Beamer vents on D

18IsTheMan

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This doesn’t sound good for White. This is as close as I can recall's him coming to calling a coach out.

 
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I didn't see him coming close to calling any coach out but he did a terrific job of throwing his players under the bus. He's gonna lose the team and they'll stop playing for him.
 

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He just said what I saw! A bunch of weak coverages and arm tackles and that gets you beat!
Who's supposed to teach coverage and tackling? Somebody didn't have their team adequately prepared. For reference, see our florida game earlier this season.
 
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Is jamming the receiver at the line of scrimmage still legal? If so then why do we give receivers so much cushion?
 

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Remember, he never told us how bad the offense was under Satterfield or threw him under the bus. He dealt with it behind the scenes and then made it public change would be made at the end of the year.
 

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Bc we don’t trust the CBs. We don’t have Cam Smith or Darius Rush anymore.
Our CB's act like they are afraid to get beat deep and then they get beat anyway because their backs are to the incoming pass and they never see it coming.
 

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I hear what you guys are saying, I just can't believe they have not been coached adnauseam how to tackle and how to cover, I had no formal training past Pop Warner to tackle and cover, but I did it pretty well at that level. A lot of it is technique, positioning and want to, I guaranty the technique and positioning have been taught and that only leaves the want to and that is on the player!
 

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I hear what you guys are saying, I just can't believe they have not been coached adnauseam how to tackle and how to cover, I had no formal training past Pop Warner to tackle and cover, but I did it pretty well at that level. A lot of it is technique, positioning and want to, I guaranty the technique and positioning have been taught and that only leaves the want to and that is on the player!
I agree about "want to" and if you have players who don't have it sit them on the bench. There are a lot of players who would love to be able to show want to.
 
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It is a drill that’s done every day in practice leading up to the season. They are ‘coached’, trust me, same as a shortstop is ‘coached’ to field a ground ball. After that it’s up to you to make the friggin play. You are ‘coached’ technique; how to move your hips and position your body to defend. You don’t ‘coach’ a defender to CATCH THE FRIGGIN BALL when he has a chance at a pick; you don’t ‘coach’ a defender to MAKE THE TACKLE. It’s up to the player to execute; to make the play. That’s what football is; making the play, same as any sport.
 
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Just as Satt's offense was overcomplicated and confused the players, maybe the same is happening with White's defense as they are constantly out of position and ''thinking too much'' instead of making plays.
 

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It is a drill that’s done every day in practice leading up to the season. They are ‘coached’, trust me, same as a shortstop is ‘coached’ to field a ground ball. After that it’s up to you to make the friggin play. You are ‘coached’ technique; how to move your hips and position your body to defend. You don’t ‘coach’ a defender to CATCH THE FRIGGIN BALL when he has a chance at a pick; you don’t ‘coach’ a defender to MAKE THE TACKLE. It’s up to the player to execute; to make the play. That’s what football is; making the play, same as any sport.

When a defense is as bad as ours is, it falls on the coach. Good coaches get players to execute.
 

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When a defense is as bad as ours is, it falls on the coach. Good coaches get players to execute.
False. Players can be put in better positions to be marginally more effective, but beyond that at this level ‘coaching’ is at the mercy of ability and desire. That’s where recruiting, now known as NIL deals, comes into play.
 
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False. Players can be put in better positions to be marginally more effective, but beyond that at this level ‘coaching’ is at the mercy of ability and desire. That’s where recruiting, now known as NIL deals, comes into play.

False. Good coaches instill desire and unlock a player's ability.

When an entire unit suffers from the same bad habits and tendencies, it's coaching.
 
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False. Good coaches instill desire and unlock a player's ability.

When an entire unit suffers from the same bad habits and tendencies, it's coaching.
I think it's a little of both. I am one of the few that thinks we have talent to win on defense. I don't think it's a talent or desire issue on defense. Do we need some incremental talent? Certainly, but putting the current talent in the right positions with the right mindset would have netted us a win Saturday.
 

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I don't think so. I think he just sounds pissed about poor defensive coaching and execution.
Agree. Can you imagine if he just acted like he didn't care or wasn't pissed about it?? People read way too much into these things. We lost a huge game we should have won, and he's pissed about it. Get over it.
 

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False. Good coaches instill desire and unlock a player's ability.

When an entire unit suffers from the same bad habits and tendencies, it's coaching.
Nope.

Start of 4th quarter…No. 6 missed tackle on 4th and 11 and 10 yards short of the sticks, literally five feet away from the guy when he got the ball…coaching? Never been ‘coached’ how to tackle?

Nine minutes left right after our last score…

Bad snap on extra point…coaching?

Floridas FIRST PLAY after that, what should have been a pick RIGHT IN THE BREADBASKET of our friend no. 6 again…coaching?

Nope. Make ANY of those plays and we’re likely not having this convo.

When you hit this level it’s about making plays. Period.

Their guy was not ‘coached’ to make no. 6 miss that fundamental, gimme tackle.
 

