Beamer explains decision to allow Edmond to return

[18IsTheMan]

I'm still not in favor of taking guys back, but I guess if you're going to do it, this is the right approach.

“When I talked to him, he was very eager about getting back here. I tried to paint as ugly of a picture as I could. ‘There’s going to be guys in that locker room that are mad that you left and it’s going to take some time to rebuild that trust with them.’ He was adamant about wanting to. I said, ‘Emory Floyd is wearing No. 8, so you’re not getting No. 8, and I don’t have any cool number I can give you.’ He said, ‘Give me 55. That’s what they gave me when I started out as a player here as a freshman, and I want to come back and finish what I started.’ I said, ‘I don’t know what you were making from an NIL standpoint at Florida State, but you ain’t getting anything remotely close to that here. If you’re coming back here, it’s not for NIL reasons.’ And it’s not. I said, ‘That room is different than the one that you left. There’s only two guys in that edge room that you still know, and that’s Terrell Dawkins and Bryan Thomas, everyone else is new and it’s probably a better group than the one you left last year, so you’re going to have to compete to earn a role.’ He said, ‘Coach, I just want the opportunity to come back to South Carolina, to finish what I started back when I was a freshman.’

Shane Beamer explains difficult decision to allow Gilber Edmond to return

The decision wasn't an easy one for South Carolina head coach Shane Beamer.

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[18IsTheMan]

South Carolina's Shane Beamer tries to throw shade at FSU football

Shane Beamer tries to throw shade at FSU football with Gilber Edmond returning to the Gamecocks after at year at FSU.

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[Deleted11512]

South Carolina's Shane Beamer tries to throw shade at FSU football

Shane Beamer tries to throw shade at FSU football with Gilber Edmond returning to the Gamecocks after at year at FSU.

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lol...he all up in his feels.

 

[NYC_Gamecock]

The primary reason why Beamer accepted Edmond back is because we are terribly lacking in depth, experience, and talent at the Edge position. Let's cut the crap with this warm and fuzzy "feel good" story about welcoming back Edmond and what not. If our Edge unit was stacked with talent, Beamer would have hung up on Edmond's phone call.

 

[18IsTheMan]

lol...he all up in his feels.

I don't think Beamer was actually throwing shade at FSU. Probably just a PR move to explain taking Edmond back. From FSU's perspective, though, I can see how they might find it odd that a coach of a 5-7 team is saying players from their team that just went 14-1 left because they wanted to be here.

On the other hand, maybe he was throwing shade at FSU for the players they've picked off from our roster.

 

[18IsTheMan]

The primary reason why Beamer accepted Edmond back is because we are terribly lacking in depth, experience, and talent at the Edge position. Let's cut the crap with this warm and fuzzy "feel good" story about welcoming back Edmond and what not. If our Edge unit was stacked with talent, Beamer would have hung up on Edmond's phone call.

Well, yeah, that's true. He's only here b/c Beamer obviously thought we needed him, which says something.

 

[Deleted11512]

I don't think Beamer was actually throwing shade at FSU. Probably just a PR move to explain taking Edmond back. From FSU's perspective, though, I can see how they might find it odd that a coach of a 5-7 team is saying players from their team that just went 14-1 left because they wanted to be here.

On the other hand, maybe he was throwing shade at FSU for the players they've picked off from our roster.

I find it odd that they find it odd that people might not want to be there. The majority of their team didn't want to be there, as evidenced by their OB participation. Gilber left b/c they were going to pay him more money. Period. They celebrated it. They bragged about picking off a 4* started DE from a SEC school. It was used to push a narrative that we were getting decimated in the portal when in reality, it wasn't a big loss...proven by how little he played at FSU. He's a depth guy. I said that last year and was jumped on for downplaying everyone that leaves. Sometimes it's just the truth. He's not going to start here. But he'll contribute.

 

[Deleted11512]

Well, yeah, that's true. He's only here b/c Beamer obviously thought we needed him, which says something.

