Beamer looking to find balance on offense

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The first line of this article has to be the biggest understatement of all time: "Early on this season, South Carolina’s offense has struggled to find balance."

lol, so far this season we have 1,072 yards passing and 159 yards rushing. That's 87% passing, 13% rushing. We are last (dead last of 133 teams nationally) in rushing offense. We are 20th in passing offense.

If I'm a coach, balance is out the window. You're not finding any way to balance this offense. If you're talking maybe a 65%/35% disparity, ok let's look at ways to get more balance. But with an 87%/13% disparity, balance just ain't happening. They just need to be looking for any way to get some positive production from the run game. Any way whatsoever.

 

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At this point, all we are looking for is a running game ''distraction'' of any kind to get the attention of the defense!
 
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If I'm a coach, balance is out the window. You're not finding any way to balance this offense. If you're talking maybe a 65%/35% disparity, ok let's look at ways to get more balance. But with an 87%/13% disparity, balance just ain't happening. They just need to be looking for any way to get some positive production from the run game. Any way whatsoever.



Agreed. You can cause problems trying to force balance when it's not there naturally.

Adjust to the talent you have. Perhaps something along the lines of incorporationg Leach's offensive play calling. (I see the irony of the timing)

But that is a big change to be implementing mid season. This should have been recognized and worked in in spring and fall.

It makes me wonder, did the staff really not see this coming down the road?
 

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Let's give Anderson the ball at least 10 times Saturday. May not be able to balance the offense but he can likely add the distraction Prestonyte referenced.
 

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It makes me wonder, did the staff really not see this coming down the road?

I'm still waiting on someone to ask this question. "Did the staff know going into the season that the run game was going to non-productive?"

It'd be one thing if it just wasn't as good as they thought. But how do you not have a clue when you have, literally, the worst rushing offense in the nation?

It concerns me. It would make me feel better if Beamer said "Yeah, we know it was going to be rough. We weren't sure how rough, but, yeah, we knew. I guess we were hoping it would just turn out better on gamedays." It does not make me feel good when he continues to feign confidence in the run game. It's one thing to not be able to fix it. It's considerably worse to not even know there was a problem.
 
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Adjust to the talent you have. Perhaps something along the lines of incorporationg Leach's offensive play calling. (I see the irony of the timing)

With Wells being a non-factor, is it questionable that we have the WR to do that?

Man, Rattler is dealing this year but have no run game and limited WR options. If we could line Legette and Wells up, that would be fantastic.
 

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With Wells being a non-factor, is it questionable that we have the WR to do that?

Man, Rattler is dealing this year but have no run game and limited WR options. If we could line Legette and Wells up, that would be fantastic.
Harbor on a post or fly route should draw some defensive attention and open things up for other WR's.
 

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With Wells being a non-factor, is it questionable that we have the WR to do that?

Man, Rattler is dealing this year but have no run game and limited WR options. If we could line Legette and Wells up, that would be fantastic.

Agreed. And admittedly, this is armchair quarterbacking.

But I think of it like this. We know run blocking is a weakness, and we don't seem to have a quality rb, at least not one the staff is willing to put out there.

We have a qb playing lights out, and some athletes at receiver.

If I had to play to my strengths, it would be pass heavy, VERY pass heavy.
 

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Agreed. And admittedly, this is armchair quarterbacking.

But I think of it like this. We know run blocking is a weakness, and we don't seem to have a quality rb, at least not one the staff is willing to put out there.

We have a qb playing lights out, and some athletes at receiver.

If I had to play to my strengths, it would be pass heavy, VERY pass heavy.

That's my thought as well.

Quit wasting time trying to find something that's not there. What we know we have is a QB who can sling it. Go with that. Greatest Show on Turf. Go 5 wide every time and stretch the defense.
 

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That's my thought as well.

Quit wasting time trying to find something that's not there. What we know we have is a QB who can sling it. Go with that. Greatest Show on Turf. Go 5 wide every time and stretch the defense.

Maybe use the RB on draws and screens.

I hate to abandon a large point of any offense, there's always the thought of "keeping them honest". But other than catching them off guard with runs, we should play to our strength. Imo
 
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Offense don’t need to be 50/50 with passing and rushing for it to be balance. Have to take what the defense is giving us, which with us running rpos I can see that happening. We didn’t lose that UGA or UNC game because we couldn’t run the ball though.
 

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Offense don’t need to be 50/50 with passing and rushing for it to be balance. Have to take what the defense is giving us, which with us running rpos I can see that happening. We didn’t lose that UGA or UNC game because we couldn’t run the ball though.

