Beamer is right about one thing

[Piscis]

You can't have 13 penalties in a game and expect to win.

The horse collar call was absolutely correct. The hit on the qb was totally unnecessary and Kennard knew he had screwed up when he did it.

Keep in mind, Carolina still had the lead and the ball relatively late in the fourth after the roughing the passer call. LSU drove the field and scored a td. If the offense manages a couple first downs I doubt LSU has time to drive the field and score a td.

Blaming the officials for a loss is loser mentality.

 

[Guy in the Back]

I don’t blame the officials. We had plenty of opportunities to put them away.

However, I do think the PF on Kennard was bogus and most likely changed the outcome despite our issues.

it was most likely an unnecessary block, but go back and look at it. It was post interception and he was moving towards NE (I don’t believe he get in there to be a part of the play, but he is still in pursuit). On top of that, he pushed him down, didn’t hit him.

 

[Evilchicken]

You guys are forgetting the phantom offensive pass interference that negated a huge gain and other **** calls. The refs absolutely inserted themselves into this game.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

When the officials have a starring role in ANY game there is a problem.
There are some calls that must be made.
But there are others ''which have no impact on the outcome of the play'' where the officials have to have some restraint and keep the flag in the pocket and swallow the whistle.

 

[ThinnyJ]

Worst officiated game I've personally ever seen

 

[Coastal Gamecock]

Worst officiated game I've personally ever seen

Same

 

[uscjunkie]

You guys are forgetting the phantom offensive pass interference that negated a huge gain and other **** calls. The refs absolutely inserted themselves into this game.

Of all the BS, this is the one I can't find any evidence of happening.

 

[Hoganman1]

Granted we made a lot of mistakes that took points and potential points off the board. However I thought we played pretty well and had a chance to win even after giving up a three score lead and losing our quarterback. It was very disappointing because after Akron things get really tough. I think we will have a shot at winning more games than predicted if LaNorris is OK and the defense continues to play well.
Anyway this game was very entertaining and had almost everything including a blocked punt, a goal line stand and two pick sixes (though they both were negated by penalties). My favorite was the untouched 75 yard run which was the longest touchdown by a qb in Gamecock history.

 

[18IsTheMan]

You can't have 13 penalties in a game and expect to win.

The horse collar call was absolutely correct. The hit on the qb was totally unnecessary and Kennard knew he had screwed up when he did it.

Keep in mind, Carolina still had the lead and the ball relatively late in the fourth after the roughing the passer call. LSU drove the field and scored a td. If the offense manages a couple first downs I doubt LSU has time to drive the field and score a td.

Blaming the officials for a loss is loser mentality.

Yeah, definitely issues with penalties and such, but you’re right if we could’ve mustered a couple first downs that probably takes care of it.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Yeah, definitely issues with penalties and such, but you’re right if we could’ve mustered a couple first downs that probably takes care of it.

Could have gone the option route with Ashford and Sanders

 

[KingWard]

You can't have 13 penalties in a game and expect to win.

The horse collar call was absolutely correct. The hit on the qb was totally unnecessary and Kennard knew he had screwed up when he did it.

Keep in mind, Carolina still had the lead and the ball relatively late in the fourth after the roughing the passer call. LSU drove the field and scored a td. If the offense manages a couple first downs I doubt LSU has time to drive the field and score a td.

Blaming the officials for a loss is loser mentality.

I actually thought the Kennard hit was a momentum thing more than something deliberate, but it's not something I would quibble over. They're starting to protect quarterbacks in college about the way they do in the pros. Quarterbacks are only quasi football players now at both levels. They might as well put flags on them.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I actually thought the Kennard hit was a momentum thing more than something deliberate, but it's not something I would quibble over. They're starting to protect quarterbacks in college about the way they do in the pros. Quarterbacks are only quasi football players now at both levels. They might as well put flags on them.

Or make them wear dresses.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I actually thought the Kennard hit was a momentum thing more than something deliberate, but it's not something I would quibble over. They're starting to protect quarterbacks in college about the way they do in the pros. Quarterbacks are only quasi football players now at both levels. They might as well put flags on them.

Thing for me is it was totally unnecessary. The play was already heading the other way and the QB was a non-factor. Lenard came back to push him from behind.

 

[jasonscottinsc]

You can't have 13 penalties in a game and expect to win.

The horse collar call was absolutely correct. The hit on the qb was totally unnecessary and Kennard knew he had screwed up when he did it.

Keep in mind, Carolina still had the lead and the ball relatively late in the fourth after the roughing the passer call. LSU drove the field and scored a td. If the offense manages a couple first downs I doubt LSU has time to drive the field and score a td.

Blaming the officials for a loss is loser mentality.

I thought the horsecollar was wrong. He pulled him by the jersey not the back of the should pad/neck. I didn't think that qualified. I did not understand the offensive pass interference either. That seemed bogus.

With that being said, they had a chance to beat a good team and made a lot of mistakes: missed tackles, missed open receivers with passes, and having your 2nd string QB in the second half didn't help. He's not good.