2 years ago he was a starter. He's going to be fighting for any PT this year. That's a step in the right direction.

 

[Big JC]

Non story in my opinion. Position needs depth and Edmond filled a space. Edmond went to FSU and found out he wasn't as good as he thought he was and realized he needed to get out of Tallahassee if he wanted to play more. He saw that SC wasn't loaded at his position and it looked like a good opportunity. Beamer played it the way he had to and managed to pick up a body in the edge room. Win/win for everybody.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

I'm still not in favor of taking guys back, but I guess if you're going to do it, this is the right approach.

“ I said, ‘I don’t know what you were making from an NIL standpoint at Florida State, but you ain’t getting anything remotely close to that here. If you’re coming back here, it’s not for NIL reasons.’

So did anyone else pick up on this. So many questions left unanswered. Assuming of course this conversation happened as is being told.
True Statement ?
Playing Head Games ?
Does this apply just to him or across the board to all players ?

 

[Deleted11512]

So did anyone else pick up on this. So many questions left unanswered. Assuming of course this conversation happened as is being told.
True Statement ?
Playing Head Games ?
Does this apply just to him or across the board to all players ?

Not sure. JC said on his show that GE isn't getting any NIL to come back. Hopefully it would apply to everyone...as in, we spent your NIL on your replacement(s). Sounds like Beamer handled it about as well as you could.

 

[Prestonyte]

So did anyone else pick up on this. So many questions left unanswered. Assuming of course this conversation happened as is being told.
True Statement ?
Playing Head Games ?
Does this apply just to him or across the board to all players ?

Good questions.
Another one, why do you want to be in the same back-up role at SC instead of at FSU and also give up NIL money to do so?

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Not sure. JC said on his show that GE isn't getting any NIL to come back. Hopefully it would apply to everyone...as in, we spent your NIL on your replacement(s). Sounds like Beamer handled it about as well as you could.

Or another interpretation, "We can't compete with NIL monies at most other schools"

 

[Uscg1984]

Well, yeah, that's true. He's only here b/c Beamer obviously thought we needed him, which says something.

But isn't that assumed? I hope we're not giving scholarships to guys we don't need.

 

[18IsTheMan]

But isn't that assumed? I hope we're not giving scholarships to guys we don't need.

You have to wonder sometimes.

 

[ToddFlanders]

I like the kid's attitude upon returning. He says all the right things - now to see if that translates to the field (and if he's giving 100% each day even if he might not be starting from day 1).

 

[Deleted11512]

Or another interpretation, "We can't compete with NIL monies at most other schools"

Not sure that applies to this kind of situation.

I think our NIL “woes” are greatly exaggerated, and whatever woes we do have are likely self inflicted. I keep seeing how schools like Ole Miss are killing us in NIL. If that were true wouldn’t they be killing us in recruiting??

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Not sure that applies to this kind of situation.

I think our NIL “woes” are greatly exaggerated, Why So ? and whatever woes we do have are likely self inflicted How So ?. I keep seeing how schools like Ole Miss are killing us in NIL. If that were true wouldn’t they be killing us in recruiting?? Not necessarily, having the money is one thing, but many schools may be better positioned to make better offers to their targets.

 

[Big JC]

Not sure that applies to this kind of situation.

I think our NIL “woes” are greatly exaggerated, and whatever woes we do have are likely self inflicted. I keep seeing how schools like Ole Miss are killing us in NIL. If that were true wouldn’t they be killing us in recruiting??

I don't think lack of NIL money is a real problem. The hard truth is; SC is not a desirable destination for top talent recruits. We are a .500 program historically. Our campus isn't anything special in a city that really isn't anything special. Our facilities are no better than anywhere else. Our stadium is a good ways off campus. We are not in the top 20 of schools with players in the NFL and our "brand" isn't really very cool nationwide.

