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What "value" are they looking to add? I just don't get it. What is the end game?
 

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What "value" are they looking to add? I just don't get it. What is the end game?
Notre Dame is the end game. My guess is that they will look also to add both on the athletic (all sports) and academic sides.....on the east coast that would be schools like UVA, UNC, and Duke (sports history and large endowments and attract a lot of research money). Those schools add states that have large and growing populations and the DC market also.
 
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Notre Dame is the end game. My guess is that they will look also to add both on the athletic (all sports) and academic sides.....on the east coast that would be schools like UVA, UNC, and Duke (sports history and large endowments and attract a lot of research money). Those schools add states that have large and growing populations and the DC market also.
Likely candidates, my guess they would like to expand into the Southeast, so that just about almost any ACC school would be in consideration. If there is a group of two or three, which would accelerate the liquidation of the ACC, then the GOR will be of little or no longer an impediment.
 

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Likely candidates, my guess they would like to expand into the Southeast, so that just about almost any ACC school would be in consideration. If there is a group of two or three, which would accelerate the liquidation of the ACC, then the GOR will be of little or no longer an impediment.
I think they will hold firm on the AAU requirement (except for UND) due to the BTAA. That will limit who they can get out of the southeast to basically the three schools mentioned plus GaTech. The research aspect is much, much greater than the athletic money.
 

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Notre Dame is the end game. My guess is that they will look also to add both on the athletic (all sports) and academic sides.....on the east coast that would be schools like UVA, UNC, and Duke (sports history and large endowments and attract a lot of research money). Those schools add states that have large and growing populations and the DC market also.
They could do all that and still not touch the the SEC as the dominant conference.
 

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Notre Dame is the end game. My guess is that they will look also to add both on the athletic (all sports) and academic sides.....on the east coast that would be schools like UVA, UNC, and Duke (sports history and large endowments and attract a lot of research money). Those schools add states that have large and growing populations and the DC market also.

I guess I'm just not sure what the ultimate goal is. Is the Big 10 trying to put the SEC out of business? Is the SEC trying to put the Big 10 out of business? Obviously, neither will happen, so I'm just not seeing why there is so much clamor to expand. There just isn't a need for it other than to rake in more TV revenue (which I know is the goal), but I just don't see the end game of all the extra revenue. How much is going to be enough?
 

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I guess I'm just not sure what the ultimate goal is. Is the Big 10 trying to put the SEC out of business? Is the SEC trying to put the Big 10 out of business? Obviously, neither will happen, so I'm just not seeing why there is so much clamor to expand. There just isn't a need for it other than to rake in more TV revenue (which I know is the goal), but I just don't see the end game of all the extra revenue. How much is going to be enough?
I don't disagree....I would guess both conferences doing their best to keep ahead of the game, but who knows. If Notre Dame had joined the B1G years ago....they may have been completely satisfied to stand pat. I liked it at 12 teams and thought that may have been too much.
 
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I think they will hold firm on the AAU requirement (except for UND) due to the BTAA. That will limit who they can get out of the southeast to basically the three schools mentioned plus GaTech. The research aspect is much, much greater than the athletic money.
Although the AAU has always been a deciding requirement, getting a school from the state of Florida which opens a very big TV market and recruiting base may be too much of prize to pass up. With that said does the SEC become pre emptive (despite UF's objections) so as to block such a move.
At this point, I don't believe any scenario is completely off the table.
It will be interesting to see how the next 6-18 months play out.
 
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Although the AAU has always been a deciding requirement, getting a school from the state of Florida which opens a very big TV market and recruiting base may be too much of prize to pass up. With that said does the SEC become pre emptive (despite UF's objections) so as to block such a move.
At this point, I don't believe any scenario is completely off the table.
It will be interesting to see how the next 6-18 months play out.
Not that I think it would ever happen, the interesting scenario would be if the B1G sticks to the AAU requirement and still invites a Florida school. Would UF be enticed by and consider the impact of the billions in research money available?
 
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Not that I think it would ever happen, the interesting scenario would be if the B1G sticks to the AAU requirement and still invites a Florida school. Would UF be enticed by and consider the impact of the billions in research money available?
 
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Stankey had better be digging hard behind the scenes. Countermoves need to be at the ready, unless of course the SEC moves first. The pressure is on not to be outmaneuvered.
Eh, I don’t know. SEC is fine where it is, unless its just about bragging rights of who makes a few bucks more. Both will be massive.

Sankey is probably wise to sit back and wait a bit. Any school the SEC May want would still be on the table except maybe UNC and UVA. Those appear to be the only overlap on the wish list. If planting the SEC flag in those final two “southeastern” states is a priority to Sankey, then he might try to outmaneuver Warren. But my guess is the B1G is would be more likely to choose ND, Stanford, Oregon and Washington before looking southward.
 
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Eh, I don’t know. SEC is fine where it is, unless its just about bragging rights of who makes a few bucks more. Both will be massive.

