not to its benefit. I think it puts the University at an even more disadvantage that it was already. For me, I love to watch football, the game management and details of offense vs defense. Probably from coaching a lot of teams. I find that now I'll watch any teams games and am not "tied" to caring about State football any more or less than anyone else. It's a lot like watching NFL. I'd like for State to win, but probably not going to happen so why get too emotionally involved. And now the players are all free agents. I'd love for them to stick around and put down some roots at State so they can call it a home so I could get behind them and support them, but that's going to be a rare player these days. I don't think they are aware of what they are losing out on by moving so often. I also wonder how NFL talent evaluators see in a player that is willing to jump ship so quickly. Seems like it'd affect their draft stock. I know when I am reviewing resumes, one of the first things I look at is how long they have been willing to stay at each job.
Like many others have stated its not about the winning and losing, its about loyalty, respect for the school and fan base. If it was about winning/losing, I would have stopped being a fan decades agoWe've always been an underdog. We have a losing record all time and rank 95 out of 131 in all time winning percentage. We have 1 conference championship that occurred when Franklin Delano Roosevelt was President and 0 national championships. We've won just over half the number of SEC games we've lost and have a losing record against all but 3 SEC schools.
You picked now to detach?
The post I responded to said "It's a lot like watching NFL. I'd like for State to win, but probably not going to happen so why get too emotionally involved."Like many others have stated its not about the winning and losing, its about loyalty, respect for the school and fan base. If it was about winning/losing, I would have stopped being a fan decades ago
Here's the deal. I agree that players deserve a piece of the pie, but I hate the fact that the fans are expected to foot the bill with cash.![]()
Trying to make sense of NIL and the transfer portal, like it or not - Mississippi Today
College football has changed with name, image and likeness (NIL) and the transfer portal. Columnist Rick Cleveland shares his thoughts.mississippitoday.org
Really, it's like the players now have the opportunity to go out and generate their own pie. no one else in the ecosystem is getting a smaller piece.Here's the deal. I agree that players deserve a piece of the pie, but I hate the fact that the fans are expected to foot the bill with cash.
I question this. I really don't know that they do. MSU (in our case) is the brand, not the players. The only reason 99% the players command anything is because boosters want to win, NOT BECAUSE OF THEIR NAME/IMAGE/LIKENESS. Very few of these players actually have a brand worth paying for. I would argue that Livvy Dunne is about the only one, and she's now appearing on real commercials. The rest is done strictly so boosters can have a winning team. Who da fook is truly paying Jamonta Russell because he helps someone sell a few more hamburgers in Picayune? 17ing nobody in their right mind. True NIL affects very few players - Johnny Football types who truly have breakout crazy seasons as freshmen or sophomores, before they can go pro. Let's get real here. Players come and go, on a 4-5 year rotating basis - they don't deserve shlt unless they earn it on their own, not off my back.I agree that players deserve a piece of the pie,
and the schools keep all that tv money, March Madness money, ticket money, bowl money etc. Why do you think its illegal for schools and coaches to contribute to NIL funds? Simple, so they won't have to........I hate the fact that the fans are expected to foot the bill with cash.
The point is NCAA institutions have always been unable to follow their own rules and they continue to do so. They are the ones who sit down together and make the agreements, but then they just go out and bend and break those rules they just made. They lord over the system and decides who benefits and to what degree. Then, as through all of human history, the ones making the rules somehow manages to get most of the benefits and the ones doing the actual labor should just be happy with what they get. The players are just playing the game that has been setup for them.Bruce, I love ya man and I don't know what you do for a living but if you can say this with a straight face, you ought to be in politics.
That's right, they are. It isn't their game. The system is there because people care about their schools, not the players.The players are just playing the game that has been setup for them.
NIL was originally about....NIL. Seems to me the NCAA is smart. Players are getting paid, thus they are fat and happy. And the NCAA (and its schools) still get their TV money. I guarantee the schools are happy about this arrangement, and you know dang well they communicated this to the NCAA. I bet their relationship has never been better.NIL was originally about revenue sharing. The conferences and universities take in millions of dollars each year and the athletes weren't getting any of it. And due to the ineptitude of Emmert and his band of merry men in Indianapolis they still aren't. Instead, all of the financial load has been placed on the boosters backs. An organization that has an enforcement division for the sole premise of making sure players aren't paid by boosters created a scenario that by their lack of vision and outright stupidity ensures that boosters are openly paying players. Add in unlimited transfer and immediate eligibility and you've hit the trifecta of lunacy. I agree with Rick that players should be paid. But it should come from a percentage of the profits and proceeds of the universities. And then reinstitute the rule requiring transfers to sit for a year. That would cure most of the issues.
You don't win in the long term by alienating the customer. Short term maybe the universities are happy. When stadiums are half empty and tv revenues shrink we'll see who's happy.NIL was originally about....NIL. Seems to me the NCAA is smart. Players are getting paid, thus they are fat and happy. And the NCAA (and its schools) still get their TV money. I guarantee the schools are happy about this arrangement, and you know dang well they communicated this to the NCAA. I bet their relationship has never been better.
Where they messed up is allowing immediate transfer. But....still a minor inconvenience.
So again, until boosters get fed up, we're stuck with this system. And that will never happen because boosters are more concerned with beating their rivals, than creating a good system that ensures the game lives on.