 

[Prestonyte]

I don't think lack of NIL money is a real problem. The hard truth is; SC is not a desirable destination for top talent recruits. We are a .500 program historically. Our campus isn't anything special in a city that really isn't anything special. Our facilities are no better than anywhere else. Our stadium is a good ways off campus. We are not in the top 20 of schools with players in the NFL and our "brand" isn't really very cool nationwide.

If you really want to cover all our negatives, you need to add Columbia is HOT as h#ll in summer.

 

[FootballLVR]

I don't think lack of NIL money is a real problem. The hard truth is; SC is not a desirable destination for top talent recruits. We are a .500 program historically. Our campus isn't anything special in a city that really isn't anything special. Our facilities are no better than anywhere else. Our stadium is a good ways off campus. We are not in the top 20 of schools with players in the NFL and our "brand" isn't really very cool nationwide.

While I agree with you on most of that, SC IS desirable for some folks. Some folks want to be a part of building something special. Why not here? You didn't really say anything that wasn't factual. However, I would prepare to be blasted by some here.

 

[Big JC]

If you really want to cover all our negatives, you need to add Columbia is HOT as h#ll in summer.

Not so much negatives as the realities. Some fans imagine that NIL is a major issue and it is not. We weren't exactly raking in top classes pre NIL.

Yes, Columbia in summer is brutal.

 

[Deleted11512]

Not so much negatives as the realities. Some fans imagine that NIL is a major issue and it is not. We weren't exactly raking in top classes pre NIL.

Yes, Columbia in summer is brutal.

I tend to agree with you more on this. We got 99 problems but NIL ain’t one.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

I don't think lack of NIL money is a real problem. The hard truth is; SC is not a desirable destination for top talent recruits. We are a .500 program historically. Our campus isn't anything special in a city that really isn't anything special. Our facilities are no better than anywhere else. Our stadium is a good ways off campus. We are not in the top 20 of schools with players in the NFL and our "brand" isn't really very cool nationwide.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I don't think lack of NIL money is a real problem. The hard truth is; SC is not a desirable destination for top talent recruits. We are a .500 program historically. Our campus isn't anything special in a city that really isn't anything special. Our facilities are no better than anywhere else. Our stadium is a good ways off campus. We are not in the top 20 of schools with players in the NFL and our "brand" isn't really very cool nationwide.

What might have been? When we had SOS along with Clowney and Lattimore and guys like Alshon, we could have made a move. Spurrier, obviously, was a brand. Lattimore had wide national recognition. Clowney was considered the best high school prospect ever. With a more robust recruiting effort, we could have capitalized.

Take out Rattler and who have we had since then that was widely nationally known?

 

[Big JC]

What might have been? When we had SOS along with Clowney and Lattimore and guys like Alshon, we could have made a move. Spurrier, obviously, was a brand. Lattimore had wide national recognition. Clowney was considered the best high school prospect ever. With a more robust recruiting effort, we could have capitalized.

Take out Rattler and who have we had since then that was widely nationally known?

Spurrier was a famously lazy recruiter. Even when he was at UF he was known as being very poor at recruiting, he didn't like it and didn't do it much.
Lattimore was a flash in the pan due to injury. He was great but he was one RB that was great. There wasn't any sort of tradition or history of SC producing great RBs. Clowney as a freshman and sophomore was a beast and a media darling but he pretty well sat himself his junior year to stay healthy for the draft. I can't really blame him for that either. Ingram and Clowney were both as good as they come but, again, they were sort of outliers in the history of DL at SC. There were three years or so where we had a stacked roster but it was pretty much a mile wide and an inch deep. Once those players left things went back to pretty much the way they had always been.

Rattler's national prominence was as much a function of his freshman year at OK and the Heisman talk as anything he did at SC. Spurrier quitting mid season didn't do us any favors in recruiting or in how players viewed us. Muschamp was supposed to be a great recruiter and I think he worked hard at it but he didn't really pull any big names. Beamer was also supposed to be a great recruiter but we are still about where we historically have been in recruiting rankings.