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I think it's a little of both. I am one of the few that thinks we have talent to win on defense. I don't think it's a talent or desire issue on defense. Do we need some incremental talent? Certainly, but putting the current talent in the right positions with the right mindset would have netted us a win Saturday.
I'm with you. The talent level is there to be MUCH better than we are...very similar to the O last year. But when the issues are so widespread, it's hard to blame that all on the players. At the end of the day, the coaches are either bad talent evaluators or bad developers of talent. Think about this....we had them on a 4th and 11 in the 4th qtr up 10 with about 7 minutes left in the game. They were 100% comfortable throwing the ball 2 yards behind the LOS to a WR and was isolated on Dial. They were just fine turning a 4th and 11 into a 4th and 13.
 

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Nope.

Start of 4th quarter…No. 6 missed tackle on 4th and 11 and 10 yards short of the sticks, literally five feet away from the guy when he got the ball…coaching? Never been ‘coached’ how to tackle?

Nine minutes left right after our last score…

Bad snap on extra point…coaching?

Floridas FIRST PLAY after that, what should have been a pick RIGHT IN THE BREADBASKET of our friend no. 6 again…coaching?

Nope. Make ANY of those plays and we’re likely not having this convo.

When you hit this level it’s about making plays. Period.

Their guy was not ‘coached’ to make no. 6 miss that fundamental, gimme tackle.
Nick E playing one on one against their best receiver on many snaps including crucial plays at the end of the game. 100% coaching. You can't put this on a safety that is better suited for LB than corner.
 
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I'm with you. The talent level is there to be MUCH better than we are...very similar to the O last year. But when the issues are so widespread, it's hard to blame that all on the players. At the end of the day, the coaches are either bad talent evaluators or bad developers of talent. Think about this....we had them on a 4th and 11 in the 4th qtr up 10 with about 7 minutes left in the game. They were 100% comfortable throwing the ball 2 yards behind the LOS to a WR and was isolated on Dial. They were just fine turning a 4th and 11 into a 4th and 13.

That was a historically bad play for our defense. It's hard to put into words how bad it was.
 

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Nope.

Start of 4th quarter…No. 6 missed tackle on 4th and 11 and 10 yards short of the sticks, literally five feet away from the guy when he got the ball…coaching? Never been ‘coached’ how to tackle?

Nine minutes left right after our last score…

Bad snap on extra point…coaching?

Floridas FIRST PLAY after that, what should have been a pick RIGHT IN THE BREADBASKET of our friend no. 6 again…coaching?

Nope. Make ANY of those plays and we’re likely not having this convo.

When you hit this level it’s about making plays. Period.

Their guy was not ‘coached’ to make no. 6 miss that fundamental, gimme tackle.
There a difference in teaching and coaching. No doubt they're taught the correct things. But it's not getting to the field. This defense sucks, and it's progressively gotten worse at a time when it should be getting better. Just like Muschamp's D here, our bad defense was masked early on with getting turnovers. We're not getting turnovers now and the warts are on full display. This was a bad UF offense until we showed up, just like MSU.

Clayton White gets paid $1.1M/yr to make sure these things don't happen. I my employees consistently suck, I'm getting fired. He should be no different. I really don't care what the reason is. They suck.
 

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There a difference in teaching and coaching. No doubt they're taught the correct things. But it's not getting to the field. This defense sucks, and it's progressively gotten worse at a time when it should be getting better. Just like Muschamp's D here, our bad defense was masked early on with getting turnovers. We're not getting turnovers now and the warts are on full display. This was a bad UF offense until we showed up, just like MSU.

Clayton White gets paid $1.1M/yr to make sure these things don't happen. I my employees consistently suck, I'm getting fired. He should be no different. I really don't care what the reason is. They suck.

Right. White gets paid big-time money to make sure the defense executes. When problems are systemic, leadership is to blame.
 

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Yes, it was terrible. But the thing that struck me was their confidence in it, given if they don't convert they lose.

True. It doesn't seem they even flinched. Simply unfathomable they converted that. It was a horrible play by Dial and there was zero help after he blew it.
 

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True. It doesn't seem they even flinched. Simply unfathomable they converted that. It was a horrible play by Dial and there was zero help after he blew it.
Yep. If we make that stop they're trying to run Billy out of Gainesville.
 

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Instead of adding to our list of fired coaches - we saved Napier's job lol

The bad news for UF is their next 5 games include UGA, LSU, Mizzou and FSU. They likely get to 6 wins since they also play Arkansas, who is as bad as we are, but the UF faithful will be pretty unhappy with a 1-4 finish to the season.
 

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I didn't see him coming close to calling any coach out but he did a terrific job of throwing his players under the bus. He's gonna lose the team and they'll stop playing for him.
LULZ....Milton gonna hit the portal b/c Bobby "threw him under the bus"??

Bobby Hill on Milton after the A&M game:
“The decision in the red zone? Just can’t make that one. That was a critical error by him,” Heupel said. “Sometimes that happens at quarterback – we don’t want it to happen anymore.”