Also gotta put some blame on the coaches:
1) 1st qtr - USC defense dominates. We go up 17-0 and we start the next possession by only rushing 3 the first few plays after dominating the previous 2 possessions with blitzes and 4 down lineman. Why change?
2) After Sanders has his 60 yard TD run, next possession we go 3 and out and Sanders doesn't touch the ball on any of the 3 plays. We had several drives earlier where he wasn't even in. PLAY YOUR BEST GUY!!!!

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Thing for me is it was totally unnecessary. The play was already heading the other way and the QB was a non-factor. Lenard came back to push him from behind.

The infraction had no impact on the outcome of the play, but the flag had a major impact on the outcome of the game.
This is where an experienced and judicious official makes a judgement not to make himself a deciding factor in a game and refrains from throwing a flag. If the block impacted the outcome, of the play throw the flag but this was clearly not the case here.
The official determined the outcome of the game and not the play itself. This should not happen.

 

[Lurker123]

The infraction had no impact on the outcome of the play, but the flag had a major impact on the outcome of the game.
This is where an experienced and judicious official makes a judgement not to make himself a deciding factor in a game and refrains from throwing a flag. If the block impacted the outcome, of the play throw the flag but this was clearly not the case here.
The official determined the outcome of the game and not the play itself. This should not happen.

I would agree for any other player than the qb. Its a difficult mental excercise, but imagine if the roles were reversed. We would be happy with that call.

The truth is, as someone else pointed out, they are going to protect qb's more and more. An INT used to be a free hit on the qb, its not anymore.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

I would agree for any other player than the qb. Its a difficult mental excercise, but imagine if the roles were reversed. We would be happy with that call.

The truth is, as someone else pointed out, they are going to protect qb's more and more. An INT used to be a free hit on the qb, its not anymore.

So, if he were close to being able to tackle Nick, we are not allowed to block him because he is the QB.
If Kennard had crushed him with a block, I would understand but again I think it is a judgement by the official if he wants to be the deciding factor in the game rather than the play itself. I doubt a no call there would have raised any eyebrows.
I'm sure LSU is happy with the call. It saved the game for them

 

[Lurker123]

So, if he were close to being able to tackle Nick, we are not allowed to block him because he is the QB.
If Kennard had crushed him with a block, I would understand but again I think it is a judgement by the official if he wants to be the deciding factor in the game rather than the play itself. I doubt a no call there would have raised any eyebrows.
I'm sure LSU is happy with the call. It saved the game for them

Possibly. But that brings up a counterpoint. If he was no where close to being near a tackle, why lay him out?

And then we're at the totally subjective argument of whether they "laid the qb out" or how hard they hit him.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Possibly. But that brings up a counterpoint. If he was no where close to being near a tackle, why lay him out?

And then we're at the totally subjective argument of whether they "laid the qb out" or how hard they hit him.

It's a fine line but I much prefer the players to decide the game rather than the officials.
The officials have done a good job when nobody remembers or talks about them when the game is over.

 

[Slim Chickens Gamecock]

You can't have 13 penalties in a game and expect to win.

The horse collar call was absolutely correct. The hit on the qb was totally unnecessary and Kennard knew he had screwed up when he did it.

Keep in mind, Carolina still had the lead and the ball relatively late in the fourth after the roughing the passer call. LSU drove the field and scored a td. If the offense manages a couple first downs I doubt LSU has time to drive the field and score a td.

Blaming the officials for a loss is loser mentality.

We had a tremendous amount of “balls bounce our way calls”. The tiny push on the QB is BS call. It erased the win on my opinion. Wtf call. LSU friend of mine texted and said he adjusted the horse shoe in his *** on that call.

 

[kidrobinski]

You guys are forgetting the phantom offensive pass interference that negated a huge gain and other **** calls. The refs absolutely inserted themselves into this game.

My son and I were at the game. That flag was indeed a weird one, among many. Many times both single and multiple flags thrown at different parts of the field and then picked up with no explanation. After every ‘penalty’ the officials would huddle as a group and have a friggin 60 second pow wow. It was an uneasy game for sure.

 

[kidrobinski]

Thing for me is it was totally unnecessary. The play was already heading the other way and the QB was a non-factor. Lenard came back to push him from behind.

I take it you never played football if you believe that’s what’s going through players heads on the field in that situation. At worst it was a judgement call by the official made based on what he felt was appropriate at the time. Given the rest of the game, ‘appropriate’ comes into question. If you think that call is made in Baton Rouge with the teams reversed you are mistaken. If the teams are reversed I’m not sure it’s made in w-b yesterday either.

 

[kidrobinski]

I thought the horsecollar was wrong. He pulled him by the jersey not the back of the should pad/neck. I didn't think that qualified. I did not understand the offensive pass interference either. That seemed bogus.

With that being said, they had a chance to beat a good team and made a lot of mistakes: missed tackles, missed open receivers with passes, and having your 2nd string QB in the second half didn't help. He's not good.