Your post in another thread about being cursed may have some merit.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Spurrier was a famously lazy recruiter. Even when he was at UF he was known as being very poor at recruiting, he didn't like it and didn't do it much.
Lattimore was a flash in the pan due to injury. He was great but he was one RB that was great. There wasn't any sort of tradition or history of SC producing great RBs. Clowney as a freshman and sophomore was a beast and a media darling but he pretty well sat himself his junior year to stay healthy for the draft. I can't really blame him for that either. Ingram and Clowney were both as good as they come but, again, they were sort of outliers in the history of DL at SC. There were three years or so where we had a stacked roster but it was pretty much a mile wide and an inch deep. Once those players left things went back to pretty much the way they had always been.

Rattler's national prominence was as much a function of his freshman year at OK and the Heisman talk as anything he did at SC. Spurrier quitting mid season didn't do us any favors in recruiting or in how players viewed us. Muschamp was supposed to be a great recruiter and I think he worked hard at it but he didn't really pull any big names. Beamer was also supposed to be a great recruiter but we are still about where we historically have been in recruiting rankings.

Your post in another thread about being cursed may have some merit.

I guess I was just getting at the fact that, for a time, we were in, or very close to being in the national spotlight due to Spurrier being our coach and having several players who were nationally known. Everyone who followed college football knew Lattimore, Clowney and Alshon. Throw in guys like Swearinger and Gilmore who were widely known. That's rarified air for us.

With a better effort, we could have capitalized on that.

 

[Deleted11512]

While I agree with you on most of that, SC IS desirable for some folks. Some folks want to be a part of building something special. Why not here? You didn't really say anything that wasn't factual. However, I would prepare to be blasted by some here.

It was certainly desirable to Pete Lembo. If you don’t think this place is special, and don’t think Shane is special, listen to this.

Edit: that wasn’t directed to you…just a general comment.

 

[Deleted11512]

Bc we’re constantly told we can’t compete with programs like Ole Miss, but they don’t get any more big time players than we do. We’re told NIL rules all, and we suck at it and our program is doomed. Funny, our recruiting hasn’t dipped. If anything we’re getting more big time players now than we ever have.

We put all our eggs in Park Avenue’s basket. My guess is that’s because RT didn’t want to see his budget shrink. RTs comments about NIL just being another choice donors have to make lead me to believe he wasn’t pushing early on. There is a finite amount of money. It just seems to me some ADs have jumped head first into it, knowing they’ll take a hit on the AD side….like Ole Miss. it will be interesting to see the numbers on these AD YOY donations.

Im just saying, OM doesn’t have any more big time guys than we do.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Bc we’re constantly told we can’t compete with programs like Ole Miss, but they don’t get any more big time players than we do. We’re told NIL rules all, and we suck at it and our program is doomed. Funny, our recruiting hasn’t dipped. If anything we’re getting more big time players now than we ever have.

We put all our eggs in Park Avenue’s basket. My guess is that’s because RT didn’t want to see his budget shrink. RTs comments about NIL just being another choice donors have to make lead me to believe he wasn’t pushing early on. There is a finite amount of money. It just seems to me some ADs have jumped head first into it, knowing they’ll take a hit on the AD side….like Ole Miss. it will be interesting to see the numbers on these AD YOY donations.

Im just saying, OM doesn’t have any more big time guys than we do.

Constant comparisons to just one institution (in your case Ole Miss)does not dismiss the current/constant narrative that there are problems with our NIL resources and these issues are self inflicted (as you suggested)
One can always find an example that is worse than your own situation.
I feel certain most on here would rather hear that our situation is improving and hear the steps being taken to make those improvements.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It was certainly desirable to Pete Lembo. If you don’t think this place is special, and don’t think Shane is special, listen to this.

Edit: that wasn’t directed to you…just a general comment.

I saw that, and it was very heartfelt.

At the end of the day, though, all that matters is wins and losses.

Ideally, it could be a special place AND a winning place. But if I can only choose one, I choose a winning place.