Sankey is probably wise to sit back and wait a bit. Any school the SEC May want would still be on the table except maybe UNC and UVA. Those appear to be the only overlap on the wish list. If planting the SEC flag in those final two “southeastern” states is a priority to Sankey, then he might try to outmaneuver Warren. But my guess is the B1G is would be more likely to choose ND, Stanford, Oregon and Washington before looking southward.
The SEC is only fine where it is as long as the B1G sticks where it is. Copious amounts of money and influence are at stake. There's coming a time when the league that falls behind will forever be behind. That doesn't need to be the SEC.
 

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I noticed that Warren said that the Los Angeles area had the most Big 10 alumni outside the Midwest. He also said that the Big 10 was now in the the 3 largest markets.... New York, Chicago and Los Angeles. Warren is all about adding eyeballs. As Fred Sanford would say, Warren is no dummy. I hope Stankey is able to counter, at least somewhat. It's all about footprints.
 

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I noticed that Warren said that the Los Angeles area had the most Big 10 alumni outside the Midwest. He also said that the Big 10 was now in the the 3 largest markets.... New York, Chicago and Los Angeles. Warren is all about adding eyeballs. As Fred Sanford would say, Warren is no dummy. I hope Stankey is able to counter, at least somewhat. It's all about footprints.
But you have to have a product eyeballs want to watch.
 

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But you have to have a product eyeballs want to watch.
But, you do realize that very few teams are elite year in and year out. Hell, even Alabama, prior to Saban went through dry spells. And they might again after he retires. Usually, networks can count on in-state fans to watch in-state teams. I watched us play Texas A&M last year.
 

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But, you do realize that very few teams are elite year in and year out. Hell, even Alabama, prior to Saban went through dry spells. And they might again after he retires. Usually, networks can count on in-state fans to watch in-state teams. I watched us play Texas A&M last year.
No they have to count on one team rising as one team falls. People watch winners.
 

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No they have to count on one team rising as one team falls. People watch winners.
Not everyone is a winner all the time. That's life. These things often go in cycles. Ask FSU and Miami fans about that. But a core of fans will watch their teams no matter what.
 

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World is not burning, it’s changing. I don’t think the two conference system is a bad thing. Maybe for us but not the end product of college football.
Well, nothing will decrease overall interest in the end product of college football faster than booting a huge number of college football fanbases from the ranks of the P5. Once they no longer have a dog in the fight, they aren't going to tune in as often.
 

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That's right. No one goes up without someone else falling lower.

Some may be old enough to remember when the east was the best division in all of college football. Back then, a Bama game wasn't watched as much as the UF/Tenn games.
 
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Some may be old enough to remember when the east was the best division in all of college football. Back then, a Bama game wasn't watched as much as the UF/Tenn games.
That wasn't that long ago....and Spurrier and Fulmer poking at each other before the game was as much fun as the game itself.
 

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I don't disagree....I would guess both conferences doing their best to keep ahead of the game, but who knows. If Notre Dame had joined the B1G years ago....they may have been completely satisfied to stand pat. I liked it at 12 teams and thought that may have been too much.
Notre Dame had expressed interest in joining the B1G 95 years ago, but they were turned down because the are a Catholic school. Hard to imagine that today.
 
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As posted in previous threads, the traditional concept of an athletic conference is for like-minded schools in geographic proximity to band together in competition for league championships. Such has gone by the wayside in FBS over the past 20 years. I imagine that the traditional model will remain in FCS, D-II, D-II, and the NAIA, as there's not that many $$$ at stake.

Maybe I'll adopt Erskine. :unsure:;)
 
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Notre Dame had expressed interest in joining the B1G 95 years ago, but they were turned down because the are a Catholic school. Hard to imagine that today.
It was only a few years ago some P12 schools balked at bringing in Baylor because they were religious.

(Not sure if it was the official stance, but I remember reading about it, so it may have been one of those "anonymous sources" type of things.)
 

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Stankey had better be digging hard behind the scenes. Countermoves need to be at the ready, unless of course the SEC moves first. The pressure is on not to be outmaneuvered.
Then that leaves an obvious choice of which schools should be the next to be acquired.
 

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Of which conference are you referring to.
The Arizona schools could wind up in the Big 12 if a better conference doesn't coopt them first. Those schools are going to be worth having and the SEC needs to commit itself. If the SEC loses out there, then UNC becomes the must-have school from the ACC. If the B1G takes ND and UNC, and the SEC fails to get the Arizona schools, then I suspect the B1G will go around the SEC forever. Unlike the B1G's previous commissioner, their current commissioner has balls.
 
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Of which conference are you referring to.

King answered. No idea if the Arizona schools are being considered, just saw it posted here, and it seemed a decent idea.

Although to be fair, they don't fit my "eyeballs vs footprint" opinion.
 

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The Arizona schools could wind up in the Big 12 if a better conference doesn't coopt them first. Those schools are going to be worth having and the SEC needs to commit itself. If the SEC loses out there, then UNC becomes the must-have school from the ACC. If the B1G takes ND and UNC, and the SEC fails to get the Arizona schools, then I suspect the B1G will go around the SEC forever. Unlike the B1G's previous commissioner, their current commissioner has balls.
Prefer the SEC go west instead of north
 
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Notre Dame had expressed interest in joining the B1G 95 years ago, but they were turned down because the are a Catholic school. Hard to imagine that today.
I know the history and I believe it was the university president at either Indiana or Purdue that "blackballed" them.
 
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