Beamer is right about one thing
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It wasn't wrong years ago. Qb's are protected more now.
But the refs conspiring against us does sound a lot better.
So a qb that throws a pick can make a tackle but a defender has to be gentle with how he keeps the qb from doing so.
South Carolina is not a national ‘brand’ as is LSU. The brands will get and have always gotten the benefit of the doubt; such is life. The officials don’t conspire, they mostly take the safer route.
Would he have been flagged if the qb was anywhere near making a tackle while he blocked him?
I get favoritism, and I agree a lot of times.
You are going off hindsight. How does Kinard know that maybe the ball carrier doesn't cut back or do any number of things. He can't predict the future. He was 100% right to block him! Not his fault the LSU QB was a flopping girl!
That 4th down & short call during Outback bowl has to rank as top 3 in all time bogus calls in history of college football. Ref called 1st down when clearly we held them, everyone on the planet could see due to TV being zoomed into the ball short of the marker but, the ref, standing over the chain insisted 1st down. At that moment, OBC was at his best! Visor went sailing.
Overruled & we got the ball.
Overruled & we got the ball.
Oh okay, that seals it then. Please go explain to the refs. Maybe they'll take back the flag.
If you're talking about against Michigan, it wasn't overruled. They kept the ball. Clowney took it back in the next play.
That game was the first and only game where I saw officials cover their mouths when talking with each other like baseball players.
"Horse collar" is any tackle that pulls a player with the ball down from behind. It doesn't have to be grabbing the shoulder pads, the jersey counts too.
The jersey counting is a new, recent modification. But it does exist.
I've seen it called a lot. If a defender grabs a runner's jersey anywhere above the numbers from behind and tackles him if is going to be called a horse collar tackle.
It looked to me live like he grabbed his sleeve. I haven't been able to allow myself to rewatch the game yet.
By definition, it was not horse collar, as it as not inside the collar. However, live action, a ref is going to call that every time because it's too hard to tell.
Would be good to have instant replay available for plays like that.
If he was taught to do that then we are in for more penalties of the type in the future. It was a stupid move.
JF
Yes. And strictly speaking the call was correct. However, the intent was/is to prevent a whiplash effect to prevent neck injury. On that particular play he grabbed the jersey in the shoulder area. No risk of injury. I'd guess it isn't called more than 50% of the time. If it wasn't a pick 6 or if LSU did it to us, do you think they still throw the flag? I don't.
The rule specifies that the player has to be grabbed inside the collar
This is where quick consult with a review official would help. It wouldn't take 20 seconds to radio up and say "can you confirm a horse collar on ______" and get the result back. Then they can just say "There is no penalty for horse collar on the previous play. The defender did not grab inside the collar."
BS!!! Saturday's game was not played in the vacuum that you conveniently created for this troll post. We did "manage" to get some huge first downs, many of which were called back, not the least of which was an OPI that cost us 57 yards of field position. Your "loser mentality" comment is a slap in the face of everyone, including the fans who put their effort, heart and soul into that game. Screw you and your condescending BS.
I'm really questioning if this guy is actually a Gamecock fan after seeing his posts after he joined the board a few weeks ago.
My friend you are taught from beginner football in the event of a play resulting in a change of possession to put the qb on the ground. He learned that long before Beamer.
Wait, what?
Read the NCAA’s updated horse-collar tackle rule
Tacklers no longer have to reach inside the jersey to get flagged for a personal foul.
www.sbnation.com
For all of its existence, the rule has made it a penalty to reach inside the back of player’s jersey and yank him to the ground. Now, players also aren’t allowed to grab the outside of the jersey and pull the player down. The foul doesn’t require the tackler’s hand to slide inside the jersey and onto the bare shoulder pads of his opponent.
Wait, what?
Read the NCAA’s updated horse-collar tackle rule
Tacklers no longer have to reach inside the jersey to get flagged for a personal foul.
For all of its existence, the rule has made it a penalty to reach inside the back of player’s jersey and yank him to the ground. Now, players also aren’t allowed to grab the outside of the jersey and pull the player down. The foul doesn’t require the tackler’s hand to slide inside the jersey and onto the bare shoulder pads of his opponent.
So, if you grab a runner's hanging jersey who is running by you at the bottom to pull him back for the tackle, it is a penalty?
Can't push the QB, can't grab the jersey at all - next thing you know defenders will be required to have their hands wrapped in tape like useless nubs. Football is becoming sissified.
From the link:
There, the defender reaches inside the runner’s uniform. That’s still a foul. But starting this season, it’s also a foul if he grabs the runner around the nameplate and hauls him down that way. That’s what the rule means by including “the area.”
I'm no expert, but it sounds like they mean a jersey grab up by the shoulder area.
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