Also gotta put some blame on the coaches:
1) 1st qtr - USC defense dominates. We go up 17-0 and we start the next possession by only rushing 3 the first few plays after dominating the previous 2 possessions with blitzes and 4 down lineman. Why change?
2) After Sanders has his 60 yard TD run, next possession we go 3 and out and Sanders doesn't touch the ball on any of the 3 plays. We had several drives earlier where he wasn't even in. PLAY YOUR BEST GUY!!!!

The ‘horse collar’ was right in front of me, was most definitely jersey; that was a poor poor call and set the tone for the rest of the game.

The defensive change was a puzzler for sure, and frustrating to watch the results.

 

[Thunderstick]

…Blaming the officials for a loss is loser mentality.

Agree.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

I take it you never played football if you believe that’s what’s going through players heads on the field in that situation. At worst it was a judgement call by the official made based on what he felt was appropriate at the time. Given the rest of the game, ‘appropriate’ comes into question. If you think that call is made in Baton Rouge with the teams reversed you are mistaken. If the teams are reversed I’m not sure it’s made in w-b yesterday either.

Exactly. Sometimes the flag stays in the pocket. No Harm No Foul! It did not impact the play itself!

 

[Blues man]

I actually thought the Kennard hit was a momentum thing more than something deliberate, but it's not something I would quibble over. They're starting to protect quarterbacks in college about the way they do in the pros. Quarterbacks are only quasi football players now at both levels. They might as well put flags on them.

What you definitely don't want to do is immediately after making a hit, hold your hands up in the air as if you didn't think you did anything wrong. If that doesn't make one look guilty I dont know what else would.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

What you definitely don't want to do is immediately after making a hit, hold your hands up in the air as if you didn't think you did anything wrong. If that doesn't make one look guilty I dont know what else would.

That flag was coming anyway.

 

[USCEE82]

Horse collar tackle penalty includes collar of jersey.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Possibly. But that brings up a counterpoint. If he was no where close to being near a tackle, why lay him out?

And then we're at the totally subjective argument of whether they "laid the qb out" or how hard they hit him.

I think we would all agree it was a pretty sloppy game by the refs, but the thing I come back to is, what was the point of even touching the quarterback? He was no threat at all to tackle Nick so why bother?

 

[18IsTheMan]

That flag was coming anyway.

Weren’t there multiple flags?

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Weren’t there multiple flags?

A lot of times it seemed that all it took for a flag was to make a good play.

 

[Lurker123]

I think we would all agree it was a pretty sloppy game by the refs, but the thing I come back to is, what was the point of even touching the quarterback? He was no threat at all to tackle Nick so why bother?

In days gone by, it was an opportunity for a free hit on the qb. I think those days are gone though, and players all over need to learn that.

 

[Blues man]

That flag was coming anyway.

clearly he was expecting one.

 

[uscjunkie]

Possibly. But that brings up a counterpoint. If he was no where close to being near a tackle, why lay him out?

And then we're at the totally subjective argument of whether they "laid the qb out" or how hard they hit him.

You don't understand football. Beamer said himself that they teach to find the QB first after an interception. Sounds to me he did EXACTLY what he was taught to do!

 

[bayrooster]

Horse collar tackle penalty includes collar of jersey.

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He definitely didn't pull him down by the inside collar of his jersey.

 

[uscjunkie]

My son and I were at the game. That flag was indeed a weird one, among many. Many times both single and multiple flags thrown at different parts of the field and then picked up with no explanation. After every ‘penalty’ the officials would huddle as a group and have a friggin 60 second pow wow. It was an uneasy game for sure.

I kept noticing this as well. Felt odd to me at the time that they always needed group huddles that took so long.

 

[Lurker123]

You don't understand football. Beamer said himself that they teach to find the QB first after an interception. Sounds to me he did EXACTLY what he was taught to do!

So he was taught to get a 15 yard penalty after an INT?

I addressed this in a later post:


In days gone by, it was an opportunity for a free hit on the qb. I think those days are gone though, and players all over need to learn that.

So go tell someone else about how you understand football.

 

[THEusccocks]

I kept noticing this as well. Felt odd to me at the time that they always needed group huddles that took so long.

That was weird. Definitely stood out. Of course in every game there are calls where the refs have to have a discussion, but there are also usually calls that are straightforward and quick. It seemed every penalty involved a long group discussion before a decision was rendered.

 

[uscjunkie]

So he was taught to get a 15 yard penalty after an INT?

I addressed this in a later post:


In days gone by, it was an opportunity for a free hit on the qb. I think those days are gone though, and players all over need to learn that.

So go tell someone else about how you understand football.

That is the point....what he did wasn't wrong! So he did what he was taught and horrible officiating took over!

 

[uscjunkie]

That was weird. Definitely stood out. Of course in every game there are calls where the refs have to have a discussion, but there are also usually calls that are straightforward and quick. It seemed every penalty involved a long group discussion before a decision was rendered.

Yea every aspect of this game has a foul odor to it!