I'm a Beamer fan and advocate (as evidenced by my arguments to extend him to 10 years).

 

[Deleted11512]

Constant comparisons to just one institution (in your case Ole Miss)does not dismiss the current/constant narrative that there are problems with our NIL resources and these issues are self inflicted (as you suggested)
One can always find an example that is worse than your own situation.
I feel certain most on here would rather hear that our situation is improving and hear the steps being taken to make those improvements.

That's the easier comp bc it's the most talked about. The Grove Collective is one of the more braggy ones out there, and they get a lot of press. But we're led to believe we're dead last in NIL in the SEC. So take your pick...Ark, Mizzou, UK, OM, even Vandy have more than us? I would absolutely love to hear about all the improvements made. Fear is a helluva fundraiser though.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Well here is a chink in the armor for the argument "Ole Miss doesn't get that many big name players compared to us"
Just picked up 2 of the best OL in CFB

Ole Miss gets commitments from former Washington OL Nate Kalepo and Julius Buelow, two of nation’s best linemen​

https://therebelwalk.com/2024/01/bi...nd-julius-buelow-two-of-nations-best-linemen/

 

[18IsTheMan]

Well here is a chink in the armor for the argument "Ole Miss doesn't get that many big name players compared to us"
Just picked up the 2 of the best OL in CFB

Ole Miss gets commitments from former Washington OL Nate Kalepo and Julius Buelow, two of nation’s best linemen​

https://therebelwalk.com/2024/01/bi...nd-julius-buelow-two-of-nations-best-linemen/

Who made that argument? Ole Miss has picked up the #s 2, 11 and 21 ranked players in the portal. The highest we have is #46.

 

[Deleted11512]

Well here is a chink in the armor for the argument "Ole Miss doesn't get that many big name players compared to us"
Just picked up the 2 of the best OL in CFB

Ole Miss gets commitments from former Washington OL Nate Kalepo and Julius Buelow, two of nation’s best linemen​

https://therebelwalk.com/2024/01/bi...nd-julius-buelow-two-of-nations-best-linemen/

Sure, there will be times where they might get a couple more than us. There will be times we get a couple more than them. That's not my point. My point is there isn't a material difference in the recruiting, but we're sold a tale that there is a huge gap between us in NIL. For the 2023 class they were a whopping .86 points ahead of us in the rankings...they were 17 we were 18 in the 247 combined rankings. Who knows...portal season won't be done for a while, so they may grab a handful more and blow us out of the water. Again, that's just one comp. What about Mizzou? What about Ark? What about UK?

 

[Deleted11512]

Who made that argument? Ole Miss has picked up the #s 2, 11 and 21 ranked players in the portal. The highest we have is #46.

I'm looking at their overall recruiting. It's right around where ours is.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Who made that argument? Ole Miss has picked up the #s 2, 11 and 21 ranked players in the portal. The highest we have is #46.

As of today Ole Miss is ranked #1 in the transfer portal standings. TIFWIW.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Sure, there will be times where they might get a couple more than us. There will be times we get a couple more than them. That's not my point. My point is there isn't a material difference in the recruiting, but we're sold a tale that there is a huge gap between us in NIL. For the 2023 class they were a whopping .86 points ahead of us in the rankings...they were 17 we were 18 in the 247 combined rankings. Who knows...portal season won't be done for a while, so they may grab a handful more and blow us out of the water. Again, that's just one comp. What about Mizzou? What about Ark? What about UK?

Alright, I'll play.
What about them ?

 

[Deleted11512]

Alright, I'll play.
What about them ?

We're allegedly behind them in NIL as well. Where are all the highly rated guys there bringing in over us?

 

[18IsTheMan]

We're allegedly behind them in NIL as well. Where are all the highly rated guys there bringing in over us?

Who has said we are behind Mizzou, Arkansas and UK in NIL?

As far as I know, nobody knows anything about anyone's NIL efforts since none of that information is ever made public.

I assume NIL is like most other things are about middle of the pack in the SEC.