B1G 10 could expand.
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Try this exercise:
Start by process of elimination, and not to be focused on the most obvious. Of course removing all bias against any and all schools will be required. It is paramount to keep in mind this is a cold and calculated business decision.
The answer should start becoming very obvious as to which schools should be the "FIRST" get, to keep the other conference at bay.
The schools in the Pacific NW will undoubtedly go to either the B1G, Big 12, or some reincarnation of the PAC 12.
It could happen, but it appears highly unlikely Cal/Stanford/Oregon/Washington will be a good fit for the SEC and vice versa.
If this gets to 24 teams per conference like some suspect, I have little doubt that those 4 schools will end up in the B1G. I was somewhat suprised that Stanford wasn't included with UCLA, but then I remembered the UND relationship with SoCal and it made more sense.
I’ve been saying that several times and ways. As another poster said, how is destroying other conferences going to be good for college football?
Or, on the other hand, they could unseat the SEC as the preeminent conference. Do you want to find out? The SEC has to keep pace. The future balance of power is at stake.
That's what I've done - precisely. I'm looking at brand recognition and TV marketability above all else. Whether or not I like a program is assigned no weight.
Depending on how big the two conferences get, it basically sets up a top 50 or so who replace the NCAA. The rest are G5 schools.
Great if you're one of the 50.
If it gets to that point, I still see 3 conferences of 24 schools each. SEC, B1G, and one other comprising schools from the 3 outgoing conferences. And before the it will be a weak conference is started, remember that Clemson and FSU came out of the ACC winning national championships. It can be done.
What as little as mid 40s. Conferences or total number of schools? If its the latter, the two big conferences are already at 16 schools each...thats only 4 more each. Too many good schools with large sports budgets remaining to go away.
Combine the SEC and the ACC, except for Notre Dame. Then have the Big 10 combine with the PAC 10 plus ND and be done with it. Then both can cannibalize the remaining P5 programs. I think that's the direction we are going. And I would be fine with that. Carolina would not be any worse off.
I wish it would be that neat. There's almost no chance it will fall that way.
That brings in to many leeches. That would never happen. A lot of those teams are going to be left out. I said mid 40’s that adds roughly 13 more teams. I’m their are not 13 teams left that are on the same playing field as the other. The fact of the matter is, the wake forest, Pitt, and teams on that level will be left out. That’s includes most of the remaining pac 12 and all but a hand full of the sec. College football is about to downsize and it’s much needed. Downsize to the teams that can legitimately compete for a title.
Hopefully this will lead to the end of playing cupcakes from division 2.
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I'm a firm believer that you need a certain number of leeches.
If you made a conference of the top 10 teams, that 10th team would have a terrible record even though they are one of the top teams in the country.
Not if the top ten are evenly matched. But I see your point. 10 vs 1 is more enjoyable to watch than 10 vs the citadel though.
If the Big 10 gets ND, in addition to SoCal, UM and OSU. That's a juggernaut of tv ratings not even the SEC can beat.
Football-wise, SEC is second to nobody, but in terms of national following, the SEC doesn't have a combination of teams that could compete with that.
Football-wise, SEC is second to nobody, but in terms of national following, the SEC doesn't have a combination of teams that could compete with that.
As far as football is concerned, nobody in the ACC holds a candle to SoCal, ND, UM or OSU in terms of national following. Not even close.
Maybe FSU 25 years ago.
I hope If ND is going to join the Big 10, they go ahead and do it very soon, in order to end this expansion madness. Do it so the SEC makes its choices, so we are done with it. Or maybe the SEC can go ahead first and get who they want. I cannot imagine going through this speculation every year.
Many in the south simply can't comprehend how big many of those schools are and how many graduates they put out each year. They are behemoths and they love their sports just as much as we do. Going to a football game at TOSU or Michigan in an experience....and not one that much different than UGA or UA.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.
Per several sources the ACC has 3 programs that rank anywhere from #12 through #22 in national branding.
One of course is Clemson, and despite recent downturns both FSU and Miami were in that group.