I would say running for -2 yards against UNC likely factored in the loss.
 

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I skimmed the comments. I agree that you should not force players to do what they can't. If you can't run block, you can't. I don't know enough to say the coaches should do this or that. I know little and claim less. BUT, there must be things that can be done for Beamer to say that.

I do not want to see QB runs as a staple in the offense, Too risky. That does not mean don't utilize QB runs. Just don't make them a habit.
 
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I’m sure the 9 sacks had to do with the -2 yards rushing more than our capability.

I get what you're saying about the sacks impacting the rushing stats. But our inability to run had to ha e influenced the game, and not in our favor.

I also agree that you don't need to be 50/50 in yards or play calls to be "balanced". But you need to be able to do both reasonably well.
 
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I wonder where we rank against all cfb playing schools in all divisions?

The head scratcher is that we certainly are not a run to open up the field. But Rattler has played pretty well. Good enough where you’d like to think they’d have to respect the pass enough for us to bang out a few decent runs. Still ain’t happening.
 

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If running the ball can open up the passing game, why can’t the passing game open up the run?
 

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They're going to have to make a decision. If you want balance then you bite the bullet and run Mario and just deal with whatever mistakes happen in pass pro. Otherwise, we're only going to win if Rattler throws for 350 and 3 TDs, with DK in there to just block. We have depth issues at WR. Just go 12 personnel with one of the TEs lined up in the backfield with Mario occasionally. Then just have X and a revolving door for the other WR position.
 
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They're going to have to make a decision. If you want balance then you bite the bullet and run Mario and just deal with whatever mistakes happen in pass pro. Otherwise, we're only going to win if Rattler throws for 350 and 3 TDs, with DK in there to just block. We have depth issues at WR. Just go 12 personnel with one of the TEs lined up in the backfield with Mario occasionally. Then just have X and a revolving door for the other WR position.

Yes. Before you can even start to think about balance, you have to get production. That needs to be their #1 goal.

They could go with a 2-back set, keeping Joyner in for pass protection. Obviously have to sacrifice a receiver, but something somewhere has to give.
 

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Well, I won’t say we were balanced on offense, but it was a 67%/37% split to favor the pass tonight, which is a phenomenal improvement over the 90%10% split it had been.
 
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Either other teams can figure out our snap count or we offer no push up front. It seems there were a lot of wasted plays on 1 yard runs-ugh. Same ole same ole. Not clear why run blocking is that challenging. We have big guys, only rationale is they just aren't quick enough.
 

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And is our punter using a different foot than last year. HE was consistently booming 60 yarders. This year he is hitting 40 yarders. What is up?
 

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Either other teams can figure out our snap count or we offer no push up front. It seems there were a lot of wasted plays on 1 yard runs-ugh. Same ole same ole. Not clear why run blocking is that challenging. We have big guys, only rationale is they just aren't quick enough.
They’re on the soft side. They can take a punch better than they can give one. With the freshmen we have and the ‘24 guys we have coming in we’re correcting that. It’s improved since Tree and Tro have been playing. If Markee wasn’t hurt we’d have 3 true freshmen starting on the OL.
 

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Well, I won’t say we were balanced on offense, but it was a 67%/37% split to favor the pass tonight, which is a phenomenal improvement over the 90%10% split it had been.
We ran it 47 times to 20 pass attempts. I think you might be looking at MSU's stats.
 

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If running the ball can open up the passing game, why can’t the passing game open up the run?
This is the answer. Period. We CAN throw and catch. Do that and the rest will follow. Play the freshman now. Our best player is our quarterback. Let him play.
 
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I'm still waiting on someone to ask this question. "Did the staff know going into the season that the run game was going to non-productive?"

It'd be one thing if it just wasn't as good as they thought. But how do you not have a clue when you have, literally, the worst rushing offense in the nation?

It concerns me. It would make me feel better if Beamer said "Yeah, we know it was going to be rough. We weren't sure how rough, but, yeah, we knew. I guess we were hoping it would just turn out better on gamedays." It does not make me feel good when he continues to feign confidence in the run game. It's one thing to not be able to fix it. It's considerably worse to not even know there was a problem.
I'm encouraged from last week, I think we're working out the kinks on the Oline and in this conference you have to keep trying to run whether it's working or not! I wouldn't expect Beamer to come out pre-season and say "we have zero run game" he had to at least see it vs, live bullets and the proof is seen on the field and it needs to continue to get better starting this week!