So those three and SoCal are indeed close in national following.
Two more to add Wisconsin and Penn St ( I can't stand PSU but it is what it is. )
Yes. OSU has nearly 20,000 more students than the largest SEC school.
Again, in terms of product on the field, SEC is king. SEC football is the standard.
But when you're considering national following, those 4 schools are a powerhouse.
I've seen Wisky at The Horseshoe but have never been there. Have a good friend who is a PSU alumnus and hope to make it up there one day. Another couple that have great experiences are Minnesota and Illinois....I was kind of surprised. About the only one that I have visited that I was disappointed in was Indiana....but they weren't doing so well that day. I love those old stadiums that many of the schools have.
Where are you getting this data. Maybe 40 years ago. Sure their market is big but people obviously don’t watch them. Look at the most watched football teams in the last 10 years and get back to me .
Apprently they don’t considering their tv ratings are not good. Having a large alumni base means nothing if they don’t watch you. This is also bigger than alumni. This is about who brings viewers nation wide. That’s the most watched teams.
The B1G does not have any problem with ratings. Their TV contract is already larger than the SECs and they have been negotiating a new one that is ridiculously high. Not sure that wasn't before the addition of SoCal and UCLA which would make if even larger. We get the B1G channel down here for free because there are so many alumni from those schools down here.
Your missing what I’m saying. So Cal and UCLA don’t even make the top 25 of most watched college football teams. It’s about eyes on the screen no? So teams that actually pull viewers instead of just having a large dead weight alumni that doesn’t watch would be more important no? People have to watch you to get high tv ratings correct? Just Because you have a large alumni doesn’t mean that you bring eyes to the tv.
I have no doubt that people will tune in to watch SoCal v. OSU or UCLA v Michigan or many other matchups. Interesting matchups make for huge numbers of viewers. Have you looked at the new B1G TV contract. When all is said and done, it is all about the money.
Going by average ratings over the last ten years I don’t buy it. Are they big draws yes but I don’t think they are any better than Clemson vs LSU or Florida state vs Alabama.
The new B1G commissioner is no fool.
Big Ten aims to have new media rights deal, worth up to $1 billion, in place around Memorial Day
The Big Ten has not yet decided whether to have one, two or more partners
www.cbssports.com
North Carolina is the most coveted brand, taking everything into account. And they have the biggest TV upside in terms of untapped market.
Certainly for basketball UNC is at the top of the food chain nationally. Football is the apparent driver for expansion though (at least, every article I read about expansion discusses in terms of football). To me, the UNC football brand doesn't add much.
He also made the following comments.The new B1G commissioner is no fool.
Big Ten aims to have new media rights deal, worth up to $1 billion, in place around Memorial Day
The Big Ten has not yet decided whether to have one, two or more partners
INDIANAPOLIS — Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren told Action Network there are “a handful of schools” besides Notre Dame that would add value as future Big Ten members.
The schools being considered by the Big Ten, sources told Action Network, are Notre Dame, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal, Miami and Florida State. Warren would not comment on specific schools as potential members.
Warren said he was proud that USC and UCLA are AAU (Association of American University) members but also said being an AAU member is not a requirement for a potential future member.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...up-to-1-billion-in-place-around-memorial-day/
Now that's interesting. That is a huge departure from their previous stance. They must seriously want to get into the Florida market.
That would certainly be a "shot across the bow"
I failed to add this to my post.
“Literally every Power Five conference school not in the SEC has reached out to the Big Ten,” a source said about schools wanting to join the conference. “University presidents, athletic directors, senior women administrators, you name it.”
That really doesn't surprise me, if they are willing to take non-AAU schools. Ten billion in research money annually goes a long way....assuming that all the new schools will all be members of the BTAA.
When I was more familiar with it, it was still the CIC. I don't know what changes were made with they spun off the CIC into the BTAA.
While I would agree with that, being THE university in the 9th largest state in the union counts for a lot, especially when you realize how much population that Big 10 schools encompass. Adding their basketball program to Kentucky's in the SEC is a really big bonus.....football or no football.
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